Avoir PremierBet Casino - bait & switch terms and unfair Baccarat

[KravdraaYvoorg]

I signed up there yesterday, claimed their welcome bonus after reading their rules which stated that no games were excluded (see attached screenshot). I started playing multi-hand blackjack and about 500 hands in, I went back to the website to re-read the rules and oh surprise! they were changed to exclude blackjack, roulette and craps.

Not that big of deal, I guess, I'll just switch to Baccarat. I had the good instinct of trying the game in play mode first, betting 100 pounds on the banker every hand. After a while, there is a tied hand and to my amazement, my bet is taken away! Anyone ever heard of a ties-lose Baccarat? I haven't!

I need no further proof that these guys are clowns. Their big 300GBP welcome bonus seemed too good to be true, and it turned out to be just that.

Anybody from the UK know them? Are they a big company? What's their reputation like?

[Rettahs]

If you didn't bet Tie then yes you loose. Tie is a seperate bet in baccarat. There are three bets that can be made. Dealer, Player, or Tie. A Tie in baccarat is not a Push.

[KravdraaYvoorg]

It *is* a push! It most definitely is, otherwise the game has a 10% house advantage!

It is a separate bet indeed, but when you play on banker or player, a tie is always a push. Try it on any reputable software (MG, Playtech, Boss, RTG, whichever)

Ties-lose Baccarat is not Baccarat at all.

[Macgyver]

Check their "How to play" rules and it's in there:

Baccarat Help menu
How to play

Winning or losing the game

If the bet has been placed on the player and the player has a greater score than
the banker then you win and will be paid evens.

If the bet has been placed on a tie and both scores are equal then you win and
will be paid 8:1.

If the bet has been placed on the banker and the banker has a greater score than
the player then you win and will be paid 19:20 (5% commission).

All other bets you immediately lose the game, plus your bet.

[KravdraaYvoorg]

I know, I read the rules right after I experienced that "interesting" variation on the game of Baccarat.

It's just not a fair game and it shouldn't be called Baccarat. With ties losing it becomes one of the worst bets in the casino, even worse than most slots.

[chuchu59]

Originally Posted by KravdraaYvoorg

It *is* a push! It most definitely is, otherwise the game has a 10% house advantage!

It is a separate bet indeed, but when you play on banker or player, a tie is always a push. Try it on any reputable software (MG, Playtech, Boss, RTG, whichever)

Ties-lose Baccarat is not Baccarat at all.

You are correct. Unless they have other rules which are unheard of anywhere else, its always a push when you bet on banker/player and the outcome is a tie.

[henryVIII]

Yep, the Wiz says baccarat has a HA of around 1.5%. Clearly if a push is a loss then this is a different game altogether.

[spearmaster]

After further consideration I realize that a tie means NO result on player or banker bets.

[thelawnet]

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[mamgamb]

Bacarac isnt the only broken game here, craps pass/dont pass bet also paywrongly when a 4 or 10 have been rolled.