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You really expect me to wager my cash 30x? TOO?

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Bonus Issues' started by walmartman56, Jul 8, 2016.

    Jul 8, 2016
  1. walmartman56

    walmartman56 Dormant account

    Occupation:
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    Location:
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    Ok I understand that there are WR in all casinos. And Im fine with the WR of 30xbonus. But then VegasCrest says you also have to wager your cash deposit 30x also so that is 30x Bonus plus 30x Cash which is 60. When I orginally read the 30 WR I thought it was for all of it. Not my cash too. I dep 10 plus iIget a 10 bonus I have to wager 600.00.. Im already willing to risk my money and play in their house But heres is the sneaky part. You can only wager 10% of the bonus amount or all winnings will be taken from you. This is probably a common rule? But My problem is that this IMPORTANT info which coincides with the WR info ought to be printed under the same heading. Or right below it. No I found this on their 2nd page of bonus terms and conditions. But I am Happy to say i hit afor 1735.92 on the islots. I bowled a strike. I believe I was only betting 1.40.
     
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  2. Jul 8, 2016
  3. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    International Money Launderer
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    Pretty standard stuff. 20XB+D - 40xD+B is the usual range for bonuses. They are nearly always EV- propositions. The 10% rule is there to prevent quick lucky hits at large stakes to increase balance then convert the bonus by grinding away afterwards and walk off with their money.

    Don't take bonuses.
     
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  4. Jul 8, 2016
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
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    Bexhill on sea, England
    WOW! Was that on Bowled Over?
    I didn't know it could pay over 1000x bet! :eek2:

    Regarding the wagering, I have to say you should have read the T&Cs in the Cashier screen more carefully: in my experience, Rival casinos always clearly state if the wagering is bonus only or (Deposit+Bonus).
    {Edit} Just checked out the casino and I see it's not a "stand alone" Rival - so they probably don't use the standard Rival Cashier screen.
    But the terms on their website do clearly say (D+B)x30. {end edit}

    Please let us know how your cash-out goes - I'm always looking for decent Rivals to list, and I haven't had any dealings with this one yet. Looks like it should be OK, as they have a range of good looking endorsements at the bottom of their home-page... :thumbsup:

    KK
     
  6. Jul 11, 2016
  7. FAZI1

    FAZI1 Experienced Member

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    x 20 B+D its ok but x35 d+b or x 40 d+b is over standard and is bad for 100% bonus. The 10 % Bonus rule is bad and its not standard in casinos. - Most casinos have rule like this but not with 10% - this was usually with no more then example 20% -25% recived bonus. So if player make deposit 10€ and recived 10€ bonus - max allowed bet is 1€ and this is ok? - No.

    Most popular safe reputable casinos have rule example no more bet then 20% of recived bonus with exceptions player can always use bet up to 5€/ or just 5€ is max bet and thats all. - so dosent metter player deposit 10€ got 10€ bonus - Player always is allowed to stake up to 5€ per spin. - this is what we have now in most reputable casinos.


    About this Vegas Creed - they of corse " forgot " add this rule ( maximum bet 10% bonus rulez in section Bonus terms and conditions ) - just add it in General site term and conditions - yes in this way is better for them.

    In they promotion sections is write " We don't stop there! Receive an automatic 25% match on all your other deposits too. At Vegas Crest Casino you can get a bonus every single time you fund your account."

    Then in this case is probably also wagering like x 30 deposit + bonus and max allowed bet per single spin 10% from 1/4 deposit amount ( 25% bonus ) :D

    So if player decided make deposit 20$ to recived daily 25% bonus - ( 20 $ + 5$ bonus ) - then max allowed bet per single spin is 0.5$:D

    Ok im know Casino mayby not use this rule to void winings if somone make small deposit like 10€ and bet example 1.2€ - finish wagering and withdrawal small amount 100/200€

    - But if in same situation somone finish wagering with big amount then they probably will penalized players and canceled winings.
     
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  8. Jul 11, 2016
  9. LHofsdal

    LHofsdal Ueber Meister MM

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    Retired
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    NY
    Hey KK-
    I have played at this casino and cashed out. They are owned by Vista Gaming. They have a 2 business day waiting period before your cashout is processed. They do NOT budge from that. So you really need to cashout Monday or Tuesday to have your withdrawal processed in that same week. Then (in all honesty) it can take anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks to receive your cashout. The 3 times I cashed out from this site and their sister bingo site, I had a pending withdrawal in each. 1 day apart. I waited over 2 weeks to get my cashout including weekends before I contacted them about it, it was processed in 2 business days, but when I contacted them about actually receiving them I got the old "We will contact the processor" line. Then in 3 days I got one cashout and the 4th day I got the other one. The 3rd cashout was for quite bit more then the other 2 and I received that one in 3 days from the time they processed it.

    As for Rival games, they seem to have all of them including the newer ones but again in all honesty, these are the tightest Rival slots I have ever played. I have played them and it takes so many spins no matter what game you play to get a feature and 9 out 10 times you are lucky to get 5X's your bet back. I am not the only one that has experienced this as a few friends of mine that have played e-mailed me saying the same thing. That is gambling I guess.

    Yes, it does seem they give a bonus on each and ever deposit, but they do pay out. The only thing I have against this casino now is they still have Betsoft games with the progressive jackpots and are actually running promotions on some of the Betsoft games. For this reason I am very hesitant to make any further deposits. I did not realize this until yesterday.

    It is just like any other casino I have played at, no better no worse. I hope this helps ya.

    All the best,
    Lori
     
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  10. Jul 14, 2016
  11. walmartman56

    walmartman56 Dormant account

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    THANK YOU Helpful Useful

    Im still learning how to reply to threads and all that. Im the worst typist. But thank you to everyone who took the time to share a minute out of their day. I did not meet the WR so I wont be cashing out. Which I found to be shocking. But oh well. I refuse to wager my deposit 30x and bonus 30x thats 60x forget about it. LOL Some times the bonus rule says you cant play a progressive slot. Until you have met the WR. . Bottom line is that a casino can change the rules at any time for any reason and back peddal and not pay. :cool:
     
  12. Jul 14, 2016
  13. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    You live and learn. :D

    Rule 1 for bonus play: Bonuses are for the benefit of the casino, not the player!
    Rule 2: READ ALL T&C's (no matter how well hidden) before taking a bonus
    Rule 3: Avoid bonuses whenever you can. :D
     
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  14. Jul 20, 2016
  15. walmartman56

    walmartman56 Dormant account

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    Great advice avoid bonuses. They are for the houses benefit. Thank you
     
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  16. Jul 20, 2016
  17. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Wolverhampton
    In the defence of the bonus, they used to be good when wagering was 10xB or in odd instances even lower.

    I even recall Ladbrokes (in their MG days) used to offer 4xB on bonuses or Free Spins winnings and also totally wager free stuff.

    Sure other places did too but with the absence of a time machine will have to face the fact it was before my time and I missed out big time lol :(

    Some current places where I feel bonus wagering is fair (as can be)

    32 Red (30 x B)
    Guts/Rizk/Betspin (35 x B)
    Casino Luck / Next (40 x B) - Correct me if this has changed please Harry.
    Leo Vegas (35 x B)

    Probably others but these are the ones I play.

    Places where you can withdraw at any time with an active bonus (as long as you have not dipped into bonus portion)

    BetAt / Slotty Vegas
    Leo Vegas
    Royal Panda
    Dr Vegas

    Most have Microgaming/Netent/WMS/Next Gen etc but no Rival stuff obs :thumbsup:
     
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  18. Jul 20, 2016
  19. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Location:
    Balcony
    40xB is correct for Next/CL. :thumbsup:

    What i also find important are stable T&C's which do not exclude half the games and/or keep changing all the time. The only casinos where i take regularly the monthly and weekly 50% matches are Next/CL and exactly for that reason. They have not changed the bonus rules or added more slots to the non-allowed list ever since i joined them in Feb 2015. That alone shows me that they are reliable and reputable.

    As you know i avoid bonuses like a plague whenever I can or my budget allows it. That is also the reason why my TOP2 regular hangouts are Bet-at & Videoslots and what will be a TOP3 starting August with Rizk. :thumbsup: Next/CL will always stay my only regular bonus casino, that will not change as long as Eric is there. :thumbsup: :D

    Bet-At:
    - withdraw anytime before touching the bonus money
    - if you dip into the bonus WR = 30xB
    - stable T&C's with only a few games excluded and a few counting 50%
    - first you play real funds, then bonus
    - bonus becomes a real second chance, you can play higher stakes when you feel like (up to the bonus limit), try different slots

    - FS winnings carry only a 10x WR
    - dedicated VIP team

    This is for me the fairest bonus system around at present and that is why they will be always in the TOP3 of my regular hangouts. Coupled with fast payouts and a very rewarding VIP program it does not get much better.

    Videoslots:

    - all extras (lets avoid to call them bonuses) like race winnings, cashback, FS winnings etc are totally WR free.
    - no rules to follow, no hidden clauses, just play whatever you feel like.

    - VIP bonuses come with only 25x WR
    - stable T&C's with only a few games excluded
    - great VIP support

    This is for me the most simple player reward system around at present and that is why they are also in the TOP3 of my regular hangouts. Coupled with fast payouts and a great VIP support they are perfect for non-bonus players.


    Rizk:
    - all extras like race winnings, cashback, FS winnings, WoR winnings etc are totally WR free.
    - extra goodies like 2x speed tickets give extra rewards and they are as well WR free.
    - no rules to follow, no hidden clauses, just play whatever you feel like.

    - if bonuses are given then reasonable WR = 35xB
    - simple bonus rules
    - no info on the VIP program yet as i will only start using it in August.

    Hassle free gaming, no bullshit as they say, straightforward approach, great support aka the Captain and their latest addition to the RG options, the witdrawal lock function convinced me to expand my TOP2 into a TOP3 starting August.
     
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  20. Jul 20, 2016
  21. goatwack

    goatwack bombastic monk CAG

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    Londonia
    Rizk shot to my number 1 just with that facility, and I've only played there once!

    LeoVegas are just behind, and you can't argue with 32Red's value for money and consistent reloads, they are head and shoulders above others with the 100%ers. Videoslots are superb too of course.

    My only gripe with the best casinos is the lack of those reloads. I accept that free spins and freerolls don't fall from the sky so I accept that, can't have it both ways :(

    And I'm leaning more towards the 'no bonus' route lately, they are becoming too rare, convoluted and not worth keeping a calculator and guide book by my side for!
     
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  22. Jul 20, 2016
  23. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    uk
    Or Casumo. The wagering isn't too good at 25x D+B

    But you can withdraw a proportion of your balance at ANY TIME.

    The proportion depends on the bonus percentage.
    so with a 100% bonus, you can withdraw 1/2 of your balance whenever you want to, or the whole balance once WR are completed
    or with a 50% bonus, you can withdraw 2/3 of your balance whenever you want to, or the whole balance once WR are completed

    I get, an 80% bonus, at least, twice every week from them.

    The good thing is that wagering starts from your very first spin, rather than once you hit the bonus money.
    And because you don't have to worry about dipping into bonus money, you can play at the appropriate stake for your total balance.

    Plus you earn free spins and stuff along the way
     
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  24. Jul 20, 2016
  25. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    - Leo Vegas - Can't register at Leo although i wanted earlier this year but they don't take players from TH.
    - 32RED - The DOTD is certainly hard to beat when it comes to bonuses but i am off pending lists --> no penny to pending pushers, sorry (they were my TOP1 for 4 years, didn't even have a TOP2 or TOP3)
    - Welcome to the relaxed "no bonus" world. :thumbsup: I have sometimes the feeling i have to be a highly skilled lawyer to see through all the "if's & buts" in the bonus rules.
     
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  26. Jul 20, 2016
  27. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Used to and also took advantage of said offer most if not all times.

    Few decent Rhino hits later and those 80%'s are a distant memory and no I am not foil hatting, way too much of a coincidence for it to be any other reason that being well in front at Casumo.

    A shame really as this casino would be my number one, with every game I need and the recent addition of Novomatic games for UK players.

    Its still up there in my top 5 and the CS and everything else is top notch but replacing 80% matches (despite ridiculous WR) with FS on 10-line slots and that horrible contraption by Thunderkick (EE?) FS just does not cut the mustard.

    Have to agree with Goaty, although limited to MG at least your guaranteed a DOTD with 30x WR at 32 Red and Leo Vegas, another 'goodie' withdrew numerous times without hitting the bonus money, great rule!
     
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  28. Jul 20, 2016
  29. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    That is not a bad system either, in my view rather fair to both, player and casino. Registered with Casumo but they do not take AUD unfortunately :oops:

    But regarding the wagering for e.g. 80/50% reload for a depo 100, bonus 80/50 = 180/150

    Casumo
    - WR = 25x D+B --> 25 x 180 = 4500
    - WR = 25x D+B --> 25 x 150 = 3750

    Bet-At
    - WR = 30x B --> 30 x 80 = 2400
    - WR = 30x B --> 30 x 50 = 1500

    Starting wagering from first spin means higher WR. I prefer the Bet-At solution as i can deposit and play as i want with my cash part and the bonus then becomes for me a second chance.
     
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  30. Jul 20, 2016
  31. goatwack

    goatwack bombastic monk CAG

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    Stuntman
    Location:
    Londonia
    Thankyou! Yes it does feel better to play with your own money anyway. At this rate we'll soon all be doing it as bonuses will become unbeatable, it's inevitable.

    Since I started, bonuses on average have gone from 25x bonus to about 35x bonus and deposit, which seems to be standard fare and getting worse.

    Extended playtime means nothing if all the while you believe you have next to no chance of turning the bonus over. Takes the fun right out of the experience, whereas with 'real' funds you have infinitely more leeway.

    Long live real funds!! :cheerleader:
     
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  32. Jul 20, 2016
  33. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Wolverhampton
    Agree that BetAt's is much better / fairer but there is a MUCH bigger choice of games at Casumo. Also Betat tend to insist on £50 minimum for reloads which for those like me is 9/10 a 'no-go'
     
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  34. Jul 20, 2016
  35. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    uk
    They maybe just changed to different bonuses for different levels. I'm level 180 and a purple belt
     
  36. Jul 20, 2016
  37. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Exactly my opinion.

    I found Redbet and Energy 50% reloads, although both reputable and good casinos, a joke. 90x B WR :eek: :confused: At such requirements bonus play becomes a burden, it stops being entertainment.

    I just love the freedom to play what i want at the stake i feel comfortable while all the time i can just hit the withdraw button without having to wonder whether i have done the WR or broken any rules etc.
     
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  38. Jul 20, 2016
  39. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Quite possibly Brian, I have been proven wrong lol :confused:

    Thing is I get virtually NO percentage bonuses at all, whereas these were weekly or twice weekly as you mention.

    I did a few weeks back get an e-mail which read basically as a 'Belt Upgrade' and I think it was a 1.5 but as I say very rare and my belt never changed from red as promised ? ?

    I am level 156 so think you could say I've done my fair share of wagering and risked a good many deposits, I can't help it if I choose my games wisely and I'm a jammy git!

    Edit: If my gaming budget / pot was bigger - I wouldn't touch ANY bonuses, just that as a low roller / small budget I feel almost 'forced' to rely on bonuses for more than 10 minutes play time. Problem is the casino(s) know this ;)
     
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