William Hill Jumping Onboard The R.T.P Nerfing Bandwagon

Gaz237

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Why should shareholders expect an immediate profit? Staking money in a company is a gamble, not an automatic right to a pathway to a get rich quick scheme. This is what’s wrong with capitalism today and why so many suffer at the expense of a few.

Too many investors think short term rather than long term sustainability. Slashing RTP will yield a short term boost but nothing more. If the company is rotting underneath, it has no future in terms of sustainability. Ripping off your customers, for example, is not sustainable.

Also, some profit for the long haul is better than no profit at all through going bust. So why is sustained profit ditched in favour of short term boom?

I’ve never owned a business but it even shocks me how badly some companies are run. Stick me as CEO and I’m pretty sure I could make a better fist of it than the CEOs of some companies...and I’m being serious.

The prime objective of a CEO is to cut costs and increase profit.

Hence they get a nice big fat bonus for meeting targets.

They are generally ruthless and cut throat, no share holders want a Mr nice guy in charge.

The first time dividends are down, you would be out on your arse.
 

Mr_Slot5

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The prime objective of a CEO is to cut costs and increase profit.

Hence they get a nice big fat bonus for meeting targets.

They are generally ruthless and cut throat, no share holders want a Mr nice guy in charge.

The first time dividends are down, you would be out on your arse.
No-one said anything about niceties..My point was that long term profitability is superior to short term boom.

It's very very easy to slash overheads and skin everything to the bone; it requires no intelligence, no foresight and no effort. A lot harder to invest in order to ensure future sustainability. That's why so many CEOs fail and why so many businesses go under.

Why do you think Bezos is the richest man on the planet? He ran at a loss for years and years playing the long game.

There is a trend now with gamblers becoming more aware of things like RTP and overall payout. I'd wager that in time, the most successful will be the casinos that actually had the foresight to anticipate greater player knowledge and decided to keep the higher % RTP slots. Players will go where they get the best value for money. You can slash RTP and increase the house odds all you want, but it won't matter a jot if you have no-one playing at your casino!
 
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Gaz237

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No-one said anything about niceties..My point was that long term profitability is superior to short term boom.

It's very very easy to slash overheads and skin everything to the bone; it requires no intelligence, no foresight and no effort. A lot harder to invest in order to ensure future sustainability. That's why so many CEOs fail and why so many businesses go under.

Why do you think Bezos is the richest man on the planet? He ran at a loss for years and years playing the long game.

There is a trend now with gamblers becoming more aware of things like RTP and overall payout. I'd wager that in time, the most successful will be the casinos that actually had the foresight to anticipate greater player knowledge and decided to keep the higher % RTP slots. Players will go where they get the best value for money. You can slash RTP and increase the house odds all you want, but it won't matter a jot if you have no-one playing at your casino!

There is no trend whatsoever.

99.9% of players know sweet FA about RTP.

Theres plenty of members on this forum, that still don't understand, even when it;s explained to them.

The big brands will be going nowhere and the smaller companies will keep opening new Casinos and people will join to get the sign up bonuses. They certainly wont be checking the RTP.

The likes of VS who have done some shady things lately, will still have a massive player base, as people trust them, even members here slag them off, yet still play there?

Look at the amount of people who sign up to Curacao Casinos, do you honestly think that if they can't even avoid clip joints, there going to be up to speed on RTP's

It's just one big merry go round.
 

bamberfishcake

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I'm not defending Hills in anyway - RTP nerfing pisses me off.
Interesting though that they have added DW games to their providers in the last few months.... games more akin to American casino slots - but all on 97% RTP - which - lets face it - is decent

There are still bucket-loads of decent slots over 96%.

As a player you should be shunning the providers that offer cheaper versions of the same slots. Its the only choice left you have to fight back.

Im not sure we will ever lose the better paying slots because there will always be a market for them and hopefully a growing one because of increased awareness. Until then, choose wisely and take care of yourself. And others......

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Mouse75

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Noticed today that the Play N Go's have now been dropped on Hills.
Glad i checked - was looking for 96% slots for wagering their latest bonus. Book of Dead - definitely 96% last bonus (either last weekend or the one before) now 94%

EDIT I was only playing their VEGAS tab offering on a 100% Match (max £100), 10x wagering on bonus amount only deal...... Legacy of Dead is still showing as 96% - looks like they cherry picking the ones to drop.

Thier two bonuses this weekend on live Casino ( same terms) and Vegas - have made me a handsome £190 profit though........
 
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electronictonic

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Roll up come and play our shiny new RTP lowered slots.

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mack341

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looks like WH have re-jigged their site from when I was last there. Now from each game icon you can click a little 'i' for more info, and this tells you the rtp so you don't have to load up the game to see it, however I couldn't see a game icon for every slot they have, eg, montezuma can be found via the search box with the magnifying glass but it's not anywhere in the slot groupings eg. in our shops, new titles etc.. same with thunderstruck2, so I loaded that and it was the 94% version, closed it after a few spins just to see what chopping 2% does to a game :eek2:

The worst discovery was seeing a 93% version of twin spin, I even did a few spins on it to test the water :eek: To make matters worse nearly every game lagged and the reels moved in super slo-mo, could be my chrome settings but what is so complicated in 2021 about getting a few images to move smoothly at a reasonable pace.
 

jasonuk

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Sorry to bump an old thread, but made more sense here than starting a new one given an email received this morning:

Just a heads up that we’ve made some very small tweaks to some of our Blueprint, IGT & Inspired games.

Please note - you may need to update your app to view these new changes.

For more information, head over to William Hill Vegas.

[Find out more]

Enjoy,
The William Hill Team
Emphasis mine, can you guess what those "very small tweaks" are? It links to hxxps://vegas.williamhill.com/promotions/rtp-changes-18022022 which states:

We’re making some changes
Have you recently played games by Blueprint, IGT or Inspired? Just a heads up that we’ve tweaked some of our slots, which you may have played recently.
You can still enjoy all the fun features, but you might notice a few changes when you play these top titles:
... followed by an incomplete list of games and no further information.

One of the few games I managed to load - as the Blueprint list is missing, the IGT games are offline - was Mighty Hot Wilds, which is now 94.01% (96.4% native). I guess by WH standards that's "high" given how many of their games have already been nerfed from 96 to 94 to 92...

I won't hold my breath for the UKGC to get a grip on this nonsense - it's bad enough that they're nerfing the RTPs into oblivion, but these cryptic emails "informing you" are getting beyond a joke...

<edit>looks like IGT ones are now online and are just as "small" - Fortune Coin (96.20% native) has dropped from 94.20% to 92.20% and Irish Magic (96.02% native) has dropped from 94.81% to 91.90% 🤬 </edit>
 
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goatwack

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Aren't tweaks very small by definition? And when 'minor tweaks' just won't do, they wheel out the baby talk as though that would lessen the RTP- nerfing's impact, somehow 🤷‍♂️

Proof's in the pudding, pseudo- apologies for ripping my wallet a new purse just doesn't cut the mustard, so spare us the emails. Oh sorry, we ought to be 'grateful' for their 'candour'. Thanks Bill!
 

kennygamerboy

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Sorry to bump an old thread, but made more sense here than starting a new one given an email received this morning:


Emphasis mine, can you guess what those "very small tweaks" are? It links to hxxps://vegas.williamhill.com/promotions/rtp-changes-18022022 which states:


... followed by an incomplete list of games and no further information.

One of the few games I managed to load - as the Blueprint list is missing, the IGT games are offline - was Mighty Hot Wilds, which is now 94.01% (96.4% native). I guess by WH standards that's "high" given how many of their games have already been nerfed from 96 to 94 to 92...

I won't hold my breath for the UKGC to get a grip on this nonsense - it's bad enough that they're nerfing the RTPs into oblivion, but these cryptic emails "informing you" are getting beyond a joke...

<edit>looks like IGT ones are now online and are just as "small" - Fortune Coin (96.20% native) has dropped from 94.20% to 92.20% and Irish Magic (96.02% native) has dropped from 94.81% to 91.90% 🤬 </edit>
i got this email too. what boils my piss is the fact they make out they are enhancing the game!!!! dirt bags i can’t stand how dishonest they are, they don’t tell you that it’s a rtp change it’s so sneaky how they word the email. scum
 

snorky510238

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In these situations folks, you really must vote with your wallet and make every effort to let unsuspecting players know (not sure how you go about that).

Unfortunately only the smallest percentage of players will probably understand the email, if, they even get one. I don’t even play there and I’m angry. It’s obviously just greed from shareholders because they have managed until now with the 96% rtp’s.
 
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