William Hill go even lower on RTP

Siohmy

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Not sure if this has been mentioned/discussed elsewhere but William Hill look like they've lowered their RTPs still further. Chucked £20 in there only to see Gonzo's Quest and Piggy Riches Megaways versions set at 90.7%. I have no words for these con-men anymore. Back to my PS5.
 

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Trying to claw some easy money in before revenues drop through the floor on October 31st when all the player-safety 'features' get deployed. By Christ, it's going to be fucking grim. Next they'll set the minimum bet at 60p or something, or start charging for withdrawals. The UKGC fucks the player and the operator, then the operator fucks the player a bit more to compensate. Operators spend millions on TV advertising but the experience will now be shit, so they're just pouring money down the drain promoting a product no-one wants any more.

Three cheers, and so on...
 

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Next they'll set the minimum bet at 60p or something, or start charging for withdrawals.
One casino I play (played) at - Platin Casino - has actually done that.
Bonanza and DHV are now minimum bet 40p and Wild Flower is 50p.
Haven't checked any of the others
 

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One casino I play (played) at - Platin Casino - has actually done that.
Bonanza and DHV are now minimum bet 40p and Wild Flower is 50p.
Haven't checked any of the others
Platin are otherwise OK, though, and running at max RTP apart from Red Tigers.
 

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One casino I play (played) at - Platin Casino - has actually done that.
Bonanza and DHV are now minimum bet 40p and Wild Flower is 50p.
Haven't checked any of the others

So the new trick is use increased minimum stakes on games from providers with fixed rtp,s. That is one sneaky move which has exactly
the same result as dropping rtp,s .. increasing the rake per spin from players who normally low roll.

Think Red Tiger has a lot to answer for as they were one of the first to offer variable rtp settings and also shave off an extra percent or so to
fund unwinnable jackpots, used to enjoy their games, now as soon as I load a new game and see the dots appear, I just exit without even bothering
to check the rtp.
 
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A huge web of profitable businesses was built on the back of 96% slots [plus novos at slightly less], millions and billions revenue annually worldwide. So would be interesting if there is any other significant reason (other than greed) to offer worse paying games for the player?

Perhaps it's the slot producers playing a part, do they actually compete on price/cost with each other now there are several under one business etc..
 
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A huge web of profitable businesses was built on the back of 96% slots [plus novos at slightly less], millions and billions revenue annually worldwide. So would be interesting if there is any other significant reason (other than greed) to offer worse paying games for the player?

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Latest news on William Hill and their shite RTPs...

By all accounts there's a version of Reel King out there with an RTP of 92%. This game is available to play at just one site only, 'exclusively' you might say, almost as if they specifically asked for it, because the 94% version is too generous for them. Anyone guess what the site is? Good times never seemed so good, eh?

SWEEEEEEEEEET CAROLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE! DOO-DOO-DOO...

Fuck RIGHT off.
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Looking at chucking £50 into a new casino to get a match offer, 50x wagering, meh not to bad these days then read on.. £500 capped winnings on first deposit bonus. Needless to say I saved my 50 quid. Had a good laugh and read that term a couple of times thought id read it wrong

Looks like I'm going to be playing poker mtts most evenings going forward. Dont think i'll get SOW demands playing $3 MTTS :D
 

mack341

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Latest news on William Hill and their shite RTPs...

By all accounts there's a version of Reel King out there with an RTP of 92%. This game is available to play at just one site only, 'exclusively' you might say, almost as if they specifically asked for it, because the 94% version is too generous for them. Anyone guess what the site is? Good times never seemed so good, eh?

SWEEEEEEEEEET CAROLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE! DOO-DOO-DOO...

Fuck RIGHT off.
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The ukgc need to make showing the rtp on the slot's loading screen mandatory, anyone new to slots could get hammered financially on their first play, there is a risk of chasing losses across the WH site and thinking 'fuck I'm unlucky'

At least with a clear to see 92% rtp message they might twig it means something regarding the game, if not the terminology. But hidden in help files, most won't see it.

Every year as folk turn 18 there is a new batch of naive customers to catch out, plus the lotto granny contingency/ older casual sportsbook users, drifting into slots on the site, in for a rude awakening. People can chase from a tenner lost into hundreds gone.
 

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I notice the isoftbet games they have on the site don’t actually contain the RTP within the games help screens at all.

As most of the new ones are going on at 92% I worry that some of the older ones that were originally on the site may now have been gimped.

You have to trust the actual info supplied by WH themselves to see the RTP. What if this doesn’t get updated once they’ve updated the game?

Completely agree that it should be mandatory to display the games RTP on load up.
 

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this is really terrible, but try to be positive, and look at the glass as half full and not half empy (as we say in Italy).

Imagine seeing again 96% written in the helpfiles, and at the same time leaving the operator with his hands free to set the RTP value as he prefers. ;)
 

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So WH obviously have the time-limited clientele and tiny capacity of a a UK motorway services, since they are now offering the same RTP?!

Gonzo Megaways can rip a £100 balance in half an hour on the 95% setting, 40p stakes when it's not in the mood. 89% is below disgraceful.

All this lowering will backfire on the online industry, in time. There may be widespread ignorance of RTP, but customers will sure realise their balances aren't lasting very long, and move on.
 

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Largely binned WH slots some time ago. They’re even tightening up their sports scratch card offers. Mostly tells you “unlucky, try next time” now. Their odds are still generally among the best but suspect that’ll change next.
Overall I’m quite happy about all this RTP devastation. Whilst I like a play on slots I’m not really that bothered and this will just make it easier to walk on by so to speak.
 

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William Hill's site is amongst the worst in the business. -you'd think with more money from their slots they'd be better but apparently that money has not filtered through. Shite site tbh - their offers, whilst they could be ok, are now average at best.
 

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Noticed a new promo, where a fruit machine wheel pops up while slotting and gives cash prizes. I deposited a fiver to play buffalo rising on 10p and won at least £3, so had me scratching my head why chop the rtp and make their slots worse fun, only to then give prizes to drive up slot's business. Is it also RG compatible to encourage spinning to win a chance of a separate random prize?
 

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