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www.888.com - dubious bonus regulations

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Bonus Issues' started by roman_at, Sep 8, 2006.

    Sep 8, 2006
  1. roman_at

    roman_at Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Computers
    Location:
    Austria
    hi there,

    I just won 9000$ playing at You must register/login in order to see the link. / You must register/login in order to see the link. -- at least I thought so:mad:

    As I already wagered the bonus amount 20 times (according to 1 in the bonus policy) I tried to cash out my winnings.
    Than the support told me that I have to wager the bonus 200(!) times coz I deposited using moneybookers.
    This is 6 in the bonus policy.
    So I should wager $35000 more...

    I know that players should read the policies but like most players I just read the first paragraph concerning the wagering restrictions.
    IMHO it's really dubious that 6 overrules 1 and depositing money with moneybookers is the same as donating money to 888.com:mad: :mad:
    I think that it is nearly impossible to win anything with this requirements?!?

    I also haven't seen any casino with such extreme wagering requirements...

    Does anyone else have experiences with 888.com?


    greetings

    Roman

    link to bonus policies: You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  2. Sep 8, 2006
  3. soflat

    soflat Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Scientist
    Location:
    Florida
    Wow, 200x is insane :eek2:

    But look on the bright - you shouldn't lose more than a few hundred dollars of your winnings if you play through the $35,000 on a low house edge game using smallish bets.

    Just finish it up, cash out, and uninstall because you will never get anything worthwhile ther as long as you use Neteller or MoneyBookers.
     
  4. Sep 8, 2006
  5. nielsenj

    nielsenj Dormant account webmeister

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Scandinavia
    200x Wagering requirement is extremely high and not actractive if you are a bonus hunter. But I fail to see the dubious actions on the part of 888/Casino-On-Net in this matter. It is not like the 6 is hidden away on a remote part of their website or left out like some casinos do. I see your situation more as a reminder that we players should always read the Casino T&C's and promotions T&C's thoroughly.
     
  6. Sep 8, 2006
  7. awstick

    awstick Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    US
    200x really high, but far from unbeatable. You have $9000, and if you play BJ, which has about a .5% edge, you'd only lose about $175 on average over the $35000 remaining wagering requirement.
     
  8. Sep 8, 2006
  9. roman_at

    roman_at Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Computers
    Location:
    Austria

    Hi,

    The problem in fact is that these restrictions apply to all players and not only to "bonus-hunters" (what ever that is).
    I am sure that especially bonus hunters read the T&C's carefully and will pay in with their credit card.
    So mainly newbees are affected by this policy and I still think that paying in with moneybookers is the same than make a donation to 888/Casino-on-net...
    (maybe not in my special case as I won a 10,000$ jackpot on a slot machine:thumbsup: )

    In one thing you are right that this is really a reminder that we should always read the T&C's (and not only §1:lolup: )

    so have a nice time...

    roman
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2006
  10. Sep 8, 2006
  11. roman_at

    roman_at Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Computers
    Location:
    Austria
    Hi, thanks...

    So I think I have to learn the BJ-Rules in my old days:lolup:

    ciao

    Roman
     
  12. Sep 9, 2006
  13. wangpoker

    wangpoker Experienced Member PABnononaccred2 webmeister

    Occupation:
    affiliate marketing
    Location:
    Ontario/Canada
    leave the bonus in your account and withdrawa your deposit and winnings.
    it doesn't violate the bonus policy, but 888 may refuse your withdrawal.
    try!
     
  14. Sep 9, 2006
  15. thelawnet

    thelawnet Dormant account

    Occupation:
    programmer
    Location:
    UK

    nothing you can do...... It's 50x for neteller. I guess it's their way of discouraging people from using these payment methods.

    Yes, learn blackjack, play $100 bets, shouldn't take more than an hour.

    There's a strategy card here:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2006
  17. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
    Gaming SEO Specialist & Casino Webmaster
    Location:
    Australia
    What moron would encourage credit cards over Neteller or MoneyBookers...IMHO That's dubious by proxy, even if it's clearly stated in their T&C's.
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2006
  18. Sep 10, 2006
  19. SquareShooter

    SquareShooter Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Gambling
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    Who's asking?
    Exactly my thoughts!

    Why would anyone (customer or merchant) prefer CC over Moneybookers or Neteller :eek2: ! Transaction costs are lower for Moneybookers or Neteller for both merchants and Customers!
    For example NO SINGLE sportsbook prefers CC over any other deposit method!
    Almost all sportsbooks charge for CC deposits while (especially for Moneybookers) e-wallets are free or colse to that!

    Does anyone know more than I do?
     
  20. Sep 12, 2006
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    They know.

    I have seen this term only with 888 and reef Club. Any request for an explanation for the policy is stonewalled. Neteller have no knowledge of this, and most casinos will even offer an extra bonus for using Neteller or MoneyBookers.
    When I last looked it was just 50x for Neteller, but Reef Club then introduced the 200x after I joined. Their support did confirm to me that they did indeed prefer credit cards over any other method, and the only logic to this would be to freeze out American players who will find it impossible to use a card.
    Odd really, since they only use DOLLARS, but want us to use our STERLING and EURO credit cards over an account we may open with a web wallet in DOLLARS - this results in a fat little earner in currency conversion fees, and this may be how they make money by preferring credit cards over Neteller and MoneyBookers.
    They are NOT the world's number one, that is only what they say. The world's number one casino would have no need to advertise over the Urinals at Leicester Forest Motorway Services !!!!
     
  22. Sep 12, 2006
  23. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    It is the card issuer, not the casino, who makes money out of the conversion. I recommend Nationwide Buildings Society cards, which do not charge a currency conversion fee.
     
  24. Sep 19, 2006
  25. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Nevertheless

    Although card issuers make the money, a merchant can negotiate a special deal with card processors if they can offer a steady stream of premium transactions, such as players having to use Dollars. As there is so much competition, they will be left with the low rolling casual market who do not play enough to warrant opening webwallet accounts. This could be the market they are after, as such players will be more likely to play less skillfully, giving the casino a better return on table games and video poker.
    The fact that this issue is now about Moneybookers shows they are actively seeking to freeze out alternatives to cards. A while ago it was only Neteller that had this unfavourable treatment, but Moneybookers was listed as an alternative. They do not seem to offer to much in the way of non-card deposit methods that are not subject to these restrictive terms.
     

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