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Question Would You Find This Lag 'Suspicious'?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by brianmon, Aug 15, 2016.

    Aug 15, 2016
  1. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    The game was running ok on previous bonus rounds, and worked fine straight after this bonus.

    So what's with the slow running long spins ONLY during the 5 extra spins

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  2. Aug 15, 2016
  3. bebo67

    bebo67 Meister Member PABnonaccred

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    Lol. I don't know anymore. Being blissfully ignorant would be a great state of mind right now :p
     
  4. Aug 15, 2016
  5. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    Not suspect no just frustrating. Happens allot to me at times ... then the game speeds up again. Just lag ... and crap you missed the wilds needed :(
     
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  6. Aug 15, 2016
  7. bebo67

    bebo67 Meister Member PABnonaccred

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    It goes into a different " speed" mode in bonus, and if you have just a normal computer as oppose to a gaming one, then there will be lag?
     
  8. Aug 15, 2016
  9. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    I have a 'gaming' computer, there's never a problem with any other site, and there's no problem with that particular bonus round UNTIL the 5 extra free spins, and no problem after those spins
     
  10. Aug 15, 2016
  11. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Have it happen too, and i know then it won't complete a WL .....well, maybe coincidence but it happened more than 10 times now in the extra spins or it would start before that already, so it does look suspicious. But whether it has some effect on the result, who knows, probably not.
     
  12. Aug 15, 2016
  13. Pulver

    Pulver Senior Member PABaccred webmeister

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    There are no physical parts or physical wheels in an online slot machine, so why would lag mean that something fishy is going on? There is not a person sitting in real time manipulating the wheel's as they fall.

    I would put it down to slow servers from the casinos side / game providers side, or a slow computer.
     
  14. Aug 15, 2016
  15. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I've been doing some research into game development recently and have been told by two separate game developers that when you licence a game for the UK market now, it has to be certified with one specific RTP figure - no ranges anymore. If you want to have two versions, you need to apply (and pay) for different licences. Plus, game licences are applied for by the developer, not the operator (the operator has a different licence) and are run from remote servers.

    Assuming that is accurate (I've no reason to suspect it's not) then the operator would not have the ability to influence the outcome...to a UK punter at least.

    On the subject of lag: is it me or is it becoming more and more commonplace? I quite often get games slow right down or hang - even at 32red which never used to happen - and have to close the game and re-load it. My Internet isn't the best but it seems OK with everything else I do, including streaming.
     
  16. Aug 15, 2016
  17. chiya

    chiya Experienced Member PABnononaccred

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    I know how some gamblers like to justify their bad luck to casinos manipulating the slot in real time or whatever but that's loads of crap and nothing more. Sure, casinos might have access to editing some stuff in slots (How else would casino X have a RTP of 97% in a slot, but Casino Y have 96% in the same slot?), but real time editing isn't a thing. To begin with, the moment those scatters landed on the screen and the feature triggered, the end result was already set in stone. What happens afterwards is just eye candy and nothing more.
     
  18. Aug 16, 2016
  19. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    2 reasons:

    Firstly the provider (as in the case of RTG) may offer its slots in a range of different math models. RTG Can be 91,93,95,97% IIRC - but trust me you'd NEVER get the silly amount of 2 or 300% bonuses at RTG casinos if they had 97% or even 95%....

    Secondly, and the most likely answer to your question, is that casinos like Videoslots offer CURRENT RTP information on their games. In other words, how much the game had taken and paid just at their specific casino. This may be for all time, or more likely a weekly or daily basis therefore if there have been big winners or very little use of that particular slot the figure may deviate quite significantly from the TRTP you see in the game rules.

    REMEMBER - the RTP you see in the games' pay-tables or rules IS THEORETICAL - the TRTP. This means (in a very basic way disregarding features) that should you put 1 euro on a spin and spin EVERY possible outcome of the reels ONCE you would get back say 96.5% of the cost. This is worked out over millions of combinations. The RTP figures you see at casinos are temporary.

    The confusion occurs because many games providers don't use the correct term 'TRTP' in their rules which is a fixed figure usually, and use the term 'RTP' which is always fluid.
     
  20. Aug 16, 2016
  21. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    VS show both the current RTP month by month and the TRTP for each game. You can search by month ... of course figures in the current RTP vary daily ... but the TRTP does not. At least not by VS stats. I have though noticed in the past as casinos started to publish RTPS that they were varying numbers of the TRTP for the same game served up at different casinos. Not sure if this is still the case as I dont bother checking. Only at VS as its so easy to get that date from the game payouts section.
     
  22. Aug 16, 2016
  23. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Are you running video recording sofware? Was it recording all the time or record when got bonus? Thats most likely the cause, It can eat memory up even thou you was probs recording before this but the memory was probs getting eating up from privous records, CPU ram, If it happens again switch of recording and see what happens
     
  24. Aug 17, 2016
  25. chiya

    chiya Experienced Member PABnononaccred

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    The RTP was just an example however. Casinos do have ability to edit slots to some extent as has been proven times before and I've had personal experience with this as well. The go-to-reference right now is the fact that casinos have these promotions where if you deposit with a code you will be granted a bonus feature on a game .. Which means once you open it and spin once you will immediately trigger it. How would that be possible then?

    The whole point of my post anyways was just to state that it's a false belief if you think games and their results can be edited in real time when the reality is that once you hit that spin button the end result is known already.

    Why the OP has the +5 spins on DoA slow down significantly? Who knows. Real time editing to screw the player over though..? UNLIKELY. Unless you were playing at Casino Triomphe or such :rolleyes:
     
  26. Aug 17, 2016
  27. slotter999

    slotter999 Senior Member

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    Can you provide an example of this?

    Letsgiveitaspin wanted to do something like this and after discussing with the casinos I believe the only way to actually do this was grant unlimited spins until a player actually triggered a feature so intrigued to know who / where this is being done.
     
  28. Aug 17, 2016
  29. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    A well known accredited casino had the deal, 1 spin guarantee feature super spin, I forget what casino now, I think thrills

    just found this, not for today,

    DAILY RAFFLE
    Win a Thrill Spin worth €5 today and tomorrow. In order to qualify for this special Free Spin make sure to deposit and to wager the deposit amount at least once. If you are a winner of a Thrill Spin you can use this Thrill Spin for guaranteed access to the bonus round of a particular game. This way you can play more while making great winnings.
     
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  30. Aug 17, 2016
  31. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    I have come across this before also.

    It was a Quickspin slot and was at Guts casino where a certain deposit based promotion guaranteed players a free spins/bonus round on the slot.

    I PM'ed Yits at the time, politely pointing out the potential 'can of worms' and 'tin foil' scenarios this could and probably would lead to.

    Digging through old PM's at the moment trying to find his response.

    Although I cannot recall the exact details of his response at the time, I do know it was 100% above board and genuine explanation of how they do this and at no time did I feel any untoward manipulations were taking place, past, present or future.

    Until now I had totally forgot about it to be honest and still carry out my weekly deposits as normal, something I would have stopped a long time ago if I felt even the slightest 'dodgy dealings' were going on under the table so to speak!

    Edit: Must have deleted PM as cannot find it but as I say, all above board with nothing to make me think otherwise or have any doubts.

    Also in relation to OP, just sat and watched 7 of my DOA videos that I have saved and none of the extra 5 spins appear to lag or spin differently to the original 12 FS
     
  32. Aug 18, 2016
  33. chiya

    chiya Experienced Member PABnononaccred

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    Yeah Thrills is one of the casinos that have had these promos. Some other casinos too, but as I've never actually been able to partake in them I don't remember the name of the casinos.

    Whether the reason they can do this is actually legit or not it's still irrelevant as I already know for a fact casinos have certain power over their games as I have personal experience with such case from few years back .. I've told the same story so many times that I sound like a broken record by now but here it is again I guess..

    Paf.com gave out free scratch cards to it's players on a promotion (This was a NetEnt game mind you). All of these scratch cards had a potential win of 2€ and no more. This meant that regardless of whether the card was a winner or a loser, the MAX win was 2€. With at least 15-20 people I '' knew '' (another forum) discussing this and with 5 cards per player, it's practically impossible that all 5 cards on 15-20 players would all have a max win of 2€ if the cards weren't tampered with.

    Of course after players started talking and complaining about this PAF chalked it up to as a '' technical error '' in the game and then gave out some freebie cards in the same game and those cards did not have a max win of 2€. I find it extremely unlikely the game just happened to have a technical error on the day they gave out those free games on it.
     
  34. Aug 18, 2016
  35. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Take the scratch card for instance you just talked about having a max cap,

    If a casino can chuck a guarantee bonus round than whats saying they are not set to only give a max win out? If its possible for a guaranteed bonus round than I am sure other things can be tweaked,

    I would like to see that reply Jon's lost, Or a good explanation how this is done,

    My suggestions is that they take an already bonus round thats been played in the past and use one of those for your win, If this is the case than they could only pick out the winning ones with certain amount, Basically they can pick and chose the top prize and lowest, If using an already previous win

     
  36. Aug 18, 2016
  37. slotter999

    slotter999 Senior Member

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    The reason I asked the question wasn't because I was suggesting anything untoward...I just wondered which provider / game was able to do this. Personally I think the idea of a guaranteed bonus round is a great idea. I'd even take it one step further and like the ability to 'buy' bonus rounds instead spinning to get them....like a big bet option or something.
     
  38. Aug 18, 2016
  39. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Quickspin I was lead to believe :thumbsup:

    I HAVE to convince myself that the ONLY control they have is for the feature/bonus round to trigger.

    Once its triggered then the rest is up to a random server result as per a normal spin or naturally triggered feature.

    Maybe (but unlikely :p) a rep could chime in to reassure those that need it but this is the can or worms I previously warned about when I first saw this 'opportunity' appear.

    Maybe I should go into fortune telling :rolleyes:
     

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