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Withdrawal Time Discussion (Split Posts)

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by vinylweatherman, Feb 22, 2009.

    Feb 22, 2009
  1. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Mod Note: ...thread split from http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/29646-withdrawal-times-casinos.html

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    That is sometimes MANDATORY:rolleyes:

    A complaint thread a short while back was from a player who deposited with Neteller, but was told the withdrawal could NOT be paid back to Neteller, and they were asked to choose between Click2Pay and Moneybookers. These are the kinds of "fun & games" that REALLY piss me off with casinos. Gone are the days where they would pay you by the means selected without any messing around other than verifying details on the first withdrawal where they did not refund deposits back to their origin.
     
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  2. Feb 22, 2009
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    There was also a thread awhile back about how one casino (forget which one) totally ignored the withdrawal method (even though they deposited via that ewallet) and processed the funds into a closed C2P account.

    Or, how about the one where another casino sent a check in place of sending the money back to their ewallet? :rolleyes:
     
  4. Feb 23, 2009
  5. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    toronto
    I had a mg casino do that to me. My deposit was instadebit when i went to withdraw i used instadebit they told me up to 3 weeks. Also if i used moneybookers or c2pay would be 3 days. So i asked them to use one of those, answer was no had to be means of deposit. Waited longer then 3 weeks for them to put it into my moneybookers account. So that was a casino i never went back to. Right now slotsplus i used instadebit to deposit but cant wr with that method so now its going to ewallet so will see how long that takes.
    Rushmore last nite i sent docs in this am email bounced back resent guess what
    money is already in my ewallet account. Now thats a casino i will do business with at least your not waiting weeks for your winnings.
     
  6. Feb 23, 2009
  7. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    ....and they wonder why players assume they are being jerked around, lied to, or victim of stalling tactics.

    It's quite clear, either the rules say "must be back to method of deposit" or they don't. If the same casino tells player A this rule, yet jerks player B around by saying this rule is NOT available, then there is some mistruth in what players are being told.

    I have often seen this "must be back to method of deposit" rule described as being "out of our control" by casinos, with them citing (mainly) the good ol' FATF agreements on the prevention of moneylaundering.
    So, what of those cases where casinos themselves breach these so called rules that require refunds back to the deposit method, are there no repercussions from their licencing jurisdiction, if not, why not - could it be these "FATF rules requiring refunds back to deposit method" simply do not exist, and that casinos are just making up these rules and making these statements to shift the blame onto another body that probably could not care less about online gambling.
    Despite the casinos believing FATF rules require them to insist on paying back to deposit method (apart from Minivegas, who seem to believe they can pick & choose whether and when they obey "international laws"), many contributors have not found any trace of this being a specific requirement under the FATF agreements, which themselves are subject to occasional change.
    The USA DoJ believes that ALL withdrawals are contrary to "anti-moneylaundering rules", whether back to original deposit method or not, so even different countries cannot agree on this.

    Casinos should quit lying, and admit these are THEIR OWN RULES, not those of some faceless international organisation. If they were PROPERLY regulated, many would be snowed under with legal action due to unfair consumer practices, and a good many would go in favour of the PLAYER, and may well involve compensation, not just return of winnings as is currently the case with self regulation, and the various volunteer advocate services.

    A land casino took some players to court for "cheating" at Roulette. In a way, they were, but not in an illegal manner. They were using a remote sensing lazer device and concealed computer to achieve a margin over the house. The casino was taken for a sizeable sum, but actually LOST the case, even though they had PROOF of the device. It seemed they got off on a technicality, as there devices did not "interfere with the outcome" of the game in any way. It seems that an English court holds a far different view of what is "fair" or "unfair" in a relationship between a business and a retail consumer of the product - this view being that businessess cannot rely on so called "F U Clauses", and even the rules they DO spell out have to be "fair" given the somewhat unequal relationship between business and individual "Mr Average" consumer.

    In the context of this thread, the "F U Clause" in question is that casinos can decide NOT to obey their own rules on returning refunds back to the method they came from - yet they can do this on an "F U Clause" basis, without having to explain, or even try to come to an agreement that causes less inconveniance to the player. I am more convinced of this "conspiracy" explanation because in many cases where a player has been told a refund to his chosen method, the method of their deposits, is quitel simply not possible, the "impossible" is suddenly achieved shortly after the player makes a big fuss, such as posting or submitting a PAB.

    Come on, either something is "impossible" or it isn't. If something is only "impossible" UNTIL someone lights a fire under your a$$, then you are lying about it being "impossible" in the first place.
     
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  8. Feb 23, 2009
  9. sparkles

    sparkles Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    home ex
    Location:
    The bottom of the Garden
    Mayanfortune

    have still not paid, after 6 business days, and 11 days total.

    "Our NETeller withdrawals have been affected by some small delays and these are not in our power to be fixed at this time.We and NETeller are doing our best to permanently resolve the issues causing the delays.We suggest players in a hurry for their withdrawals to use the other available options."

    Would have been nice to know this a few days ago.

    I was told soon after a couple of days
    I was told end of the week
    I was told Monday

    and now...........

    Please allow until the end of the week in order for the withdrawal to complete. Thank you for understanding

    I so love the thankyou for understanding comment.
     
  10. Feb 24, 2009
  11. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    It has been stated by a Rival rep here at CM that ALL PANTASIA CASINOS (inc mayan fortune) USE THE SAME PAYMENT PROCESSOR, therefor there should be NO DIFFERENCE in withdrawal times from one casino to another.

    The above is not my opinion, it is stated fact by a Pantasia rep.

    If there is a delay in NEteller payments at MF, then there should be a delay at EVERY pantasia-based Rival casino, and there is no evidence that this is the case.

    In my view, there is either money in the account to pay the player or there isnt. If there is, then stop p*ssing around and PAY!!. If there is some other issue that is causing the delay, then EMAIL every player OR post somewhere like CM and be transparent about it.

    Rival need to send someone over to 32Red or 3Dice to learn how to run a casino PROFESSIONALLY.

    Rival Casinos - great games - stupid policies.
     
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  12. Feb 24, 2009
  13. sparkles

    sparkles Experienced Member

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    The bottom of the Garden
    100% agree

    Its all a little too bizarre to me.

    Being up front and honest does help, stops others getting AS annoyed with the constant excuses they throw at you for the first few days. Theres only one thing I can think of that would be wrong with Neteller, and a couple of people I know that process payments agreed.
     
  14. Feb 24, 2009
  15. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    toronto
    So a little update from a few casinos i just joined. Rushmore was less then 24 hours, sent papers rep came on and few hours later i had the funds in my account. Now slotplus last wed i put in for my first cashout with them papers had been accepted and i was good to go long long time ago. Deposit method instadebit withdrawal method sorry we dont use instadebit for it. So i had to use my ewallet account, till this time now still not one response from them.
    Customer service states will get back to you. I emailed them saying here is my ewallet info as this wasnt my means of deposit so you will need to know this to pay me. Still not a word still sitting waiting for me in the cashier area. Alladdins
    so far well over 5 days waiting.
     
  16. Feb 24, 2009
  17. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account webmeister

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    Self Employed
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    In the Beautiful South !!
     
  18. Feb 24, 2009
  19. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    toronto
    Still waiting on aladdins. They tossed the funds back into the play area.
    I had used as i said instadebit no bonus and i withdrew same method. Late last nite when i looked in there money was in play they want me to set up instadebit account again with the info. Well on the first try you just submit on the second it asks you again for account info. Not sure why this is they have put money back into my account using this. Club never asks me on wr for instadebit account its on the file.
    Slots plus not a word still sitting there rep said take it out and make sure i put account number in right did that and guess what there is no area to do that. So emailed them again and put funds back into wr cashier. As i said this is going to be tricky as i deposited instadebit.
     

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