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Progressive Your progressive slots strategy

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by GoldenFox, May 29, 2015.

    May 29, 2015
  1. GoldenFox

    GoldenFox Dormant account

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    Hi guys,

    Since I enjoy playing progressive slots and am always looking for ways to optimize my winning chances, I wanted to hear how some of you guys play.

    Do you have any strategy you follow to optimize your play, increase winning chances and be able to get more fun for the money?

    I like myself to keep an eye on the RTP (return to player) of the slot machines and then try to go with the ones with higher RTP and also a high current jackpot. Any of you doing something similar?
     
  2. May 29, 2015
  3. Batman

    Batman The Dark Knight MM

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    Yup,

    The strategy is there is no strategy when it comes to Casinos in general.

    The only advice I would give you would be to stick to the accredited casinos and play them without a bonus in your balance.
     
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  4. May 29, 2015
  5. GoldenFox

    GoldenFox Dormant account

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    Thanks Batman.

    By "strategy" I mostly meant how you would normally approach it:
    • How do you normally select the (progressive) slot to play?
    • Do you care much about the RTP of the slots?
    • How do you judge whether a progressive jackpot is "hot" and likely to soon be paid?
     
  6. May 29, 2015
  7. sigothx1

    sigothx1 Experienced Member

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    i avoid them at all costs unless ive won a substantial amount and dont mind giving away a few £ to the casino, progressives are designed in nature to not pay much because theirs always that micro chance you could hit a miracle, id prefer to play something else.
     
  8. May 29, 2015
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I very rarely play Progressive slots because I know the chances of winning are literally millions, and in some cases, billions to 1 against getting the Big Jackpot.

    If I were to play, I would aim for the lower jackpots - the ones which hit more frequently.
    There are several good websites which give this sort of info, for example JackpotGraphs.com

    I would say the RTP (of the base game) is VERY important; since your chances of winning are minuscule, you'd want to get the most play-time for your money as possible to maximise your extremely remote chances.

    There is NO WAY to predict when a Jackpot might go off on most slots - it's 100% random.
    I think I've heard of a few games where they have a max limit (e.g. the jackpot WILL hit by $X,XXX,XXX) - but off the top of my head I can't name any.

    Whatever you do, do not spend money you can't afford chasing a progressive - your chances really are extremely remote.

    Good luck!
    KK
     
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  10. May 29, 2015
  11. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I too avoid progressive slots because the RTP in the base game is lower to compensate and as KK points out, the chances of hitting the jackpot are millions to 1.

    However when I play ordinary slots, I work in "50s". I spin 50 times at a modest bet and if I don't hit a feature, I move the bet up a bit for another 50. Etc. When I hit the feature I either do one of two things. If it was a poor return, I reduce the bet and start over. If it was a big return I do some big bets to try and "go for it". It's like a modified "Martingale" strategy with smaller increments.

    For the record and I am sure you may already know this (and if by "optimize" you mean "increase" your chances of winning), nothing you do will ever increase your chances of winning on a game of luck except on games where it specifically says you can do something to influence that (IE: using Aristocrat or Playtech's "Xtra Win" feature). On some older progresives, you have to bet max coins to hit the jackpot so that qualifies too obviously, where still applicable.
     
  12. May 29, 2015
  13. Batman

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    [*] How do you normally select the (progressive) slot to play? - Playing MG casinos atm, stopped playing with Playtech / Netent - just taking a break from their slots.

    [*] Do you care much about the RTP of the slots? - When I do play Progressive slots, I steer clear from TDK, prefer Mega Moolah

    [*] How do you judge whether a progressive jackpot is "hot" and likely to soon be paid?- It's all random, or at least that's what I keep telling myself. I become paranoid regarding the randomness as more and more SV or NO players are announced as big winners (10 million quids would be for them 10 million SEK = 10 000 000 Swedish kronor = 772 195 British pounds, at the moment), not only on MG but on other operators also.


    Hope it helps and doesn't turn you into a paranoid gambler like me :))
     
  14. Jun 1, 2015
  15. GoldenFox

    GoldenFox Dormant account

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    Thanks for the really interesting input guys!

    I think this is a really good point, KasinoKing.

    I have looked into some data during the weekend, and found some examples of RTP numbers and the jackpot contribution per bet for some progressive slots:

    Mega Fortune: 96.60% (5.39% jackpot contribution)
    Queen of the Pyramids: 94.97% (1.00% jackpot contribution)
    Beach Life: 93.25% (3.00% jackpot contribution)

    With these numbers I did some simplified calculations to try and figure out the current theoretical payout percentage based on the average jackpot size and the current jackpot size. My current numbers:

    Mega Fortune: 91.6%
    Queen of the Pyramids: 96.2%
    Beach Life: 99.3%

    E.g. the Beach Life jackpot is currently at $5.252.000, and is hit on average at $1.770.000, so it makes good sense that the current payout is currently quite a lot higher.

    Do you think I am on track with something here? I know that this gives the theoretical payout, and that you still need to be extremely lucky to actually hit the jackpot. But still, this would increase your chances of winning some money in my opinion.

    Would any of you base you play on some numbers like these?
     
  16. Jun 2, 2015
  17. GoldenFox

    GoldenFox Dormant account

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    Any thoughts on this guys?

    With my calculations the Beach Life slot is now up at 99.4%.
     
  18. Jun 2, 2015
  19. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    The only PJP I played / play are MG's Lord of the Rings and its replacement The Dark Knight.

    When I do play them it because I enjoy the base game not chasing the JP.

    I set myself on a low bets size (0.30p, 0.60p) depending on balance at the time and will loosely count 40-50 spins.
    If after those spins are completed I am 'level...ish' I will repeat the process, if not, close game and move back to a 'normal' slot.

    This 'technique' has no advantage other than stopping me 'blowing the lot' chasing something which really just 'not gonna happen'

    However it has netted me 4 x £100+ 'Silver JP's on LOTR and 2 x £100+ JP's on TDK, along with a handful of 'Bronze Awards'
     
  20. Jun 3, 2015
  21. Thunderluck

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    Best strategy is to move to a nordic country

    (or not to play them)

    If I wan't a million £ payout I'll play the lottery, at least then I know I'll get paid.
     
  22. Jun 3, 2015
  23. dreamguardian1

    dreamguardian1 Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

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    I with KK on this on. I have hit a jackpot only twice in my 4 years of online gambling and my 2 years of being on Casinomeister. Both of them were for very small amounts because someone had already won the big jackpots (that pissed me off even more to finally hit jackpots to get shit and shinola for hitting the jackpots) and one of those was on Bovada.

    That said, rarely do i play any progressives UNLESS, the bet is equal to what i normally bet on regular slots and I have the chance of winning fairly well on line items. I can count on one hand the number of progressive slots that I play across 3 us allowed casinos.
     
  24. Jun 3, 2015
  25. GoldenFox

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    That is exactly the reason why you should only play at those progressive jackpots, where the jackpot is really high compared to the average jackpot amount :)

    At this moment e.g. the Beach Life slot is up to currently $5,262,235 compared to its average jackpot of $1,770,031, which gives an RTP of really close to 100% according to my calculations... Don't you agree with me that it would be worth it giving that one a go?
     
  26. Jun 6, 2015
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    A higher than average JP does make the game theoretically +EV - but of course, that is totally useless to everyone except the lucky player who actually wins it!

    Is it worth having a go? Well let's put it this way - if you don't buy a ticket you are NEVER going to win the lottery!
    Just make sure you only "buy tickets" that you can afford to be losers.

    KK
    (PS: Sorry for my delayed reply - I was away on holiday last week).
     
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  28. Jun 9, 2015
  29. Zabier

    Zabier Experienced Member

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    I'm a reasonably superstitious person when things are going against me but then not superstitious when things are going for me so my strategy depends on my last spin and its outcome. As they say in football, you're only as good as your last performance. So if I've hit a decent win on a slot I'll stick with it. If I strike out then it only gets three more spins. I know that's not very committed but I feel uncomfortable if I keep pressing "spin" and not winning on the same slot.
     
  30. Jun 9, 2015
  31. byhc

    byhc Dormant account

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    The higher the progressive jackpot, the more people that's playing on it. This has nothing to do with the RTP on the machine etc, it's just that you have more people playing the same slots.
     
  32. Jun 9, 2015
  33. sigothx1

    sigothx1 Experienced Member

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    This doesn't happen often but im afraid i disagree with your logic on this one KK.

    if the jackpot was 100 million, or 1 pence total, how is it affecting my +ev, the chances to hit it are the same, the total does not make that change. With a progressive in general the total of the grand prize does not increase the EV, it increases the amount won, so if i did 100,000 spins on a slot with an RTP of 95% with a 1 pence jackpot, and a 100,000 spins on a slot with a 10 million jackpot with an RTP of 95%, id have the exact same chance of winning.

    Im open to change my mind if you can show me how my EV+ goes up with a higher jackpot total but ive never looked at it that way.
     
  34. Jun 9, 2015
  35. byhc

    byhc Dormant account

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    Jackpot quantity does not affect +ev, but the reasoning behind the higher jackpot does. In general, higher jackpots is directly correlated with higher player count for that slot. Theoretically though, as you correctly mentioned, if both type of slots had the same amount of players but differing jackpots, the +ev would be the same.
     
  36. Jun 9, 2015
  37. sigothx1

    sigothx1 Experienced Member

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    Number of players on a slot does not increase odds of anything apart from the amount of the jackpot, if 100,000 players played a slot before me, or 1 person before me, my chances of winning a progressive hasnt changes, the amount might go up, but chances of winning have stayed the exact same.
     
  38. Jun 10, 2015
  39. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Well you have to factor the jackpot into the total RTP of the game - assuming, if you will, that the jackpot is the top pay of the game.

    So for example, say you had a fixed bet slot where the top pay (jackpot) was $1,000 and the RTP was 95%.
    If you changed nothing else on the game, except the value of the jackpot - the TRTP would also change accordingly.
    So maybe if the jackpot was increased to say $10,000, the TRTP could also rise to say 98% (or whatever).
    If the jackpot gets big enough, the TRTP of the slot would be more than 100% = +EV.

    KK
     

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