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Question would you play if this was part of the Terms?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by maxd, Aug 29, 2014.

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If a casino had such a Term (see below) would you ...:

Poll closed Oct 28, 2014.
  1. Never play at such a dodgy establishment! Gorramit!

    95 vote(s)
    93.1%
  2. Consider your options? (read "depends how good the bonus was")

    5 vote(s)
    4.9%
  3. Bite the bullet and press on? Hope for the best, eh?

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  4. Shrug and quote that golden oldie "ask me if I care!"

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
    Aug 29, 2014
  1. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Helloooo Casinomeister-ites,

    Got a question for you and yours. Check out the following casino Term that was recently discovered, take a mo to answer the poll:

     
  2. Aug 29, 2014
  3. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

    Occupation:
    Monster
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    I voted Never Play....

    Reason: From those terms and conditions, it basically says that if you have a dispute and complain to ANYONE but US, then we have the right to Freeze your account.

    I can see this as damage limitation but on the other hand also as a way to sweep things under the carpet. Sorry, that term is dodgy! No reputable Casino would use it.

    Nate
     
    9 people like this.
  4. Aug 29, 2014
  5. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

    Occupation:
    not a lot
    Location:
    glasgow scotland
    Of course not. Why anyone would play some place like that I will never know. I would actually have thought it was an illegal term as they are basically telling you you have no choice but to accept what they say and you cannot go anywhere to complain. Would be like wiiliam hill telling me that I have to accept them not paying me on a winning bet and I am not allowed to go to the gambling commission or something similar.
     
    6 people like this.
  6. Aug 29, 2014
  7. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Other
    Location:
    Right here
    Well coming into this question blindly, I see little difference between this term and many others with regard to being a new player - that is, sometimes it seems like weird, inscrutable terms exist in all casinos (with a few rare exceptions) for the likely purpose of denying a winning player a very juicy payout on the basis of having violated this weird term.

    So yes, I would probably play. I'm also not one to raise many disputes, even when I could, so I doubt I would need to be reminded of this unofficial 'nondisclosure agreement' even in cases where I was unhappy with the resolution of a rare dispute.
     
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  8. Aug 29, 2014
  9. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    I hear you guys! If it were me I'd flip the bird and hit the road but hey, I'm just me. Hence the poll.

    Quite curious how many folks, if any, would simply shrug and press on. There are strange things done 'neath the midnight sun by the men [or women, Loretta] who moil for gold.

    (apologies to the good Mr. Service)
     
  10. Aug 29, 2014
  11. PNEFOREVER2

    PNEFOREVER2 Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Parcel Sorter.
    Location:
    Preston,lancs
    Saw the thread this was posted in and immediately thought it was dodgy.

    It's like you could have a large win, they could refuse to pay you on the smallest technicality, and they would/could only use channels they know would more than likely rule in their favour.

    I'd give it a wide berth.
     
    1 person likes this.
  12. Aug 29, 2014
  13. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Right behind you
    That was a nice way of saying "We are the jury, judge and executioner". What casino have such a term?
     
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  14. Aug 29, 2014
  15. orion

    orion Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    wine. We make it.
    Location:
    deep south of Eu
    no I wouldn't.
     
  16. Aug 29, 2014
  17. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

    Occupation:
    IT Manager
    Location:
    Florida, USA
    With such a variety of reputable places to play at I would never consider playing at any casino that had any terms that I was not comfortable with.
     
  18. Aug 29, 2014
  19. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    Freelance Designer
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    I think people who have never had any problems with casinos previously might just go ahead. Those of us who have experience with having to get someone else to step in to get our money may be a bit more cautious.

    I don't know anything about the casino, but that kind of high-handedness always puts me off a bit. And just imagine, if the casino that Ray and I had the PAB against a few years ago had that term, he might STILL be waiting to get paid from his jackpot win. So personally if I saw that term it would make me really leery about playing there.

    It sort of reminds me of this one resort I saw an article about - they were fining their customers' credit cards $500 for any bad reviews on yelp!
     
    2 people like this.
  20. Aug 29, 2014
  21. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I wonder what those say that are giving this casino their liscence...or they maybe don't have any?
    At least to them there should be a door open but not according to those rules.

    Horrible rules. I need to start reading them.
    Wait...I never sign up anywhere that hasn't been dragged around here for a while :)
     
  22. Aug 29, 2014
  23. asghan

    asghan Experienced Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Gambler
    Location:
    Poland
    I checked their site and they have UK licence, so I guess UKGC approved those terms. And I don't think "third party" includes gambling commissin here.
    They say on their site that if you are unsatisfied from resolution of your complaint the next step is to contact IBAS. So this is only about forums, private mediators etc.

    But of course it is a bad term. There are casinos who don't respond to private mediators, but they don't close your account for complaning.
     
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  24. Aug 29, 2014
  25. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

    Occupation:
    not a lot
    Location:
    glasgow scotland
    Yes that's what I would have thought. But im also taking into account the earlier post that had this..... in particular the one that forbids a user from seeking assistance with a dispute outside of the operator's control .... Which would mean not being able to take it to gambling commission etc. which would be illegal. But even if its about forums what right has anyone to tell you that you can not discuss with people anything to do with your dispute even after its closed or they can close your account.
     
  26. Aug 29, 2014
  27. asghan

    asghan Experienced Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Gambler
    Location:
    Poland
    Which is kinda funny that UKGC has no problem with this. Wasn't UKGC supposed to protect UK players better?
     
  28. Aug 30, 2014
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    It's a proceed with great caution from me (if it wasn't for the UK licence, it would be a "make for the exit"). They cannot enforce the "afterwards" part other than by taking the player to court for libel. The casino would NEVER do this except in the most extreme cases as whatever the outcome, the PR would deal a "killer blow" to their credibility.

    I expect they are trying to protect themselves from fraudsters who use publicity as leverage to blackmail the casino into paying up.

    Showing that something you said is true is a defence to a libel action, and if they take a player to court and lose, the publicity about them trying to get away with ripping off consumers with a dodgy gagging clause would kill the business. Other companies have tried this tack before, and it hasn't worked. If anything, it just makes matters even worse for them when the customer DOES get the media involved.

    The caution is that one would ONLY break this term when 100% certain that all other avenues have been exhausted. This would require considerable patience.
     
  30. Aug 30, 2014
  31. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    It basically gives the casino carte blanche to create a dispute or delay in order to instigate a reaction from the player, who in frustration would likely go public, thus the term becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
    Wouldn't take a p!ss there let alone deposit.:mad:
     
  32. Aug 30, 2014
  33. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Having looked at it, neither would I. I have seen better games at Slotland, the original HTML version!!

    I wonder if the UKGC have even read the terms before granting the licence, I don't think it's something they worry about as other laws already protect consumers against rogue terms.
     
  34. Aug 30, 2014
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I personally think ANY casino with a term like this in it should get a Golden Fast-Track Ticket to the Rogue List!.
    It is totally ludicrous :mad:

    KK
     
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  36. Aug 30, 2014
  37. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    The 'Afterwards' part seals it for me.

    I would always be willing to give the casino a chance to deal with any issue using their own internal review process but once the decision is rendered if they refuse to do the right thing the general public must be made aware.

    The casinos stick together with their blacklists and databases and whatnot. The regulators, for the most part, ignore players complaints so we, the players, must stick together and use forums like this to let other players see how these establishments deal with problems and any casino that seeks to stifle the voices of their players deserves no players.
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2014
    1 person likes this.
  38. Aug 30, 2014
  39. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

    Occupation:
    unemployed
    Location:
    Asia
    if they explicitly put in that PAB via max can be raised and would not breach the terms, I may consider, else never play for me ;);)
     

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