Whine and Moan Worst Ever TSII Experience

[dunover]

I've just had the worst MG experience ever here. Update later.

Right, at risk of being called a foil-hatter, I must relate this which occurred an hour ago.
When I open a new account on an MG casino, I always play TSII until I have had 20 bonus rounds, i.e. turned the hall of spins gold. Just my little foible, and I keep a mental note of how long it took and how much cash. I also play a little game with myself concerning the 2 scatters on 1-4 whereby you get the 'heartstopper' spin for the 3rd. i.e. I've had 30 heartstoppers and got bonus round on heartstoppers 5,13,14 and 26 out of 30. I've never waited more than 15 in over 60 MG casinos I've played.

So, Wintingo got a deposit. As usual before I play I place a weekly/monthly limit. 200 in this case. When I made my first deposit CS live chat opened and they were over me like a rash. Got their 'innovative' bonus. 60P a play, 30 deposit. Now, I KNOW TSII goes on dead runs where you see little but 3-reel sh!tters for tens of spins, sometimes over a 100. You can go over a thousand without a bonus round. kktmd? recently ran a million spins on TSII and had an extreme of 1200-odd. You can go a few hundred spins without seeing 5oak characters/characters with wild. Hundreds without shitstorm. In my years of gaming I know this.

But never at the same time - until now. I deposited 30, 25, 45, 50 and 50. Well over a thousand spins at 60p.

21 heartstoppers NOT ONE BONUS ROUND.
Over 500 spins before getting a shitstorm. 5 x stake,
600 spins before I got 5oak characters (lowest as in boats!)
Highest win 5 kings with 2 wilds.
Not one deposit went up over the deposit amount.
Didn't even hit 4 characters with wilds more than twice aside from the 5 boats mentioned above.
Played over 1k spins before busting out.

Funnily enough, CS spying on me went AWOL when my 200 was spent - pointless talking to a man who can't deposit anymore, eh??
I tried to connect to live chat you see, to ask my RTP and gave up waiting.

I am an experienced player. I expect to lose overall. I have lost bigger amounts without batting an eyelid. No complaints.

This however, was something else. I have never seen an MG TSII play like this, even nearly as badly when joining a new MG casino. I have noticed that places that offer MG proprietary software on flash only with no download casino do tend to play worse than branded MG-only casinos, but not like this.

So, over 1K spins. 1 poor shitstorm. NO bonus rounds, something I have never seen for this length of play at a new casino. No decent reel wins. no raises over deposit, just constant, steady and regular attrition of funds. My worst ever MG experience. I am not naive; RTP will come over more than 1k spins. This was not usual, never seen before. Even by the time I had lost 100 I was getting a bad bad feeling about the game. After the first 30 lost in a matter of minutes, the CS (spying/hovering to get me to redeposit) recommended "don't play 10,000 wins on 1 slot but move about - raise your stake and a few other gems of his wisdom.

OK, call me names, but at my age I trust my instinct - something doesn't feel right about this place. I would be interested to hear how others have fared. I'm going to close a/c (when they can talk to me) because I simply don't trust the place. Remember, if I thought this was just a 'bad run' I wouldn't be mentioning it. Something wasn't right. BE CAREFUL if you are regular MG players.

 

[dunover]

In retrospect, I would have (considering the above) been better off with the traditional SUB. I would have lost half the 200 in real cash and 100 of theirs in bonus before realizing something was amiss. Please do not have the experience there that I just have.

I finally got through to chat. This is the result:


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:40:06 pm

Hello and welcome. How are you today?


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:40:59 pm

Right I've tried contacting your rep on casinomesiter earlier, concerning the impossibly poor play of your TSII slot. I asked for my RTP too


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:41:30 pm

I'm sorry, I don't understand how can I help you


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:41:49 pm

RTP What is my current RTP


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:41:56 pm

what is RTP?


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:42:14 pm

You don't know?


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:42:29 pm

please write the full words


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:42:41 pm

Return to player (percentage)


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:43:03 pm

do you mean the cashpay?


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:43:16 pm

cashpay?


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:43:27 pm

the cash back promotion


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:43:53 pm

NO the return to player, i.e. performance of the game


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:44:17 pm

Please write an email to support@wintingo.com and they will help you!


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:45:56 pm

I've tried contacting your rep. I have had my worst ever gamplay in years on your feed of TSII. Unbelievably bad. If someone had told me thay just had my session, I'd think they were lying to me.


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:46:08 pm

I'm sorry to hear that, please send an e-mail with all your requests


and nobody is lying to you


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:46:52 pm

I never said anyone was lying to me! I was speaking hypothetically.


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:46:56 pm

ok


dun Thu, 3/7/2013 09:47:40 pm

Nevermind, thanks for your time. I'll try the rep again. Or the e-mail. Cheers.


Bye


Stefano Thu, 3/7/2013 09:47:54 pm

anytime, good night


Duration: 00:08:01

 

[Nifty29]

I will just say this again for those that may have missed it the other 923 times.

All MGS games have universally set TRTPs I.e. they are NOT operator configurable.

Dunover, you're playing a HIGH VARIANCE game. The experience you had is NORMAL I.e. not unusual, within expectations.

I just don't understand why someone who is obviously intelligent has to try and turn their losses into a conspiracy.

I also think your posts are inappropriate for this thread topic.

 

[dunover]

I will just say this again for those that may have missed it the other 923 times.

All MGS games have universally set TRTPs I.e. they are NOT operator configurable.

Dunover, you're playing a HIGH VARIANCE game. The experience you had is NORMAL I.e. not unusual, within expectations.

I just don't understand why someone who is obviously intelligent has to try and turn their losses into a conspiracy.

I also think your posts are inappropriate for this thread topic.

With all due, you weren't where I was. TSII is not a high variance game. I have truly never seen anything like it. My losses were light, not the issue here. Ask yourself (given what you just said above) why I have bothered to post all this? This was something else. Trust me, it was. As I have already said, the 'unlucky' events I have mentioned do occur, I accept that. Combined together is unique in my experience, and as a paying player I have the right to ask for the RTP.

 

[Sovietsky]

I had a really shitty time at immortal romance once 500 spins and not a single wild desire or bonus. Got 5 of a kind a few times but never a big win. Got like 5 ambers without a wild and when i got 5 of a kind with a wild it was like a 9 or 10.

So I changed to TS2 and played 500 spins there and got 1 shitstorm with 1 wild that payed 0 and no bonus.

 

[mrmark21]

With all due, you weren't where I was. TSII is not a high variance game. I have truly never seen anything like it. My losses were light, not the issue here. Ask yourself (given what you just said above) why I have bothered to post all this? This was something else. Trust me, it was. As I have already said, the 'unlucky' events I have mentioned do occur, I accept that. Combined together is unique in my experience, and as a paying player I have the right to ask for the RTP.

Maybe you had a streak of bad luck? That's nothing unusual with Microgaming

I seem to have worse luck on Microgaming when I'm not playing with a bonus. Did you make a withdrawal at another MG casino within the last few days?

The customer support had no idea what RTP meant?

 

[dunover]

Maybe you had a streak of bad luck? That's nothing unusual with Microgaming

I seem to have worse luck on Microgaming when I'm not playing with a bonus. Did you make a withdrawal at another MG casino within the last few days?

The customer support had no idea what RTP meant?

If it was, this was a bad one like no other. As for playing with a bonus, this shouldn't make a difference, although I tend to agree that is the case often. No, CS didn't know lol....

 

[mrmark21]

If it was, this was a bad one like no other. As for playing with a bonus, this shouldn't make a difference, although I tend to agree that is the case often. No, CS didn't know lol....

Maybe the management at Wintingo could provide better training for customer support

As for you're experience... I'm sure you'll get a good session next time, I'm not so sure I will though

 

[tinybettor]

Your experience is actually quite the norm with me. Plenty of times and I can never go over my initial deposit and there have been a few sessions where it took a few hundred spins until getting my first bonus. I hear some people say that if you're getting lots of scatters then it means its running hot and the bonus will come soon enough. Not sure if there's any validity to that claim, however from my experience, it actually means worse playtime as the base game would usually be dead cold apart from the constant noise of scatter drops which make it seem like plenty of action is going on.

I do think this is just a normal cold session, albeit very cold, but as you know with slots there always comes a session where you just cant hit anything to even save your life, which is what I believe you have experienced. The other sessions were probably the normal runs. I would definitely love to see what a slot that is hot looks like, because frrankly I have yet to experience one.

 

[dunover]

Your experience is actually quite the norm with me. Plenty of times and I can never go over my initial deposit and there have been a few sessions where it took a few hundred spins until getting my first bonus. I hear some people say that if you're getting lots of scatters then it means its running hot and the bonus will come soon enough. Not sure if there's any validity to that claim, however from my experience, it actually means worse playtime as the base game would usually be dead cold apart from the constant noise of scatter drops which make it seem like plenty of action is going on.

I do think this is just a normal cold session, albeit very cold, but as you know with slots there always comes a session where you just cant hit anything to even save your life, which is what I believe you have experienced. The other sessions were probably the normal runs. I would definitely love to see what a slot that is hot looks like, because frrankly I have yet to experience one.

If it had been a 'few hundred spins' before bonus I woldn't even be on this thread. It is now well over 1k, or 2 1/2 hours (see my last post to explain more.)

 

[dunover]

Maybe the management at Wintingo could provide better training for customer support

As for you're experience... I'm sure you'll get a good session next time, I'm not so sure I will though

Right, just to update this. The rep has promised to get back to me about RTP etc. and kindly released the bonus I hadn't used under their cashpay basis. This session was another disaster; 97 spins at 60p from over £38. I haven't worked RTP out for that, I'd say around 40-45% but here is the game report jpg:



As soon as I started playing, I KNEW the same pattern would be repeated, just that bad gut feeling. Sure enough, 5 9's and 5 10's were best wins. No bonus round or wildstorm, no 5 character wins and not even a single 4 character win! Now I am close to the 1200-spin bonus-free period that kktmd? did on his million-spin research on TSII (another thread but a great reference point.) The thing is, I have seen the 1200 spin bonus-free period myself once, but like the 1 million spin research, it was AFTER the bonus round had occurred many times already. I haven't even had one.
I may paste my 'achievements' jpg here, and I challenge ANYONE to play 1000+ spins on a 'new' TSII and get one anywhere near as poor.

People my criticize me posting this, but the way I see it is that people are quite rightly eager to post exceptional wins/screenshots here for our admiration. I am merely doing the same, but for something exceptionally bad, worse than I've seen in years of playing at over 60 MG casinos on the same slot. The money I have lost isn't big, and I have lost more since I've been a CM member which I have never mentioned as I played for ages, or could have w/d at a small or bigger profit and chose not to - in other words had a game for my money. I have played ultra HV slots such as BDBA and DoA and lost, but not like this.

My 'achievements' after 2 hours 15 minutes, 6 deposits:

 

[michielm1]

its obvious that MGs pays a hell of a lot more when a bonus is attached to your balance. time and time again it happened to me. so i only play 1st dep bonus with high stake, so if i hit then, i can grind out a decent win. after this no more bonus, but also no more wins. allthough at 32 red it dont matter. there i never ever get any form of chance...

this wintingo and also Epoca are new mgs flas casino's, i avoid them after having taken a look. the look like they run on software that predates windows xp and i think this is too easy to manipulate if one would want.

 

[michielm1]

Right, just to update this. The rep has promised to get back to me about RTP etc. and kindly released the bonus I hadn't used under their cashpay basis. This session was another disaster; 97 spins at 60p from over £38. I haven't worked RTP out for that, I'd say around 40-45% but here is the game report jpg:

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As soon as I started playing, I KNEW the same pattern would be repeated, just that bad gut feeling. Sure enough, 5 9's and 5 10's were best wins. No bonus round or wildstorm, no 5 character wins and not even a single 4 character win! Now I am close to the 1200-spin bonus-free period that kktmd? did on his million-spin research on TSII (another thread but a great reference point.) The thing is, I have seen the 1200 spin bonus-free period myself once, but like the 1 million spin research, it was AFTER the bonus round had occurred many times already. I haven't even had one.
I may paste my 'achievements' jpg here, and I challenge ANYONE to play 1000+ spins on a 'new' TSII and get one anywhere near as poor.

People my criticize me posting this, but the way I see it is that people are quite rightly eager to post exceptional wins/screenshots here for our admiration. I am merely doing the same, but for something exceptionally bad, worse than I've seen in years of playing at over 60 MG casinos on the same slot. The money I have lost isn't big, and I have lost more since I've been a CM member which I have never mentioned as I played for ages, or could have w/d at a small or bigger profit and chose not to - in other words had a game for my money. I have played ultra HV slots such as BDBA and DoA and lost, but not like this.

My 'achievements' after 2 hours 15 minutes, 6 deposits:

View attachment 38535

SICK

 

[dunover]

SICK

Yes, sums up what I'm feeling.

 

[Mouche12]

I had once managed to get my $300 deposit over $ 5000, TSII is one of my favourites - so I started betting $15 a spin, and stupid me, I played it all back, the entire 5K - so yeah, it can drain your funds big time!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I know we sing from the same hymn sheet on a lot of gambling related matters dunover, and I think we also share some of the same opinions about MG as well, I also know you've been around the block a few times so you wouldn't start a thread like this just to shit-stir, and that you obviously feel something is wrong in this case.

But, and there is a but, 1200 spins is nothing on ANY slot as a sample size, let alone a high variance slot like TSII, and TSII is a high variance slot.

Random games WILL DO insane and amazing things from time to time, be they amazingly horrible or amazingly nice. I was playing at Jackpot Party the other week and someone there triggered the Jackpot Party Progressive feature twice in four spins at a £1.20 stake, there are people who have played there for MONTHS at similar stakes and never seen it once - this sort of stuff happens.

I'm not wanting to go off-topic here because I know this is about TSII, but hand on heart dunover I think you've just hit a really bad patch and it's coincidentally occurred a new casino. If, and it's a very big 'if', MG can and/or do alter their RTPs for different casinos, I really can't imagine them doing so for a relatively small operator like Wintingo. (And personally speaking, I think their games play the same everywhere, I've still got my suspicions about their streaky behaviour, but that's a different kettle of fish.) And even if they had done it for Wintingo, 1200 spins doesn't even get you close to being able to draw any conclusions.

The one thing that's really made me realise just how mad random slots can behave is my MEGA-STARBURST EXPERIENCE, whereby I set about getting the full screen of bars for the jackpot of a modest 500x stake. Even on a really low variance slot like that, the peaks and troughs it was able to generate just through rare random runs of chance was a real eye-opener.

As you might recall I put over 300,000 spins through that slot, and I did it the 'hard way' in terms of actually having the slot spinning for real (albeit in free play) for tens upon tens upon hundreds of hours, and I was genuinely surprised at what even such a tame slot was capable of doing in terms of swings in profit and loss.

For the record here dunover, I agree with you entirely that your run on TSII at Wintingo was 'exceptionally bad', but I don't think it's anything outside the realms of what could be expected on occasion from a random high variance slot, particularly over such a small sample size.

 

[Nifty29]

Excellent post Chops. Nice work.

If there was a post of the week award still I would have nominated this one.

TSII IS a HIGH variance slot. I'm not sure why Dunover thinks otherwise.....although it should be obvious now I should think.

I actually agree with the OP that people can and should post about good luck and bad, huge hits and suck outs. I've done it. The problem for me is when it becomes a "something isn't right" or "they've tickled the TRTP" accusation/suggestion. It becomes about something else entirely, and imo these kinds of accusations....and they are just that....should be either backed up with real evidence like the finsoft fiasco (notice I didn't give that guy any grief), or the player should submit a PAB......if I thought for a second I was being stooged I wouldn't be able to fill out the PAB form quick enough.

The OP has been around long enough to know how slots and randomness and RTP and variance work. If they don't, then I suggest they do some reading, as absolutely nothing whatsoever the OP has presented in this thread suggests anything other than bad luck. If one isn't prepared to take long bad streaks, one should avoid high variance slots.

 

[LaHutti]

Good post Chopley, even though I still don't understand why you're amazed that you never hit the full screen of bars on Starstruck I told you, you would never see it, the day you started your project.
Low variance slots are made, to consistently pay out 94.8% of what you put in, and "save" 0.2% for the very very rare jp, especially over 100 of thousands of spins, that should be clear as water, and that's exactly what starstruck does, so to hit the jp on it, would be just as exceptional as to hit a jp on the highest variance slot you can find. Your best chance of hitting "the jp" on any slot, I believe, is to find a medium variance slot, and grind away on that, even though (and that's the reason why) the jp won't be as great.

Sorry for the derail.....

 

[dunover]

I had once managed to get my $300 deposit over $ 5000, TSII is one of my favourites - so I started betting $15 a spin, and stupid me, I played it all back, the entire 5K - so yeah, it can drain your funds big time!

Yes, and you obviously had some gameplay to get to 5k in the first place.

 

[dunover]

I know we sing from the same hymn sheet on a lot of gambling related matters dunover, and I think we also share some of the same opinions about MG as well, I also know you've been around the block a few times so you wouldn't start a thread like this just to shit-stir, and that you obviously feel something is wrong in this case.

But, and there is a but, 1200 spins is nothing on ANY slot as a sample size, let alone a high variance slot like TSII, and TSII is a high variance slot.

Random games WILL DO insane and amazing things from time to time, be they amazingly horrible or amazingly nice. I was playing at Jackpot Party the other week and someone there triggered the Jackpot Party Progressive feature twice in four spins at a £1.20 stake, there are people who have played there for MONTHS at similar stakes and never seen it once - this sort of stuff happens.

I'm not wanting to go off-topic here because I know this is about TSII, but hand on heart dunover I think you've just hit a really bad patch and it's coincidentally occurred a new casino. If, and it's a very big 'if', MG can and/or do alter their RTPs for different casinos, I really can't imagine them doing so for a relatively small operator like Wintingo. (And personally speaking, I think their games play the same everywhere, I've still got my suspicions about their streaky behaviour, but that's a different kettle of fish.) And even if they had done it for Wintingo, 1200 spins doesn't even get you close to being able to draw any conclusions.

The one thing that's really made me realise just how mad random slots can behave is my MEGA-STARBURST EXPERIENCE, whereby I set about getting the full screen of bars for the jackpot of a modest 500x stake. Even on a really low variance slot like that, the peaks and troughs it was able to generate just through rare random runs of chance was a real eye-opener.

As you might recall I put over 300,000 spins through that slot, and I did it the 'hard way' in terms of actually having the slot spinning for real (albeit in free play) for tens upon tens upon hundreds of hours, and I was genuinely surprised at what even such a tame slot was capable of doing in terms of swings in profit and loss.

For the record here dunover, I agree with you entirely that your run on TSII at Wintingo was 'exceptionally bad', but I don't think it's anything outside the realms of what could be expected on occasion from a random high variance slot, particularly over such a small sample size.

I would say medium to high variance. I have NEVER once accused Wintingo of nailing RTP's (even if they could) and I have seen bad runs on TSII before, as I have huge experience of the bloody slot. TOO MANY COINCIDENCES HERE -

1. Have never gone 25 heartstoppers without bonus round, whether at a 'virgin' TSII or an established one I have played tens of thouands of spins on.
2. Have never done 1k+ spins on a virgin TSII without bonus round.
3. It took an experiment a million spins to miss a bonus round for 1.2k of them AFTER BONUSES HAD ALREADY BEEN HAD.
4. Never not hit 5oak with wilds in my first few hundred spins.
5. Never seen only 1 'bellringer' (ie. 'big' win which in TSII's case triggers at 15+ times stake) in 1k+ spins.
6. No 4oak characters with wilds more than twice in 1k.
7. 1 shitstorm the whole time.
8. Not once two wilds reels 1&2.
9. Virtually all wins capped at 3 reels.
10. Getting few 5 line wins, only on letter symbols and usually without wilds (see the 'achievements' lol photo)

Yes people, I have had all of these low-return events before individually on TSII (established) and mainly after good runs previous.

But not at the same time. And on a virgin TSII.

Put it this way, if you said to me 'Dunover, I've opened a new MG account and am going to play TSII and I'm either going to have a game report like you or get a 5-reel sh!tstorm' I would favour the sh!tstorm.

 

[Nifty29]

I would say medium to high variance. I have NEVER once accused Wintingo of nailing RTP's (even if they could) and I have seen bad runs on TSII before, as I have huge experience of the bloody slot. TOO MANY COINCIDENCES HERE -

1. Have never gone 25 heartstoppers without bonus round, whether at a 'virgin' TSII or an established one I have played tens of thouands of spins on.
2. Have never done 1k+ spins on a virgin TSII without bonus round.
3. It took an experiment a million spins to miss a bonus round for 1.2k of them AFTER BONUSES HAD ALREADY BEEN HAD.
4. Never not hit 5oak with wilds in my first few hundred spins.
5. Never seen only 1 'bellringer' (ie. 'big' win which in TSII's case triggers at 15+ times stake) in 1k+ spins.
6. No 4oak characters with wilds more than twice in 1k.
7. 1 shitstorm the whole time.
8. Not once two wilds reels 1&2.
9. Virtually all wins capped at 3 reels.
10. Getting few 5 line wins, only on letter symbols and usually without wilds (see the 'achievements' lol photo)

Yes people, I have had all of these low-return events before individually on TSII (established) and mainly after good runs previous.

But not at the same time. And on a virgin TSII.

Put it this way, if you said to me 'Dunover, I've opened a new MG account and am going to play TSII and I'm either going to have a game report like you or get a 5-reel sh!tstorm' I would favour the sh!tstorm.

There are some facts you are ignoring here:

1. It makes NO difference whether it is the first time you have played TSII or any other slot at a casino.....the TRTP is EXACTLY the same.

2. What you experienced was an UNUSUALLY BAD but NORMAL run of poor payouts.

3. TSII IS a HIGH variance slot.

4. TRTP is NOT operator configurable on MGS platforms.

5. 1200 spins is not even approaching being remotely close enough to sufficient to judge the TRTP of the game.

If you don't accept all of the above, then you ARE saying that Wintingo IS cheating/rigging the game......there is just no other way to read it. Continuing to suggest that there is something amiss with the game or that the RNG has some kind of "memory" (which you must if you think the TRTP is different when you play it "virgin", because its been played by others zillions of times, so its only "virgin"for you) is inviting the infamous shiny hat to be placed firmly atop your cranium.

If you ever play this game anywhere ever again, then we'll assume that this whole thread was just a rant because you lost, as I just don't believe anyone who truly believed a slot was so obviously rigged would ever spin it again at any casino.


Either you accept the above or you don't....there is no third option.

 

[dunover]

I will await the rep's report on this from MG.
Whatever you say, the game's play is much of a muchness wherever I played it, until now.

 

[ValDes]

...
4. TRTP is NOT operator configurable on MGS platforms.
...

Excuse me, but how do we know this?! Do we have any official statements from Microgaming, have we seen some documents or perhaps you have talked with some MG executives? My question is just rhetorical and I will be really most grateful to you Nifty or to anyone else who can prove that legend that MG do not allow its operators "working" the platform!

 

[kktmd]

Just beat my own record playing IR and BTBA.....1422 spins before I got a bonus round

I started with 200 spins on IR - no bonus round.
Switched to BTBA and did 520 spins - no bonus round.
Switched back to IR and did 702 spins before I got the bonus round.

I'd put the odds of that happening at less than 1 in 5 mio (had it been only IR, the odds would be 1 in 6.3 mio - I'm not quite sure about BTBA)

 

[dunover]

Just beat my own record playing IR and BTBA.....1410 spins before I got a bonus round

I'd put the odds of that happening at less than 1 in 5 mio.

kktmd - I'm glad you turned up right now. During your million spins (I know you didn't log data like how many spins between 5oak characters, speed of the achievements atc.) you would have doubtless seen events like I have described previous, but not overlapping and all together. This is why I have started this moan. The odds (assuming the slot is OK) against what I have seen must be vast. I would love to agree with one or two that 'I have simply been unusually unlucky' but I just can't get my head round that because of years of previous play. It's like seeing somebody you know well and see every day, and today they look exactly the same but you just know something is the matter with them, by little tells you pick up subconsciously.
I want Nifty and Chopley to be right, because if it's simply the variance I'll level out sooner or later with some decent hits. It's just that even if I got the stake for free I'd be reluctant to play the game there again, because the predictability of the same again would become apparent after a minute or two which should not be the case on random slots.

P.S. Have you got any BDBA stats for us yet? I think the IR and TSII ones were fantastic. As Chopley once said, the 'pool' of wins the RNG picks from is an unknown quantity, i.e. how many spins it would take to get to your TRTP. Your samples of a million spins are a big clue to how these programmes work and over how long. What did the 1410 spins take place on? BDBA?