You know your going to be ripped off when

Woody50

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Out of the Blue you get some promotional material in the mail giving you a $10 voucher to play at XYZ casino. I fell for it again after not playing these rip off bastard things for a few months. I just had to try my luck with the free $10.00 and it just led me into shoving another $200 into their greedy mits.
There is no way that you can win at these things in the long run, people remember their wins but forget their losses.

The quicker these online rip off merchants are banned the bloody better.
 

Alexishot69

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Thats why

Out of the Blue you get some promotional material in the mail giving you a $10 voucher to play at XYZ casino. I fell for it again after not playing these rip off bastard things for a few months. I just had to try my luck with the free $10.00 and it just led me into shoving another $200 into their greedy mits.
There is no way that you can win at these things in the long run, people remember their wins but forget their losses.

The quicker these online rip off merchants are banned the bloody better.
You have a DELETE button one press and bang its gone ..you will also find at the bottom of most of these emails from genuine casinos unsubscribe that also works and last but not least you might wanna check this out http://www.casinomeister.com/quit_gambling.php ...
 

kimss

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I fell for it again after not playing these rip off bastard things for a few months.
Excactly... A free $10 cost you $200. A work well done by the casino! It's like the old trick in the book when selling drugs... First time is for free...
 

kimss

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You have a DELETE button one press and bang its gone ..you will also find at the bottom of most of these emails from genuine casinos unsubscribe that also works and last but not least you might wanna check this out http://www.casinomeister.com/quit_gambling.php ...
Hmm... And since the latest news out now is that the casinos does this just to trigger certain people to play more... Do you stil answer the same? Do you still belive it's just "uninstall you fool", is it that easy for you, when we know the free money are targeted for gambling addicts that have a history of having problem saying no?

Hmm... I beg to differ the more I look at it!
 

Alexishot69

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Thats why

Hmm... And since the latest news out now is that the casinos does this just to trigger certain people to play more... Do you stil answer the same? Do you still belive it's just "uninstall you fool", is it that easy for you, when we know the free money are targeted for gambling addicts that have a history of having problem saying no?

Hmm... I beg to differ the more I look at it!
Hmmmm not quite sure where to start with this post you seem to be extremely having read your other posts anti-casinos ..what you are doing is persecuting a casino for sending an email to which everyone who joins has the option to subscribe or not subscribe too and at the very least then delete it...if the problem is that someone with a gambling habit cannot therefore open an email without losing 200 or more then perhaps they should seek help professionally no? i am not and i repeat NOT defending casinos but srely to the common sensed ones amongst us then being unable to open emails means time to do one of or all of these 3 things...1 >> seek professional help for addictions...2>.change email address and make a new one informing friends only of new address...3> installing GAMBLOCK on a computer..

Im sorry kmiss but yes i do agree that some of these places have unethical business practices but what you say suggests its corrupt netwide and that i DO NOT and anyone with common sense will believe does NOT happen...
 
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kimss

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Im sorry kmiss but yes i do agree that some of these places have unethical business practices but what you say suggests its corrupt netwide and that i DO NOT and anyone with common sense will believe does NOT happen...
Sorry I do not understand your meaning here, do you mean that casinos do not give away money in the interest in triggering the gaming addiction so you will deposit more, as in a dope dealer giving more dope for free to the user so that the user is hooked again?

The reason why I mention this is that the dam has broken, the beans are already spillt. We know know this is what the tactic is - hence why they do it. Sure some might do it just for the happiness of the players, doubtfully, it's a shady cruel business!

I agree one should take responsibility on your own actions, *snip*, I lost a million dollars on theese machines and I'm not asking for them back am I? However I have the legal right to complain, especially if the fact of the matter is that you can easily break my by letting me wager for free for 5 minutes... That would be like giving heroin to a drug addict, you know I'll get hooked.

And also, the opt'out newsletter doesn't work, and sometimes "they forget" and send you anyway since it's a special reminder from a seperate list or whatsoever. So again.

I believe the story would be quite different if the lokal drugstore went out and gave free bottles of vodka to recovering alkoholics... You must admit! Atleast for the sake of morality! Or would that also be the recovering alkoholics responsibility?

I find you a little harsh, that people never needs help by others, and that the strongest will survive. Taken to the furthest, if I want to beat someone up and rob them I am free to do so - after all - all the other person needs to to is just be able to defend himself... He's problem really...

We need a little lovin, and when other companies screws us we get help from government and other people, but not here since there are no borders to govern them (as in casinos).
 
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maxd

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No offense K, but don't you think your analogies are a little one-sided?

Not everyone who takes the "free $10" is a gambling junkie. For many, many people a little gambling is just entertainment not an addiction.

I'm not disagreeing that this business can be just as black-hearted as any other but seriously, a little perspective wouldn't be amiss here.
 

kimss

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No offense K, but don't you think your analogies are a little one-sided?
No offence taken, :thumbsup: I hole heartedly agree, I am very one sided! Not everyone is, however the point is why the bonus is given in the first place, :)

I only think it's good to look rational on what is really going on in this business, and not always just slam the "fix it yourself". Gambling has become an illness in the latter years just as alkoholism and druguse - and we know it's not nice throwing vodka in the face of recovering alkoholic. I just want a debate, and I happend to be the one throwing arguments from this side... :D

But yes, extremely one sided, sure, but I have to take a side and this is my side, :) I am one of theese customers the casinos atleast loved to have sometime, and they threw huge bonuses at me all the time. However after my writings in here and adding myself to the eCogra list for the n'th time I am pretty lost in the MG scene... :D
 

Alexishot69

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exceptionally one sided

No offence taken, :thumbsup: I hole heartedly agree, I am very one sided! Not everyone is, however the point is why the bonus is given in the first place, :)

I only think it's good to look rational on what is really going on in this business, and not always just slam the "fix it yourself". Gambling has become an illness in the latter years just as alkoholism and druguse - and we know it's not nice throwing vodka in the face of recovering alkoholic. I just want a debate, and I happend to be the one throwing arguments from this side... :D

But yes, extremely one sided, sure, but I have to take a side and this is my side, :) I am one of theese customers the casinos atleast loved to have sometime, and they threw huge bonuses at me all the time. However after my writings in here and adding myself to the eCogra list for the n'th time I am pretty lost in the MG scene... :D
K no disrespect ok but the bottom line here is CASINOS ARE BUSINESSES and anyone who is in business is in it to make money...now lets look at the other perspective ,i walk past a supermarket/shop and see special offer "2 for 1" and i already spend too much on clothes have i to take ur line and complain because they are pulling me in and complain because they are preying on people who spend to much on clothes? i get junk mail like most of us do to buy holidays,cars,windows,bikes you name it i get it have i to go round all these companies complaining because they are just enticing me?? NO and you know why? because i take responsibility for my own actions and if opening an email was going to cost me $200 then i wouldnt do it or at least take stepe to avoid it..as max rightly pointed out your argument is bordering on silliness saying casinos should not send out such material ..were you complaining getting bonuses whilst gambling?? i bet you werent..if woody50 is seriously that ill with gambling theres more than enough help available both here and elsewhere on the internet and offline also...
 

funky_seagull

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I think it is wrong to do this when someone has excluded themselves from the casino. Also think it is wrong to spam people.

I don't mind recieving free bonuses at all. As long as their from reputable casinos. I have very rarely made a deposit if I lose. I don't find the tactic works on me. It doesn't hook me in. I just enjoy playing with the free money and if I win it's a bonus. If I lose it doesn't really matter cause it wasn't my money anyway.

If people keep going on about how evil casinos are. The folks who want to be everybodies nanny will campaign to ban online casinos and what happened in the USA will happen here as well. And I really don't want that to happen. People should be free to choose if they want to do it. We are adults not kids.

I have had a gambling problem these past few months and it has been Hell. Recently I experienced a bad losing streak which got me depressed and suicidal. After some hard days of contemplation I decided to continue gambling albeit with a very small bankroll and strict rules. Money is tight at the moment and paying bills and putting food on the table is far more important than wasting it on games of chance. Also spending time with your loved ones is far more important. I had been spending too much time on the computer and ignoring those around me. Lost in my own crazy bubble. I really regret this and feel cross with myself. It's not just money you lose but time as well.

I now look on gambling as just a hobby I do occasionally.

My strict rules are:

1. Only play with money that doesn't matter if you lose it.

2. Never borrow money to gamble. If you're completely skint. Practise strategies in play for fun mode. This way you satisfy the need to play but without risking anything. When you do have some money again you will be able to use the techniques you've practised and maybe win something. If you lose and are skint again go back to the drawing board of play for fun.

3. Never ever chase losses. If you lose shrug your shoulders and walk away. Do not make another deposit and try to win back what you have lost. Just let it go.

4. Only gamble if you have the time to. otherwise spend the time with those you love. Time like money is also precious.

5. Have fun. I actually find I do better when I'm just playing for fun. When you're desperate to win. Thinking about paying off debts etc. Things seem to go wrong. If you just enjoy yourself and have a more carefree attitude to winning and losing I find I actually do better. I think state of mind is important. Only play when you're in the right frame of mind.

6. Never play when your tired or intoxicated.

7. Relax. Don't get stressed. It's just a game.

8. Don't get greedy. If you feel you're at a deadend and you're starting to hit a losing streak. Cash out.

9. Don't follow systems or strategies religously. You can sometimes use them in the short term but if they start to go wrong stop using them. Be adaptive to the way the game is playing. And try to conserve your bankroll. Don't ever double your bets more than 2-3 times the original stake. If you lose a little it is ok. If you just look at what you have in the here and now that is your bankroll. Forget about what you had 5 minutes ago. Just focus on what you have now and be content to play with that.

I really screwed up because I didn't have self control. I lost a lot of money because I was doing the reverse of the above. I think/hope I have learnt my lesson now. I have been through what can only be described as a dark night of the soul.

I decided to continue gambling. But on condition I follow the above rules. The best one for me is to have fun and not take it all too seriously. Is good to switch off the computer and do something else with your life.

Be free. Don't let something outside yourself control you.

I hope this post helps someone.
 

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No problem, what you are saying is people with problems, that be gambling, drinking or drugs may just sod off! People may prey on them, since someone would do it anyway. Survival of the fittest!

Also - what if theese same casinos have rigged software, and have all marketing tricks geared against a typical adicted gamblers brain? Will this affect your view?

Thirdly, the way theese casino's operate are not legal in many countries, however they keep doing what they do through shade tax-paradises due to internet-borders that doesn't exist... Does this affect your descission?

In the end it's all the players responsibility, however why on earth should be except businesses like this in the first place to operate? Do we as a society really want such operators?

I have no problem with online casinoes, I love the concept. I just lost faith in current systems since they look rigged to me, and we now see workers from the business go public and tell us what we already knew all the time.

But surely, we shall not do anything, just except the behaviour from them however wrong it may be - since in the end it's the players fault.

Is is only me who has a problem with this?
 

Alexishot69

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what??????

No problem, what you are saying is people with problems, that be gambling, drinking or drugs may just sod off! People may prey on them, since someone would do it anyway. Survival of the fittest!

Also - what if theese same casinos have rigged software, and have all marketing tricks geared against a typical adicted gamblers brain? Will this affect your view?

Thirdly, the way theese casino's operate are not legal in many countries, however they keep doing what they do through shade tax-paradises due to internet-borders that doesn't exist... Does this affect your descission?

In the end it's all the players responsibility, however why on earth should be except businesses like this in the first place to operate? Do we as a society really want such operators?

I have no problem with online casinoes, I love the concept. I just lost faith in current systems since they look rigged to me, and we now see workers from the business go public and tell us what we already knew all the time.

But surely, we shall not do anything, just except the behaviour from them however wrong it may be - since in the end it's the players fault.

Is is only me who has a problem with this?
what if,what if??? if the world was square wed all fall off trying to track down these rogue casinos...im assumng you have an agenda here to wipe casinos off the map..why cant you be sensible for one second and accept the fact they send emails you block them end of story?? you been on to the viagra folk trying to tell them to stop sending you emails about how good there pharmacies online are?? its part of life and yes once again its peoples responsibilities if they ar recieving unwanted emails then they report it but going the lengths you are is just way OTT..you lost grow up and accept it huh
 

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funky_seagull, great honesty there, it hurts I know! However luckily for you you didn't fall into the free money trap. In my opinion this "trick" works best with a gambler who has seized control of gambling and stopped - hence knowing if starting to play it's a possible disaster as old spin-fever will be back. By will power and not depositing, you are moving in the the right direction, and from open sky comes that freeroll ticket... No hurt, no deposit, just this time, just a few spins - I need theese you think, just tap into that old feeling we love!

Many gambling addicts does this, and the amount is often the trick. Would you refuse a $500 free cash offer? Some needs bigger some needs lower - those few spins was all the juice you needed to get the mood back, hence a deposit is comming.

It wasn't my words, it was Bet365's own words stating this is what they do! Make the player get a few hours worth of spinning for free, to hook them again to suck them dry.

Taken this into consideration I believe I understood where the OP came from, and why I even cared to respond.

Finally, all your excellent points on keeping controll. Bearing in mind we are compulsive players, theese points are often what our "type" usually fail... :D Maby we lost rules and scruples somewhere along the road, I don't really know!
 

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what if,what if??? if the world was square wed all fall off trying to track down these rogue casinos...im assumng you have an agenda here to wipe casinos off the map..
No, this is not what I want. What I want is transparence in the business, I want people to analyze the randomness of a gamesystem. I want cashouts to be as quick as deposits, I want an online casino to work much or less like a brick mortar casino!

Online Casinos have really made a killing, they are able to just do as they please with everything! We have no control what so ever on them, and most are beginning to understand.

That is what I want - fair play! Remove all the obvious trickery created to work against gambling addicts, which others are not allowed to do!
 

Alexishot69

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Isnt that what we all want?

No, this is not what I want. What I want is transparence in the business, I want people to analyze the randomness of a gamesystem. I want cashouts to be as quick as deposits, I want an online casino to work much or less like a brick mortar casino!

Online Casinos have really made a killing, they are able to just do as they please with everything! We have no control what so ever on them, and most are beginning to understand.

That is what I want - fair play! Remove all the obvious trickery created to work against gambling addicts, which others are not allowed to do!
Of course thats what everyone wants but lets also not forget that theres a lot of rogueness goes on off the net as well as on it where gambling is concerned..look at uk betting shops and there RANDOM<lol> roulette machines? horse racing is that fair? the whole gambling world is unfair on punters for one reason 99.99999% ALL LOSE...now if it was fair then that might increase too 99.99999998% because YOU CANNOT WIN GAMBLING no atter on the net or off..another bit you mention is cashouts to be as quick as deposits well thats just imp[ossible bordering on madness to suggest that can happen...within 24 hrs yes but instantly never too much cc fraud these days and casinos have to protect themselves..regulation yes i agree but whos gonna regulate it?? the uk national lottery is the biggest scam going and thats uk regulated...lol and everyone knows its a scam so my advice woul dbe if you dont like whats going on then maybe you need to just give up playing online huh...
 

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lol and everyone knows its a scam so my advice woul dbe if you dont like whats going on then maybe you need to just give up playing online huh...
Hehe, you know you sound like man! No woman would reason so manly as U doing now, unless you work in a heavily man dominated field! Also, you are talking typical my talk aswell being down to earth accepting reality and not looking for utopia. Funny as it seems I should be more agreeing with you, on the other hand knowing something is wrong and not being able to do something about it doesn't mean one should embrase it... Together we can make a difference. The old saying, together we stand devided we fall! And it is true!

But We might aswell call quits here since we are repeating ourself in the hunt for the perfect argument. Either of us are gonna bend, and both arguments are valid in my opinion all depending on your view on life it seems...

:cool:
 

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So are cigarette manufacturers;

I think what k's point here is - LET'S CALL A SPADE A SPADE, no?
Spot on! And while we are at it, why not do something about it when we have been enlightened! After all - we can make the world a better place not? Isn't that the point?
 

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