Winnings confiscation based on multiple accounts from same I.P or computer

[davos11]

As i have said a million times already ,I am not talking about my personal issue , rather the issue in general , Like the guy i have just mentioned ,
Like the casinos say , 1 bonus per household , How do you define a household ,If he lives in student accomodation , Is his household his room or his building ? ,

Most students have one bedroom that is there household but he obviously lives in the same building as hundreds more people , Are they part of his household ? ,he has had his winnings taken away as a flat mate seems to have used the promo already , But on his own computer ,rather than on the same computer like in my case .

Please, I am no longer talking about my case so stop relating back to it when it was cleared up already and i am now talking about a separate issue ,I appreciate the help and replies but it can make things very muddled ,
thanks

Is a bedsit a household or is it the tower block the bedsits in the household , It seems the ruling can be very confusing and hazy and due to this there can only be 1 winner and 1 loser And the player isnt going to be the one happy at the end .

Plus in about a million answers nobody has actually answered anything about at which point the casino recognises a duplicate I.P , And to what action they either DO or SHOULD take , How many i.p's do they allow to be signed up to an account , If someone who is familiar with the rules but unaware of friend, relative ,neighbour has already signed up with that account ( like in this guys case ) , Is it fair they will accept his deposits knowing they will never pay him out as he breached rules on registration ????

In this day and age this problem will keep popping up more and more now everyone has tonnes of computers,laptops,tablets, phones and it seems the simplest way would simply be 1 everything per person ,if you have a passport and bank account then you can have an account ,
Would anyone seriously sign up there Grandmother for an account without them knowing , take her credit card to deposit with then ask or steal her passport just for the sake of claiming a MATCH BONUS ....... They are hardly like gold dust are they

This way there would be no confusion , no blurred lines , no accidents but that would not be profitable to the casinos ,If even 1/100 players messes up like i did , At the end of the year that's a decent mark up
I don't know maybe there are people out there that would do what i said above and it sucks as the likes of me and this other guys and countless more have lost to because of it and it just doesn't seem fair .... But i guess that's life ,Few bad apples spoil the bunch !

 

[dunover]

I am sure there is no real no way of us players knowing these stats but it would be interesting to know what the withdrawal / win rate is for real money players and bonus/promo players , In my experience i usually win a bit when using promo cash then lose it trying to get through the playthrough ,Obviously the game play is exactly the same for the 2 players ,But if you win with real money you can obviously cash out right away ,

Then don't takes bonuses.

casinos chuck bonuses at you via email everyday so obvioulsy want you to use them , So i guess my question is , Do casinos prefer you to play with promo / bonus's rather than with real money ,some playthroughs can be 50x d+b so it surely seems for the extra small amount your getting your much likely to lose it reaching the WR ,and obviously if you win within what would have been your real money deposit in your first spell of games , that would have been withdrawable cash.

It still is withdrawable cash on most sites (accredited) if you don't touch the bonus at any time - you can w/d your cash balance and forfeit the bonus. If the bonus WR is crap, then common sense decrees you decline it.

This is why it seems strange to me that they have this 1 per I.P or 1 per household rule rather than just per person , aslong as you can provide I'D that you are that person

Is there really any such thing as bonus abuse if they create the rules for all the bonuses ,Max wins , Playthroughs , What games are allowed etc , You still only have as much chance of reaching the withdrawal stage and have not gained any advantage just by living in the same house as someone .

If you look elsewhere on the forum it has been explained by myself and others that you CAN gain significant advantage over the casino on certain games by a group of colluders taking bonuses. They aren't here to give cash away!

A Player that already lived in a household with a registered member could sign up and then become a bonus abuser but if he moved next door he would not be a bonus abuser , Would they rather not have that potential customer player not play at all with them rather than them have an account with full gaming rights , bonuses and all .

Yes he could be a bonus abuser if the casino suspected he/she was in cahoots with the other player, and they were AP'ing together.

I know what the rules are ,I just don't understand why they are the rules as you would think these bonuses are like gold dust ,If they offered you one single bonus on sign up and no more then i could perhaps understand but they send you them on a daily or weekly basis like its nothing and perhaps it is nothing and bonus abuse is just a phrase coined to increase profits , I don't know

Again, if you don't rate the bonuses, don't use them.

I just don't see how where a person lives or what computer / device they are using has any kind of impact on how profitable there gaming session could be ,It obviously doesn't

Again, yes it does if colluding in AP with related/associated parties.


Sorry for the rambles , I am new to how these things work and the forum has been a real eye opener to a lot of things , I understand rules are rules i just want to know why they are rules and if those rules are there for moral reasons.

There's little 'moral' in gambling. The rules are there to weed out colluders/AP's and scamsters.

I honestly never knew what building i was in or what computer i was using would make any difference to me winning or losing and as of course it has no difference ....at all , then i have to question why this rule is there ,

Again, not you as an INDIVIDUAL but as part of a colluding group - that's why the rule is there.

Most people that play casinos maybe have a partner of friend that plays to ,With all this confusion of who went on what casino at what time , using what computer over the space of god knows how many years then it only means one thing , a simple mistake , accident or simply just being blissfully ignorant can result in big losses and it seems to me perhaps this is why the casinos do it .....

See above.

If they have the I.P stored then they should let the customer know asap ,Just because they don't have to do this by law etc... , Doesn't mean that you should be allowed to continue playing on a losing account for any amount of time ,Losing deposit after deposit until you get lucky enough to win only to have it taken from you , Again i know rules are rules but surely for us customers / punters there should be a rule somewhere to protect are safety to .

As it seems they are guilty of doing themselves what they are trying to stop others doing ,They are trying to stop ( what they would call ) customers gaining an unfair advantage ( even though there is not one with bonus t's and c's ) over them by knowingly keeping losing / no win situation accounts open as obviously if they have broken the terms and conditions that account should be closed on registration because of the clashing I'P , Email , Payment details ..

AGAIN yes there are advantages if you AP/collude in a certain way.

Again sorry for the rambling ,Would love to hear back from some of the more senior members here ,I know what the casinos say goes , And its contractual etc , Again its more the fairness and morality i am looking at as always thought we were on an even keel until reading through the forums over the last few days


thanks

Listen, if you don't accept or like or understand generic casino T&C's maybe you should refrain from either online casinos or at the very least bonuses. People have made great efforts here to explain these matters and you ain't grasping it, are you? Why your personal quest for the ethos and logic behind online casino operations? You buy a car, it works and you drive it. If so, you don't need to know why the ECU is placed here or the ashtray there. It really shouldn't bother you that much.

 

[davos11]

Honestly , Your probably right , I don't understand alot of the wording / terminology that is being used but i am trying to learn , hence so many questions , ]
I never thought it was a problem to ask why ....I'm the type of person that would like to know why everything is where it is , what purpose it is serving etc .. , I could never imagine being the type of person you describe never questioning anything
That's like going to the garage , paying 2 grand to get your car fixed and not asking what exactly was broken / fixed in order to constitute that bill , As like you said the car is working ok so why bother questioning it ? , especially in this industry ..
It baffles me that there is a list of rogue casinos ,Surely they should be either closed or being investigated but after more reading and seeing these strange offshore jurustictions it quite frankly scary ,There even seems to be alot of complaints on here from casinos in the accredited lists .

I am new to all this so to me it doesn't make sense , I'm sure everything is this way it is for a reason , You have probably seen the evolution of the rules and why the have changed to be a certain way but i have not , I'm picking it up in the middle and alot of it doesn't seem fair , Like you said there isn't much MORAL about gambling , That is a big problem for me ,Maybe i should pack it in completely ,I played for fun and this really isn't much fun
Thanks again for all your replys

 

[Googobucs]

Davos...I'm a lot like you in the sense that I want to know why. I'm very inquisitive and spend a lot of time trying to seek out the answer to things I don't understand. Sometime the answer is " It is what it is". Nothing bugs me more than to come to that conclusion, but in this case: "it is what it is". Time to kick this can down the road and move on to the next experience.
good luck

 

[Nifty29]

And today i log into the forums and see this topic ,

SILVER OAK CASINO making up fake reasons/excuses to avoid paying me.

Again it seems somebody has fallen ill of this multiple i.p rule , he lives in student accomodation in a building on 4 floors with hundreds of other students all running off the same internet connection ,he has absolutely no way of knowing who else has or has not played before .

I heard someone mention in a reply that any of the users running of this multiple i.p will then not be paid out including the first person who made an account , Just because a 2nd person signed up after him ....... How could the original registering player be able to prevent a building full of hundreds of people playing on an online casino ???? ,

How many accounts would the casino ALLOW to be made off a single i.p as it seems in this case any number of people could all be playing losing accounts off the same i.p with the casino being fully aware they will never have to pay out to any of them but of course will keep accepting their deposits until they try to make a withdrawal

Alot of us are not tech savy and only learn from our mistakes like myself in this case ,But is it a mistake the casinos can nip in the bud right away and if they CAN is it fair / moral that they do not ?

Davos, (didn't you create the Daleks BTW,???)

I get the feeling that you're just ignoring what everyone is saying, and waiting for someone to say exactly what you want to hear I.e. that it's all terribly unfair and that casinos deliberately don't check accounts at registration so they can rip you off later (like in your case).

No offence, but that's how it looks.

What you don't seem to grasp is that these rules are there for a reason. Several have been mentioned already, but it all boils down to fraud prevention. Some players make a full time living trying to scam casinos by taking the same bonus over and over using multiple IDs etc, among other things.

The reason most casinos don't exclude accounts at the beginning is that many of them allow multiple ACCOUNTS just not multiple BONUSES per IP/family/environment/etc. It's not possible to know if you're going to take a bonus when you register....you may or may not.

Honestly, I'm not going much further as I don't believe you're really paying attention.

Bottom line...it's about BONUSES....not accounts. It's why you were allowed to keep your account open. You keep fishing for everyone to say you were badly treated and ripped off, and that the whole thing is unjust and a deliberate ploy to take your winnings. You weren't, and it's not.

If you really want to know more, search the forums and read carefully and objectively...starting with this thread.

 

[davos11]

I'm not looking for everyone to agree with me i was looking for answers , Some questions were answered and others were not , I can see i am asking the wrong people as lets face it , Some of the questions i am asking non of you guys will know the answer to , Only the casino operators .

Nifty please feel free to ignore this thread and any of my messages , Honestly you've not been any help you have been pretty condescending and particularly unfriendly , On reading other threads you've chucked your 50ps worth on most of them to , Again not being particularly friendly , perhaps a forum where people come looking for help isn't the best place for you , You'd make a great chat rep for casino live help though

Googobucks , You have been extremely helpful from from the start and i know your right with this and i should let it go , My opinions are my opinions and i don't expect anyone to agree with them , Hopefully one day Panorama will do an undercover investigation into the world of online casinos and are suspicions can either be laid to rest or out there in the open ,

It wasn't so long ago we were all getting bent over by the banks with their £30 admin / email charges , PPI etc .... And eventually Justice prevailed .

In my personal case i am to blame , I made a mistake and i'm not confident that i wouldn't make another in the future as i'm not very tech savy and having to read through pages of terms for each casino just for a £20 deposit kinda kills the fun , I think ill stick to sports bets or at the very least leave bonuses / promos alone ,

thanks

 

[Nifty29]

I'm not looking for everyone to agree with me i was looking for answers , Some questions were answered and others were not , I can see i am asking the wrong people as lets face it , Some of the questions i am asking non of you guys will know the answer to , Only the casino operators .

Nifty please feel free to ignore this thread and any of my messages , Honestly you've not been any help you have been pretty condescending and particularly unfriendly , On reading other threads you've chucked your 50ps worth on most of them to , Again not being particularly friendly , perhaps a forum where people come looking for help isn't the best place for you , You'd make a great chat rep for casino live help though

Googobucks , You have been extremely helpful from from the start and i know your right with this and i should let it go , My opinions are my opinions and i don't expect anyone to agree with them , Hopefully one day Panorama will do an undercover investigation into the world of online casinos and are suspicions can either be laid to rest or out there in the open ,

It wasn't so long ago we were all getting bent over by the banks with their £30 admin / email charges , PPI etc .... And eventually Justice prevailed .

In my personal case i am to blame , I made a mistake and i'm not confident that i wouldn't make another in the future as i'm not very tech savy and having to read through pages of terms for each casino just for a £20 deposit kinda kills the fun , I think ill stick to sports bets or at the very least leave bonuses / promos alone ,

thanks

Your definition of "help" is very narrow I.e. people are only being helpful if they agree with you.

How very grown-up

Oh, and BTW, I will continue to comment on your posts and any other posts I see fit to comment upon. I don't give a toss what you think.

Panorama. LOL.

 

[skiny]

In my personal case i am to blame , I made a mistake and i'm not confident that i wouldn't make another in the future as i'm not very tech savy and having to read through pages of terms for each casino just for a £20 deposit kinda kills the fun , I think ill stick to sports bets or at the very least leave bonuses / promos alone ,
thanks

Generally speaking, the pages and pages of terms and conditions are bonus related. Fraudsters would have an awful hard time gaining an edge on a casino by creating multiple accounts and then only playing slot games with their own money.

Personally I think there are far too many restrictions and conditions on deposit bonuses and I'm sure many people agree with me. The obvious solution is not to take them. If a casino offers you a deposit bonus and you decline, there's one or two pages that you no longer have to read or understand. If understanding these pages is what's killing your fun then stop taking the bonuses.

Terms of service are usually a lot more straight forward. These generally revolve around not having multiple accounts or fake ID and other things that people usually have enough sense not to do anyway.

If you play at a reputable casino, have only one account with legitimate identification and play with only your own legally deposited money it's highly unlikely you'll have any issues with your withdrawals.

 

[LaHutti]

The IP address has everything to do with the internet connection, and nothing to do with the computer. When a computer (or a router) connects to an internet provider it's either assigned an IP address within a certain range of IP addresses, or using the permanent IP address assigned to your account, so in places where a connection is shared by many people, they will either use the same IP address where one permanent IP address is used, or risk being assigned the same IP address where a range of IP addresses is used, whether they use the same computer, or 50 individual computers to connect to the same router. The router then hands out local networkl IP addresses to each computer that connects to it, but outside the local network, everyone has the same IP address

Every computer (And other electronic devices) has a MAC address, hard coded into a chip in the device, that you can use to identify a specific computer, so that's a totally different animal.

But you've both been depositing and playing on the SAME computer. What does an internet connection have to do with an IP address? They are two completely separate issues. Two completely different scenarios. That's using the same internet connection versus using the same computer. This day and age there are allot of people accessing the internet through the same internet connection (Wi-Fi, Star Bucks, School). Not so many using the same computer. I understand your frustration but you have both been playing on the same computer therefore from the same IP address.

 

[mrmark21]

The IP address has everything to do with the internet connection, and nothing to do with the computer. When a computer (or a router) connects to an internet provider it's either assigned an IP address within a certain range of IP addresses, or using the permanent IP address assigned to your account, so in places where a connection is shared by many people, they will either use the same IP address where one permanent IP address is used, or risk being assigned the same IP address where a range of IP addresses is used, whether they use the same computer, or 50 individual computers to connect to the same router. The router then hands out local networkl IP addresses to each computer that connects to it, but outside the local network, everyone has the same IP address

Every computer (And other electronic devices) has a MAC address, hard coded into a chip in the device, that you can use to identify a specific computer, so that's a totally different animal.

My bad. Learn something new everyday. I just thought that was like a code on the computer...

I think as Nifty pointed out that most casinos generally allow more than one account per internet connection as long as the same bonuses aren't being taken. Using the same bonuses on both accounts is obviously an advantage over the casino. Those T&Cs are there for a reason.

I know that 32 Red and Betsafe allow more than one account per internet connection just as long as the same bonuses arent taken. One account for me and one account for my sister as it's against the T&Cs to share your account with a third party. I take bonuses, she dosent (she cant wrap her head around the WR and how that works). We also play on different computers.

Many times it's just about confirming this with CS prior to opening the other account. But you didnt do this. Both accounts were accessed from the same computer and both accounts were using bonuses. Anyway Silver Oak is known for confiscation of winnings so that cant be used as a solid example.

 

[davos11]

Again not to be argumentative , But the people that have been providing me with answers and help don't seem to be clear on the rules either ,Mrmark21 , You have alot of posts here and you seem to know what your talking about when it comes to this stuff but you yourself got the i.p setup completely wrong ( well unless your right and the other guy is wrong ) so surely that says an awful lot , That really isn't a clear ruling

So it then draws me back to my last question , If i.p isn't completely to do with your computer , more your internet connection then the guy i mentioned who lives in a student dorm is totally screwed ,Also what happens to the original member who signed up and made the first complete account from that I.P , If there is a 2nd one made without him knowing ,Could he then lose any winnings due to multiple accounts from an i.p ( and yes i'm talking about bonus claiming accounts , not just cash play accounts )

This is the best forum online for casino related problems and there are some pretty in the know guys on here , I have heard a bunch of you say I.P is computer only nothing to do with internet connection and half of you say or think the opposite so which is it , As it makes the world of difference

thanks

 

[bigjohn]

If you haven't gotten the answer you want after 9 pages you are not likely to find it here. A few people have mentioned different casinos handle things in different ways.

 

[davos11]

And this answers the I.P question how ?

It 9 pages long as everyone has an answer or an opinion or a little dig but obviously half of these opinions are wrong .

Rather than being bored of this thread i would be more worried as it seems alot of people who have posted here , Like myself don't know what an I.P is or how it works so if we get it sorted it could save alot of people alot of bother ...

Again if you don't need this information then feel free to ignore the thread , Why can people not do this ? You make the time to come back and condemn something i have said but not to answer the questions , If you have nothing more to offer and have no confusion about this I.P problem then there is nothing for you here

Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ....

A few of us are still unsure due to contradictory answers so i want to keep asking , geting opinions until its crystal clear

I don't claim to have any real tech knowledge that is why i am asking other rather than telling others but it seems there's is a decent amount of people giving opinions as facts and getting it totally wrong , I don't who is right or wrong but i know there have been multiple contradicting answers here so even if it helps 1 other person besides myself then it was worth the debate

thanks

 

[bigjohn]

I'm not condemning what you posted, I'm trying to nudge you in the right direction.

Your not getting it though.

You are not going to get detailed knowledge of how casinos detect multiple users or how and why they save and use I.P. addresses. If you need to know how your particular I.P. address is determined you have to go through you provider. Different providers will generate them in different ways.

Or check your router's technical details.

Research it a little then come back and give us the answer. Research is not just asking Why? Why? Why?

Obviously you have access to the internet, use it. There is a plethora of information available.

 

[Nifty29]

And this answers the I.P question how ?

It 9 pages long as everyone has an answer or an opinion or a little dig but obviously half of these opinions are wrong .

Rather than being bored of this thread i would be more worried as it seems alot of people who have posted here , Like myself don't know what an I.P is or how it works so if we get it sorted it could save alot of people alot of bother ...

Again if you don't need this information then feel free to ignore the thread , Why can people not do this ? You make the time to come back and condemn something i have said but not to answer the questions , If you have nothing more to offer and have no confusion about this I.P problem then there is nothing for you here

Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ....

A few of us are still unsure due to contradictory answers so i want to keep asking , geting opinions until its crystal clear

I don't claim to have any real tech knowledge that is why i am asking other rather than telling others but it seems there's is a decent amount of people giving opinions as facts and getting it totally wrong , I don't who is right or wrong but i know there have been multiple contradicting answers here so even if it helps 1 other person besides myself then it was worth the debate

thanks

It's actually VERY simple.

1. ALWAYS read the terms BEFORE you play
2. If you don't understand the terms then ASK the casino to clarify
3. AVOID registering and/or playing in shared environments I.e. use your OWN PC at all times with your OWN internet connection
4. AVOID allowing anyone else to use your internet connection to play

If you follow these SIMPLE rules you will pretty much NEVER have an issue with confiscation of winnings.

If you want an accurate explanation of IP addresses....try GOOGLE....and quit expecting everyone to do your legwork, and expecting all these members of varying expertise to AGREE on one definition.

Bigjohn is quite right. If you don't have an inkling by now, then another 99 pages ain't going to help.

Try using that old chestnut that has managed to keep me free of confiscations and bonus issues for 15 years....

COMMON SENSE

 

[davos11]

It's easy to say its common sense when you already have that information , At the time of my problem i was unaware of all this and i wouldn't say tech problems was particularly common knowledge to the average person anyway .

I'll refrain from posting anymore on this , And i will stick to cash only play in the future on my own computer , And if i have a problem i will just have to take it on the chin as even with some very helpful and friendly people on here it's not worth the hassle of having to converse with the likes of nifty etc ...

For the record there were a few other posters on this thread who also did not understand alot of what i was saying and by asking questions i was trying to clear it up for everyone , Not just me .....

Yes i should just google my own questions and i'll make what i can from it although again i'm not to tech savy , But it seems a shame as i thought this kind of thing was what these forums were made for and its even more of a shame that a few individuals make a bad experience even worse with there condescending tones and insults .

thanks to all those that made the time to help , I know alot more than i did before and hopefuly can avoid this kind of thing again ,

Good luck on your travels

 

[chayton]

I'd just like to mention one more thing...casino security won't tell players what they look for or how they catch multiple accounts or other kinds of fraud. To expect them to tell you how they figured out that both of you were playing from one computer is being pretty naive - fraudsters always want to know how they got caught because they think it will teach them how NOT to get caught next time.

Again, not saying that you're a fraudster, just explaining that you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for any casino rep to step in with that information.

But I'm positive that it's not as simple as saying "Oh look both these players signed up from the same IP, let's close their accounts." There's also a lot of other stuff that happens behind the scenes that we're not privy to.

Although mistakes happen and innocent players sometimes get caught in a fraud net, it's rare for a casino to make a mistake on a multiple account issue.

 

[quber]

It's actually VERY simple.

1. ALWAYS read the terms BEFORE you play
2. If you don't understand the terms then ASK the casino to clarify
3. AVOID registering and/or playing in shared environments I.e. use your OWN PC at all times with your OWN internet connection
4. AVOID allowing anyone else to use your internet connection to play

Your OWN internet connection is not always safe to use unless you pay your ISP for a static IP address which very very few people do.

The vast majority of people have dynamic IP addresses which change and get re-assigned to different people, not as often as when we all had dial up though.

If you re-boot your router it will change, have a power cut it will change then you get one that someone else has used and you don't have a clue who had it never mind what they did when they had it.

If I wanted to open multiple accounts I could just open one and play then reboot the router and open another one, different IP so no problem. Casinos now should have the ability to block by MAC address which is individual to the machine, can be spoofed but not as easy as changing IP. this is why they don't block IP's as they could be blocking potential good customers.

A few people in this thread understand the way IP's work as they have given correct info but most seem not to but are still advising on it.

As Nifty says you should ask if unsure but i doubt the average CS would know this as they would just be able to answer what the T's and C's say but at least you would have it in writing

 

[davos11]

Sorry for the re-bump ,

netbet.com not paying out again

just read this thread and it seems this guy has done the exact same thing as me haha , I mean identical , Fortunately it seems for him that netbet allow 3 accounts per I.P address in the terms ( even though they are trying to stiff him ) ,

Seems a shame that 2 identical situations occur and one constitutes "fraud" as my casino put it and the other is fine ,But as you have all told me every casino has different rules and its up to me to be completley aware of them before playing ,
It would be nice if one day there was a set of rules that were universal or at least continental so if you know them for one you know them for all

Hopefuly he should get paid in full

 

[Cleveland]

Sorry for the re-bump ,

netbet.com not paying out again

just read this thread and it seems this guy has done the exact same thing as me haha , I mean identical , Fortunately it seems for him that netbet allow 3 accounts per I.P address in the terms ( even though they are trying to stiff him ) ,

Seems a shame that 2 identical situations occur and one constitutes "fraud" as my casino put it and the other is fine ,But as you have all told me every casino has different rules and its up to me to be completley aware of them before playing ,
It would be nice if one day there was a set of rules that were universal or at least continental so if you know them for one you know them for all

Hopefuly he should get paid in full

Until a PAB is done by either of you none of what you say is worth any more than me telling you I'm the president of the United States. As always if these things are such a big problem we would have a ton more complaints as it would occur on a regular basis but as it goes more often than not when the PAB is finished someone is found to be fraudster / scammer. Could the guy you speak of be innocent of course. But why should I believe a person who just joined anymore than I would believe the casino. No point in me placing trust in either of you until an investigation is completed.

 

[stokes]

I think most of the (reputable) casinos assessing several factors before they claim a player fraud and I think the IP address collision is one of the least significant.

More important factors could be the MAC address (easily alterable, even though it is hardcoded as someone suggested), registry of the computer where the casino software places information (like user name e.g.), IP address and country matching (IP addresses distributed geographically) and gambling style (what games, what tactics) which casinos tend to think of as a fingerprint.

These things which experienced bonus abusers would likely circumvent.

(I know there were a lot of discussion about it, but still).
Apart from the above, I fail to see how could a casino lose on the so called bonus abusing.
The bonus abusers opening several accounts for the SUB and try to hit big. Let's say they hit big, so to get the money they need to prove the person's identity used for the bonus. So it is similar like the person would have signed up his own.
From the point of the casino it is the same whether 1 person is using 40 persons' identity and claiming the SUB or the 40 persons would sign up individually using the SUB.

They can only lose on this if

1. The bonus was EV+
2. Bonus abusers are using better tactics (win more or lose less) than the average new players

 

[davos11]

Thanks Cleveland ,
In my case i obviously didn't understand the rules and terms properly so no point opening a PAB ,All i have is hope that the casino can see there is no attempt of fraud , I think my deposit was £20 and i played on pretty much the same few slots all night at either 40 or 50 p a spin until reaching the playthrough ,( about 12 hours play ) ,if there were like 5 accounts through my I.P and i was depositing like 100-1000 to get the match bonus then i could understand them being extremely wary

In the other guys guys case , The casinos terms stipulate each I.P can have up to but no more than 3 accounts , he had one and his girlfriend had one so there should not have been a problem so perhaps there is something missing as you say

It just seems to be popping up alot now , there's been 3 posts about this in the last 2 days or so of people having there winnings taken away for duplicate I.P's , I'm a member of god knows how many sites as i have played for years as is my girlfriend and we have only ever played between either my home or hers on perhaps 3 different computers max and this has never occured so perhaps there is a clamp down on this thing happening right now .

It's kinda scaring me into not playing , I know people say i will be a lot safer in not claiming bonuses which of course is true but i only deposit 25 max and even on a small stake you can be bust very quickly so the added boost of a bonus keeps the gameplay going a while

 

[Casinomeister]

And this answers the I.P question how ?

It 9 pages long as everyone has an answer or an opinion or a little dig but obviously half of these opinions are wrong .

Rather than being bored of this thread i would be more worried as it seems alot of people who have posted here , Like myself don't know what an I.P is or how it works so if we get it sorted it could save alot of people alot of bother ...

Again if you don't need this information then feel free to ignore the thread , Why can people not do this ? You make the time to come back and condemn something i have said but not to answer the questions , If you have nothing more to offer and have no confusion about this I.P problem then there is nothing for you here

Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ....

A few of us are still unsure due to contradictory answers so i want to keep asking , geting opinions until its crystal clear

I don't claim to have any real tech knowledge that is why i am asking other rather than telling others but it seems there's is a decent amount of people giving opinions as facts and getting it totally wrong , I don't who is right or wrong but i know there have been multiple contradicting answers here so even if it helps 1 other person besides myself then it was worth the debate

thanks

As long as you are not a moderator, please do not tell people which threads they can post to. This thread belongs to all members of this forum, and I welcome anyone who would like to chime in. If you want ownership of a thread, please create your own forum or blog. Thank you.

 

[davos11]

"Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ...."

Was just pointing out that the thread may not be so long or "still going" if the people who were either bored or annoyed by it didn't keep posting in it ( especially when they make up a fairly large portions of the posts ) ,Then just the people who could provide answers or were needing answers also could find the thread much easier to follow

Surely that would be of more help to everyone ,No one being annoyed and info and answers easy to find , Of course i am not a MOD and of course i have no right to tell or ask people what they can or can not do i was just looking at it logically
Sorry if i caused any offence

 

[skiny]

"Of course like nifty your free to post where and when ever you like but its not really constructive to keep coming back if it annoys you ...."

Was just pointing out that the thread may not be so long or "still going" if the people who were either bored or annoyed by it didn't keep posting in it ( especially when they make up a fairly large portions of the posts ) ,Then just the people who could provide answers or were needing answers also could find the thread much easier to follow

Surely that would be of more help to everyone ,No one being annoyed and info and answers easy to find , Of course i am not a MOD and of course i have no right to tell or ask people what they can or can not do i was just looking at it logically
Sorry if i caused any offence

If I waited until I wasn't annoyed to do something I probably wouldn't need to get out of bed.