KING NEPTUNES Is Withholding My Winnings!

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by Vesuvio

There's no need to ask, Spear, as regular players know how these casinos work. Note I've even done what you're on about - played roulette, got a big balance and then met the wr with games that count - and been paid no problem.

No-one's arguing with you for the hell of it; you're just showing staggering perseverance in claiming something we all know to be untrue. It looks a bit silly.

Pardon my ignorance - but are you saying that regular players take bonuses and play restricted games?

Something just does not add up here. Maybe you've done it - but I fail to see how "regular" players can all be doing this.

[rreevy]

Good point about the expectation on slots bonuses, Vesuvio. I have a follow-up question which I'll send as a private message since it's not really relevant to this particular thread. In fact, I apologise if I've side-tracked this thread at all by getting into a general discussion about bonus abuse, rather than the specifics of this player's case.

Still, the roulette abuse strategy discussed does dramatically increase the long-run profitability of such bonuses, so maybe this is relevant somehow to the question of building up a big balance on Deuces Wild.

In principle, I'd be happy to accept Spear's challenge, but it could easily be several months before I increase my balance fivefold with the monthly bonus. Will we still be discussing this then?

The KN term clearly does give the right to void winnings, whereas in my view Intercasino's does not. I will contact them on this point, asking for permission to post the reply on this forum.

"WTF were you thinking? Of course we confiscate winnings derived from play on non-permitted games..."

Spear, if KN are willing to say in their T&Cs quite clearly that there is a risk of winnings on excluded games being confiscated, why should Intercasino be unhappy to say so in an e-mail? Also, would they say there is no risk of this happening, knowing it would be posted in a public forum, if this was not the case?

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

Pardon my ignorance - but are you saying that regular players take bonuses and play restricted games?

Something just does not add up here. Maybe you've done it - but I fail to see how "regular" players can all be doing this.

Did I say anything about "all" players - it's just common knowledge how the bonus system works at Cryptologic casinos. You can play anything but the restricted games don't count. It's also normal at most reputable casinos. I can't believe you've missed it - when I started playing on-line I'd meet the wr and then fiddle around with any other casino games I felt like. Naive? Perhaps, but there was never a problem.

I think you'll find quite a lot of "regular" players have tried out roulette and craps at the Cryptos, seeing as they're the most popular casino games. I don't know any bonus hunters who play them to "build up a balance" as there are much better games that also count to the wr.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by Vesuvio

Did I say anything about "all" players - it's just common knowledge how the bonus system works at Cryptologic casinos. You can play anything but the restricted games don't count. It's also normal at most reputable casinos. I can't believe you've missed it - when I started playing on-line I'd meet the wr and then fiddle around with any other casino games I felt like. Naive? Perhaps, but there was never a problem.

Is it me or did you just describe something entirely different from what I have been saying?

If you meet the PT and THEN play restricted games there should NOT be a problem.

If you play restricted games and THEN meet the PT it is a completely different situation.

Furthermore, I said "regular", not all - I did not misquote you.

I think you'll find quite a lot of "regular" players have tried out roulette and craps at the Cryptos, seeing as they're the most popular casino games. I don't know any bonus hunters who play them to "build up a balance" as there are much better games that also count to the wr.

What you're telling me is an entirely different scenario than what I have been describing all along - so now we're comparing apples and oranges... wtf...

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

Furthermore, I said "regular", not all - I did not misquote you.

You said: I fail to see how "regular" players can all be doing this

Rest assured it's fine to play "disallowed" games first and then meet the wr at Intercasino. If they dislike your approach they can ban you from future bonuses. I've never heard a single case of confiscation of winnnings there. Have you?

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by Vesuvio

Rest assured it's fine to play "disallowed" games first and then meet the wr at Intercasino. If they dislike your approach they can ban you from future bonuses. I've never heard a single case of confiscation of winnnings there. Have you?

You have missed the point entirely. Your case scenario does not even realistically match what we have been talking about all along. There is a BIG difference between playing disallowed games and then going on to meet playthrough, as opposed to meeting playthrough and THEN playing disallowed games - which, btw, are no longer disallowed games since you met the playthrough... so excuse me if I say WTF again...

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

You have missed the point entirely. Your case scenario does not even realistically match what we have been talking about all along. There is a BIG difference between playing disallowed games and then going on to meet playthrough, as opposed to meeting playthrough and THEN playing disallowed games

Actually in the only "case scenario" I gave you I played roulette first, won £936 and then met the wr on allowed games. You ignored the fact Intercasino don't confiscate winnings, however you play (they ban you from future bonuses) - ergo there's no problem playing disallowed games first.

Originally Posted by spearmaster

- which, btw, are no longer disallowed games since you met the playthrough... so excuse me if I say WTF again...

Now that is something it really would be worth checking with King Neptune! If you did that at a lot of the Playtechs and RTG casinos with confiscation terms you'd forfeit your winnings, despite having met the wagering requirements first.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by Vesuvio

Actually in the only "case scenario" I gave you I played roulette first, won £936 and then met the wr on allowed games. You ignored the fact Intercasino don't confiscate winnings, however you play (they ban you from future bonuses) - ergo there's no problem playing disallowed games first.

You said you met the WR and then played roulette. Now you're saying you played roulette and then met the WR.

Which is it?

Now that is something it really would be worth checking with King Neptune! If you did that at a lot of the Playtechs and RTG casinos with confiscation terms you'd forfeit your winnings, despite having met the wagering requirements first.

King Neptune's is not a Playtech or a RTG - not even close. There would have been zero reason for Micki to confiscate the winnings if the WR had been met prior to any play on formerly restricted games. Why do you think she even bothered to check the actual play in the FIRST place?

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

You said you met the WR and then played roulette. Now you're saying you played roulette and then met the WR.

Which is it?

Go back and read, Spear. I've said the same thing 3 times.

Originally Posted by spearmaster

Why do you think she even bothered to check the actual play in the FIRST place?

To defend the casino's actions.

[Let_It_Ride]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

I could swear this whole thing is about "argue with Spear no matter what" rather than "interpretation of terms and conditions".

it takes two to tango my friend