Your Input Please Would you feel something was amiss if....

[JackMack]

You low-rolled (say 35c spins average) and had made $1,000 deposits and no cashouts and then...
Same casino lost $160 in consecutive deposits low-rolling without hitting a bonus round and with an RTP of 46%?
And this after playing another slot same casino and losing $120 at 60c spins without a bonus and 45% RTP. :notworthy

I know we all have bad runs but these are going on for dozens of deposits at a time and without any mega wins or big withdrawals just to offset things.
I have been a $100 up here and there without cashing out but very rarely and and that soon disappears with a crazy losing streak then it is deposit after deposit without ever getting in front and no game time.

So what would you think?
Have you been getting any similar results at casinos?
At what point do we stop trusting it is just bad luck?

I won't name and shame again as witch hunts become tiresome but I have an extremely hard time believing such casinos can be on the level.
Oh well it all helps toward my universal audit if I ever get it and when I do I will pay for an independent data analyst to see just how far outside standard deviation my overall results are - assuming I am imagining losing all this money with shocking returns most everywhere I play.

 

[dionysus]

Stick with a tried and true accredited casino, and sure, while you may have thoughts, theyre really just unfounded ones...luck sucks....you can go ages good runs, ages poor ones......(expect more poor ones)

When to stop trusting? Don't stress the big boys - theyve too much to lose to cheat you, and Hell, theyve already house edge.
When to stop playing? When it's no longer fun or you cant afford to lose your dep.

 

[Harry_BKK]

You low-rolled (say 35c spins average) and had made $1,000 deposits and no cashouts and then...
Same casino lost $160 in consecutive deposits low-rolling without hitting a bonus round and with an RTP of 46%?
And this after playing another slot same casino and losing $120 at 60c spins without a bonus and 45% RTP. :notworthy

I know we all have bad runs but these are going on for dozens of deposits at a time and without any mega wins or big withdrawals just to offset things.
I have been a $100 up here and there without cashing out but very rarely and and that soon disappears with a crazy losing streak then it is deposit after deposit without ever getting in front and no game time.

So what would you think?
Have you been getting any similar results at casinos?
At what point do we stop trusting it is just bad luck?

I won't name and shame again as witch hunts become tiresome but I have an extremely hard time believing such casinos can be on the level.
Oh well it all helps toward my universal audit if I ever get it and when I do I will pay for an independent data analyst to see just how far outside standard deviation my overall results are - assuming I am imagining losing all this money with shocking returns most everywhere I play.

Jack, you really need to chill out.

YOU ARE GAMBLING!!! If you can't take the heat or can't afford the losses then stop gambling, simple as that!!! Opening every other day a thread where you complain about your poor gaming results is certainly not contributing to this forum. It just shows that you are a sore loser.

How many more threads will you start to express your unhappiness???

FYI, i went from 2nd June to beginning of August over 130 deposits without a withdrawal and had some seriously poor sessions. But that is gambling Jack. Did you see me complaining about it or running around like a crazy chicken claiming it is all rigged by the casinos?

Grow up mate, learn to chill and either take your losses on the chin or quite gambling!!!! Just stop this useless threads!!!

 

[JackMack]

Stick with a tried and true accredited casino, and sure, while you may have thoughts, theyre really just unfounded ones...luck sucks....you can go ages good runs, ages poor ones......(expect more poor ones)

When to stop trusting? Don't stress the big boys - theyve too much to lose to cheat you, and Hell, theyve already house edge.
When to stop playing? When it's no longer fun or you cant afford to lose your dep.

Yeah the when to stop is definitely there, no fun anymore.
I have enough data now anyway so time to cut my losses.
The HE should be enough to keep the big boys honest but it never stopped big operations cheating before.
It never stopped billionaires defrauding the tax man either.
Just a percent here and percent there can make millions and greed is always a good motivator.

 

[dionysus]

Yeah the when to stop is definitely there, no fun anymore.
I have enough data now anyway so time to cut my losses.
The HE should be enough to keep the big boys honest but it never stopped big operations cheating before.
It never stopped billionaires defrauding the tax man either.
Just a percent here and percent there can make millions and greed is always a good motivator.

If you stress everyone can and might rob you, best to give up all together. You need faith, it is online

 

[JackMack]

Jack, you really need to chill out.

YOU ARE GAMBLING!!! If you can't take the heat or can't afford the losses then stop gambling, simple as that!!! Opening every other day a thread where you complain about your poor gaming results is certainly not contributing to this forum. It just shows that you are a sore loser.

How many more threads will you start to express your unhappiness???

FYI, i went from 2nd June to beginning of August over 130 deposits without a withdrawal and had some seriously poor sessions. But that is gambling Jack. Did you see me complaining about it or running around like a crazy chicken claiming it is all rigged by the casinos?

Grow up mate, learn to chill and either take your losses on the chin or quite gambling!!!! Just stop this useless threads!!!

I don't know Harry, how many threads have I opened this year complaining about losses, is it 2 or 3?
Hardly every other day is it?
Anyway my threads always seem to attract you so you shouldn't complain.
It is kind of odd how my threads get you so upset yet a 130 deposits without a withdrawal didn't ruffle your feathers?

I think you find that gambling is win some lose some and lose a bit more Harry not lose endlessly with ridiculously low RTP.
The TRTP of slots is supposed to be set at around 96% which gives the house a decent profit but the player a little game time - as a rule of thumb.
Naturally some games are higher variance and some lower.
Playing higher variance I would expect more low RTP sessions but I would expect those to be offset by the occasional high RTP session, ultimately adding up to 96% over a decent sample size.
When you are getting closer to 85% as I suspect my results with NetEnt are close to over all games and a huge sample size then you would need to be naive to just put that down to gambling and bad luck.

Frankly my dear Harry I don't give damn what your results are - that is a matter for you.
I only care about my results because I can be sure of the data.

Either my results will be proved to be within the norm or they will not.
Fear not though because other than updating the existing thread here and there I shan't be opening anymore bad luck story threads.
I will of course expect you to hound people who open good luck story threads int he same manner though.

 

[JackMack]

If you stress everyone can and might rob you, best to give up all together. You need faith, it is online

Very true.
But I'm hoping we can have something a little more tangible to rely on one day.

 

[MightyDuck]

I think you find that gambling is win some lose some and lose a bit more Harry not lose endlessly with ridiculously low RTP.
The TRTP of slots is supposed to be set at around 96% which gives the house a decent profit but the player a little game time - as a rule of thumb.
Naturally some games are higher variance and some lower.
Playing higher variance I would expect more low RTP sessions but I would expect those to be offset by the occasional high RTP session, ultimately adding up to 96% over a decent sample size.
When you are getting closer to 85% as I suspect my results with NetEnt are close to over all games and a huge sample size then you would need to be naive to just put that down to gambling and bad luck.

What do you call a decent sample size? 10,000,000 spins?

 

[snotter999]

Thousands without a withdrawal!

I would be pissed off too.
BUT it makes me wonder what you are playing?
Are you playing the same games all the time and/or the same provider, Netent,Micro etc.

Are you expecting too much of a win before you allow yourself to withdraw?
I don't know but maybe you need to rethink your strategy!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Anyway my threads always seem to attract you so you shouldn't complain.
It is kind of odd how my threads get you so upset yet a 130 deposits without a withdrawal didn't ruffle your feathers?

Because i only gamble with money i can lose, and that easily.
Secondly, my experience showed that things will turn around at some point which then happened in August ending the month with a healthy ~~15K profit.

 

[Harry_BKK]

130 deposits without a withdrawal!

I would be pissed off too.
BUT it makes me wonder what you are playing?
Are you playing the same games all the time and/or the same provider, Netent,Micro etc.

Are you expecting too much of a win before you allow yourself to withdraw?
I don't know but maybe you need to rethink your strategy!

There was indeed some hard toiling involved. However, quite a few times i would be 50-200$ ahead but decided to keep playing. Hence, it wasn't always super bad.

I played Netent & MG. I have about 10 slots that i play regularly but do venture out if i can't win anything with those.

As mentioned in my previous post it all turned around in August.

 

[brianmon]

What do you call a decent sample size? 10,000,000 spins?

Exactly. he claims to have got an rtp of 85%.

To have a sample size of 10,000,000 spins achieve 85% at 0.36c he would need to have spent and lost $540,000
To have a sample size of 1,000,000 spins achieve 85% at 0.36c he would need to have spent and lost $54,000

He looks to have lost about $2,000, which would give a maximum of 37,038 spins at 36c to achieve 85%

Assuming the bonus round happens on average every 160 spins (or every $57.60 wagered), he would be looking at having achieved about 231 bonus rounds. 231 bonus rounds on a HV slot like DOA without a big win is NOTHING.

Also, his profile says he's from England, so why's he playing in $

 

[KasinoKing]

You low-rolled (say 35c spins average) and had made $1,000 deposits and no cashouts and then...
Same casino lost $160 in consecutive deposits low-rolling without hitting a bonus round and with an RTP of 46%?
And this after playing another slot same casino and losing $120 at 60c spins without a bonus and 45% RTP. :notworthy

So what would you think?
Have you been getting any similar results at casinos?
At what point do we stop trusting it is just bad luck?

I think you are playing something like Dead or Alive?
Your results would not be surprising if it is a high-variance slot like that.

Unless you are playing some really obscure software, WHERE you play doesn't make any difference - the casino can't "fiddle" with the games.

I do understand how you feel though, I have a APPALLINGLY bad record playing Rapunzel's Tower at Betsafe
I don't know what my life-time RTP on this game is - but it FEELS like about 50%.
Why do I keep going back for more punishment? I guess it's just because I can't believe the game can be consistently shite for month after month...
(I did have some good wins on it the first 2 or 3 times I played it).
I have lost €1,000's on it over the last 18 months - I need to stop, but I can't help the feeling "it owes me a good session".

Also, his profile says he's from England, so why's he playing in $

Well I'm from England too - but I also play in $ at LOADS of casinos: eg: 3Dice, 32Red, Casino Rewards casinos, several RTGs, and most Rival casinos (until they blocked the UK recently )
Makes no difference - UK players can usually chose to play in any currency they want.
(I chose $ because that is the currency of my Neteller account, which I opened way back when most casino ONLY had $US)

KK

 

[Jono777]

As you are probably aware I've been slotting online about 12 years.

During this time I can share your experience to a degree with relation to 'Unlucky Casinos'

Again I won't name and shame but there are a couple of places where my game time / RTP was ALWAYS terrible, whilst experiencing a 50/50 at most of the others I play at.

Now I never thought anything of this other than 'Why am I depositing here when I never win' why not put today's deposit on a place that seems to give me more luck!

Then going onto convince myself that 'I have to win here sooner of later' discovering that that day never came.

I never SE or close accounts for reasons I've explained in past posts but in this case I made a stance that 'No more deposits for Unlucky casinos' and stuck to it.

Can't really compare to anything other than 'I don't like Cider so I don't drink it'

Stick to the places where your deposits have lasted longer and don't SE but avoid the places where you have experienced these low RTP's.

In closing tho, it is all just luck on the day, nothing more, nothing less