Wtf happened to Dead or Alive

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I cant believe how shit this game is, from being one of the most exciting to a re-vamped load of shit.

Will never touch this crap again, how obvious can it get that slots are fixed because this has blatantly been tampered with!

you can still play the old flash version at CasinoHeroes Casino btw :)
 

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I remember when they first switched it to HTML. Everyone on here included my self thought it was utter shite. But having got used to it now i kind of prefer it over the old version. As DreamRJ points out it is available on a few selected sites still in its original Flash version. However going back to it last week on CasinoHeroes. I didn't enjoy how slow it was and dare i say i prefer the new version now. :what:
 

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What happened to it.......
Well let me just tighten my tin hat on and tell you....

.....strapped on tight.....

Its called corporate bull***.
 

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I cant believe how shit this game is, from being one of the most exciting to a re-vamped load of shit.

Will never touch this crap again, how obvious can it get that slots are fixed because this has blatantly been tampered with!

And what exactly is your point? The basegame is still boring, 99 out of 100 freespins still disappointing, but I still manage to hit a wildline or 5 scatters once in a while. So?
 

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I remember when they first switched it to HTML. Everyone on here included my self thought it was utter shite. But having got used to it now i kind of prefer it over the old version. As DreamRJ points out it is available on a few selected sites still in its original Flash version. However going back to it last week on CasinoHeroes. I didn't enjoy how slow it was and dare i say i prefer the new version now. :what:

Yeah well the people that think the slots are different just because they was transferred to html5 need their head examined lol. Slots have not been altered in anyway. the RTP and RNG will be the exact same. They can not change the RTP or RNG without the slot being retested over and over again for fairness. Slot providers then will have extra costs involved in that if they did change the RNG and RTP during the transferring process.

Also they would need to publish the new RNG certificate for those games in question as well as the new RTP as well.

The main reason people constantly complain and say they are playing worse is purely because of the way html5 work compared to flash. The slots are much faster and smoother in html5 hence why it feels it plays different. But as I said 100% sure the slots that have been transferred to html5 are exactly the same as the old flash versions just faster and smoother!
 

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Yeah well the people that think the slots are different just because they was transferred to html5 need their head examined lol. Slots have not been altered in anyway. the RTP and RNG will be the exact same. They can not change the RTP or RNG without the slot being retested over and over again for fairness. Slot providers then will have extra costs involved in that if they did change the RNG and RTP during the transferring process.

Also they would need to publish the new RNG certificate for those games in question as well as the new RTP as well.

The main reason people constantly complain and say they are playing worse is purely because of the way html5 work compared to flash. The slots are much faster and smoother in html5 hence why it feels it plays different. But as I said 100% sure the slots that have been transferred to html5 are exactly the same as the old flash versions just faster and smoother!

Fair point. I can see why people think they have been changed though. They pay the same but the way they pay back is different to there original version. Just take a look at Raging Rhino. Was once my favorite game to play. Is now a pointless blank spin fest. Yes you can still hit on it. But the base game is like playing a completely different slot. HTML Conversion has ruined a lot of classic slots imo. Done get me started on Montezuma!!! :mad:
 

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Try Gonzo the little wanker... you will trigger the bonus wich will pay u 5-20x bet and after that it will give u 10-15 deadspins and thats it... Notent is the name a provider ho was the best but nowdays no i dont wont to talk about them and what i feel about them. Fuck it leave it dont play games from netent maybe they will realeys that people dosent accept this.
 

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Yeah well the people that think the slots are different just because they was transferred to html5 need their head examined lol. Slots have not been altered in anyway. the RTP and RNG will be the exact same. They can not change the RTP or RNG without the slot being retested over and over again for fairness. Slot providers then will have extra costs involved in that if they did change the RNG and RTP during the transferring process.

Also they would need to publish the new RNG certificate for those games in question as well as the new RTP as well.

The main reason people constantly complain and say they are playing worse is purely because of the way html5 work compared to flash. The slots are much faster and smoother in html5 hence why it feels it plays different. But as I said 100% sure the slots that have been transferred to html5 are exactly the same as the old flash versions just faster and smoother!
Can i ask u wich betsize u play..... ive played gonzos qusts sins they realist the game... i can swear to anything in the world that the game has changed... the avarge players ho play 1-3 euros dosent see it but try and raize your bets 10-20 and just se how the game totaly switch.. the only time i can get a 50-100-150x bet is when i play on 1-2 euros. try it on 5-30 euros bet and u will see. have a nice evning
 

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The variance changed, and there's a few threads on here backing the claims up.
Even Trancemonkey has now agreed that there's a probability that they took the opportunity, whilst changing to HTML5, to change the maths....

"Whilst i could easily argue that the sample is small - and it is, certainly too small to be conclusive, the trend certainly shows the possibility it's changed."

Obviously it was re-certified. But at a cost of about €3,500 it's a small price to pay.
Especially since the HTML5 version has now been removed from the 'restricted while playing a bonus' list at quite a few casinos, there's going to be more players playing it
 

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Can i ask u wich betsize u play..... ive played gonzos qusts sins they realist the game... i can swear to anything in the world that the game has changed... the avarge players ho play 1-3 euros dosent see it but try and raize your bets 10-20 and just se how the game totaly switch.. the only time i can get a 50-100-150x bet is when i play on 1-2 euros. try it on 5-30 euros bet and u will see. have a nice evning

Bet size does not matter. That is just paranoia, trancemonkey forum member who makes slots have said this many times in multiple threads on this forum. But I already knew that betsize doesn't matter. The RTP is exactly the same as it would be on min bet to max bet. The RNG is also exactly the same.

Let me also say this as well about the RNG. an RNG is just some code that is the RNG and that RNG can be used for multiple slots. Like for example net ent have maybe around 300 slots. Most of their slots will use the same RNG. But sometimes they might make some slots that need a new RNG because it will need different RNG rules and arguments.

Bet sizes make no difference and if you really think it does then I think you should stop gambling. All your doing is coming up with cognitive distortions that keep getting re-enforced everytime you play and lose or win and think the same thoughts over and over again, the more you think the same things they become stronger and stronger.

If you really think that, then you need to provide evidence to back up your claim.

Evidence could be in the form of for example 250k spins on min bet and 250k spins on max bet. Then lets discuss the results then?
 

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Yeah well the people that think the slots are different just because they was transferred to html5 need their head examined lol. Slots have not been altered in anyway. the RTP and RNG will be the exact same. They can not change the RTP or RNG without the slot being retested over and over again for fairness. Slot providers then will have extra costs involved in that if they did change the RNG and RTP during the transferring process.

Also they would need to publish the new RNG certificate for those games in question as well as the new RTP as well.

The main reason people constantly complain and say they are playing worse is purely because of the way html5 work compared to flash. The slots are much faster and smoother in html5 hence why it feels it plays different. But as I said 100% sure the slots that have been transferred to html5 are exactly the same as the old flash versions just faster and smoother!

But they clearly aren't EXACTLY the same or no one would notice major differences in gameplay. DoA being one of the worst offenders, Montezuma and RRhino being very close behind. How do you know the RPT hasn't been altered, it hasn't been retested so for all you know it could be paying 50% RTP now. IMO any changes that result in customers noticing a difference should be retested.
 

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The variance changed, and there's a few threads on here backing the claims up.
Even Trancemonkey has now agreed that there's a probability that they took the opportunity, whilst changing to HTML5, to change the maths.
Obviously it was re-certified. But at a cost of about €3,500 it's a small price to pay.
Especially since the HTML5 version has now been removed from the 'restricted while playing a bonus' list at quite a few casinos, there's going to be more players playing it

Ok well if that is the case have you got a link to that thread and info?

If that is the case then ok I take it back slightly but I did say a generic answer anyway that the slot would need to be retested in the post anyway :)
 

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Yes in my world aswell it shouldnt matter. But in the real worl it seems like it does. Or is it just random that all my biggest X bet has been o. 1-2 euros. and now im not talking about 20-50 bonus i have played for about 40k euros and triggerd a lot of bonuses on all betzize that i avalible to play on gonzos quest.
 

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Yeah well the people that think the slots are different just because they was transferred to html5 need their head examined lol. Slots have not been altered in anyway. the RTP and RNG will be the exact same. They can not change the RTP or RNG without the slot being retested over and over again for fairness. Slot providers then will have extra costs involved in that if they did change the RNG and RTP during the transferring process.

Also they would need to publish the new RNG certificate for those games in question as well as the new RTP as well.

The main reason people constantly complain and say they are playing worse is purely because of the way html5 work compared to flash. The slots are much faster and smoother in html5 hence why it feels it plays different. But as I said 100% sure the slots that have been transferred to html5 are exactly the same as the old flash versions just faster and smoother!

This thread:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/page-64#post-897216
 

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Ok well if that is the case have you got a link to that thread and info?

If that is the case then ok I take it back slightly but I did say a generic answer anyway that the slot would need to be retested in the post anyway :)
Ah well, I always do a little research before I post anything, lol

Start reading from Jono's initial post #1245 - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/page-63
and the links from SpinUk's post in the next page
 

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So just because of trancemonkey says it then it is true

Everything i say is true. ;)

Although this next statement is a bit of a paradox:

This statement is false.
 

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Yes in my world aswell it shouldnt matter. But in the real worl it seems like it does. Or is it just random that all my biggest X bet has been o. 1-2 euros. and now im not talking about 20-50 bonus i have played for about 40k euros and triggerd a lot of bonuses on all betzize that i avalible to play on gonzos quest.

lol thanks for the laugh though :)

But if you really think that RNG's are weighted to pay better for higher stakes then you couldn't be more wrong. Ask yourself these questions?

Q: Would a slot providers RNG get passed or approved if the RNG was weighted to favour higher bets?
A: I do not think so.

Q: Would a player then get an advantage?
A: Of course they would.

So take those questions into account and you would then realize how wrong you are in your thinking when it comes to better RNG results on higher bets.
 

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What Kou and Colin Said.....

DoA, Rhino. Monte, heck even Starburst :eek: the maths HAS changed.

Rhino flash has changed also, I'd urge VS management to even take an in depth look at their Rhino.

Nope not a foil hat in site, just plain truths.

I have some contacts at SG that tell me Rhino and Montezuma haven't changed... i trust them.
The DOA stats, and the fact it's now allowed at some casinos, means they have probably (not definitely) turned down the volatility.
Starburst - to change that would be crazy. It's their best game by a country-mile - it would be commercial suicide to risk changing that.
 

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it has to be my bad english so u dont understand me or u are drunk... Im talking after what my own eys se and what have happend when i play.. I really dont give a fuck about rng pmg pps ffh or i bet and press spin and pray.. what im saying is that 90% of megabigwin 100x bet have i got on small bets. then on bigbets 20-30 euros it pays shit.
 

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I have some contacts at SG that tell me Rhino and Montezuma haven't changed... i trust them.
The DOA stats, and the fact it's now allowed at some casinos, means they have probably (not definitely) turned down the volatility.
Starburst - to change that would be crazy. It's their best game by a country-mile - it would be commercial suicide to risk changing that.

I didn't play Rhino enough prevoiusly to comment. But I can't stand playing Rhino at all now. Considering HTML5 is supposedly smoother than flash, the way the reels seem to judder now as they spin, just irritates me too much.
 
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