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William Hill Casino Club - are they for real?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by bagpussandco, May 20, 2009.

    May 20, 2009
  1. bagpussandco

    bagpussandco Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Technical Support Agent
    Location:
    South Wales
    Hi Guys,

    I signed up for William Hill Casino Club last week and following a deposit of 100 I made 40 on top. Not bad going. So I tried to cash out. Only a few problems with that:

    1) They give credit card as an option to cash out but it seems that no cards (not even Visa debit) are allowed to be used for this.

    2) I have had a series of emails claiming to be from them. The first email asked me to "declare my deposits with the casino". I have to print out the email, sign my details and then fax it back. Hmmm...I don't have a fax.

    3) I then received another email from them. I've blocked out some personal information but I thought I'd show you all for your opinions:

    The formatting above is the same that I received.

    Surely my details would have been validated when my credit card was debitted, especially as they asked for my full address for validation.

    I just cannot believe they expect me to take photos of my card and send them via unsecured email. I have never heard of any casino (or any other business for that matter) that ask for this information, especially now that we are all supposed to be concerned about identity theft.

    Any one else experience this issue? I am thinking of writing directly to William Hill to complain...I doubt it will get me anywhere but I just can't believe that they choose to operate these procedures.

    Any advice would be gratefully accepted.

    Cheers

    Chris
     
  2. May 20, 2009
  3. liquuid_fusion

    liquuid_fusion Meister Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred2 PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    UK
    It should be acceptable to blank out any important information on the card. You can put a black box over the middle card numbers apart from the first and last 4, and cover up the CVV number on the back. It might be okay to block out other information too.

    I've had to send card scans to some casinos in the past, but it's a rare request.

    It's another sign of how downhill Will Hill has gone in buying these Playtech casinos. Previously I was a big customer with them, loads of deposits and withdrawals, never once asked to provide any kind of ID or scan by email.
     
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  4. May 20, 2009
  5. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

    Occupation:
    Sales
    Location:
    UK
    Ermm in my experience pretty much ALL casinos ask for this information and is nothing new. Pretty standard acrross the board really.
     
  6. May 20, 2009
  7. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    This is all pretty standard. Casinos don't give a toss about risks to OUR data by sending these images by fax or email. There IS a far more secure method of supplying these documents to casinos, BUT THEY WILL NOT IMPLEMENT IT:mad: because THEY are at no greater risk from US sending the documents by email.

    A SECURE method would be to provide an HTTPS: webpage where we could UPLOAD these images, each tagged with our username for cross reference. This would be just as secure as online banking, and the images would not even BE in the "email tubes" to get intercepted, and it would be virtually impossible for them to get "lost in the ePost", which is a pretty common thing to have happen when sending documents via email.

    Blocking out part of the card number and security code does render the image pretty useless to a criminal, but you will find you CANNOT block out ANYTHING on the other documents, and the images that result in total yield to a potential ID thief:-

    1) Full name & address
    2) Date of birth
    3) Your SIGNATURE

    This is the starting point for ID theft, it is enough, particularly with the signature as well on the deposit declaration form.

    Unfortunately, whilst the authorities are seemingly concerned about ID theft, they continue to allow (through lack of regulatory rules) the practise of demanding ID documents be sent via email & fax, rather than encrypted uploads.

    ID theft is on the rise, and the government wonders why:rolleyes:
     
  8. Aug 4, 2009
  9. pissedoff

    pissedoff Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Australia
    Yes I have and still ongoing

    See my latest thread regarding William Hill.

    As for their proceedures, it is all arse-about!

    William Hill does not give a stuff who deposits money into an account. It only shows concern when someone wants to withdraw. That's when they demand all the private information.

    If they really did care about players, they would ask for all this information upfront before you could play on their site. This would overcome, stolen cards and protect the real card holder. So in fact William Hill is happy to receive money into account, whether it is stolen or not. That shows you the calibre of the site. Truely ruthless and calious!

    William Hill knows that if they demanded all the personal information from a player before he/she can open an account, they would lose too many potential players. So they are smart and calculating. They know that many players will find it too damn inconvenient to withdraw their money. Therefore William Hill benefits all the way. Disgraceful and shonky!!!
     
  10. Aug 4, 2009
  11. pissedoff

    pissedoff Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Australia
    PKR don't ask for private information

    I have been with PKR pretty much since they started. Not once have they asked for any other information - other than my password to withdraw. And whilst I'm not happy about having to wait 3 weeks to receive a cheque, at least it is in Australian Dollars and is cleared within 3 working days. Very professional site. And a lot of fun. Very interactive with fantastic graphics.
     
  12. Aug 4, 2009
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Who does have a fax these days???
    Anyway, you can use a scanner, or take a clear photo with a digital camera and e-mail it to them.
    (Make sure you save your picture as Jpeg so it's not vast in memory size!)

    I disagree with what others have said above about the credit card picture requirement being very common - I have only been asked this by about 6 casinos ever (from 160+), and most of them were dodgy RTGs I played at long before discovering CasinoMeister!

    I too made a withdrawal from Will Hills in June, and I did e-mail them a scan of my Debit Card - I didn't see I had any other choice.
    I agree this is a totally ludicrous & unnecessary request - I played at the old Crypto Will Hills for about 6 years, depositing & withdrawing loads of times & never sent them anything!

    KK
     

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