Joyland Casino

**poser** · 3rd February 2008, 08:22 AM

Hey,

I see that Joyland Casino is still in the rogue section.

I read (some of the) the posts of this "Joyless situation", but what was the outcoming of that thing (it's years old now).

I ask, because Joyland is in this big group of casinos with EuroGrand, CD Poker, 32 Vegas, Skykings,.. (or is this no real group, just a loose connection ? (Affiliates United, Pays.com ?)

I had many cashouts there and never had a problem.

Was I just lucky ?

**aksana** · 3rd February 2008, 02:38 PM

Joyland still have no license. As they say that they are licensed in Kahnawake, but I can't find them in Permit holders on the official site of Kahnawake.

**SlotsWizard** · 3rd February 2008, 02:43 PM

Aksana is correct - they are pretending to be licensed when in fact they are not.

To answer the other part of your question, all of those other sites are crap too. And yes, you were just lucky. The house edge and variance are enough of a gamble. Don't compound the difficulty of winning by playing at a place where it is another gamble as to whether or not they will pay you.

**poser** · 13th February 2008, 10:45 PM

But why does Kahnawake nothing against them, if they have their sign BIG on their websites ?

**poser** · 13th February 2008, 11:02 PM

Hey,

I just looked to Kahnawake:

THEY HAVE permission !!! Joyland, EuroGrand....

@ just look before you post !!!!!!!!!!!

poser

**SlotsWizard** · 13th February 2008, 11:08 PM

They never used to be licensed.

After some digging using the Internet Archive, the first time they appeared in Kahnawake's list of permit holders was in the November 14, 2006 update. They aren't listed in the November 8, 2006 or earlier versions.

Keep in mind that this place ran an unlicensed operation for several years before finally deciding to become licensed. That speaks volumes about their trustworthiness.

**GrandMaster** · 13th February 2008, 11:46 PM

A Kahnawake licence does not change my opinion of an operations trustworthiness or otherwise. We all know how much it means in terms of player protection.

**poser** · 15th February 2008, 10:44 PM

Go to Kahnawake page. They are listed now. Along with all other of this group.

I can't be sure that they are ok. But I was always paid (bigger amounts too, always with bonus or in Poker) by severel of them. They have a valid license, so...

**poser** · 15th February 2008, 10:49 PM

Can't it be the case, that all this was before they was purchased by this group (EuroGrand..) ?

I remember mails of Joyland, stating they got a totally new management.

**pokeraddict** · 15th February 2008, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by GrandMaster

A Kahnawake licence does not change my opinion of an operations trustworthiness or otherwise. We all know how much it means in terms of player protection.

The Absolute Poker fraud recently is great proof of this.