Will ban end Internet gambling? Dont bet on it

spearmaster

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Now we're talking...

By Mike Brunker
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Updated: 12:37 p.m. ET Oct. 13, 2006

It took Congress more than a decade to pass a ban on Internet gambling. Now comes the hard part.

After President Bush made online gambling illegal Friday by signing the port security bill containing the prohibition, federal officials will have 270 days to devise a way of identifying electronic gambling transactions and preventing Americans from taking part in them.

Many experts on gambling, e-commerce and the law say the odds are extremely long that the feds will be able to come up with a set of regulations that will accomplish what the lawmakers want to impose on what has grown to become a $12 billion-a-year industry.

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Cynthia777

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...federal officials will have 270 days to devise a way of identifying electronic gambling transactions...


Yeah..right..the Government takes soo long on some things and so much red tape, etc., it takes almost a year and a half just to get a chair ordered for the office.. still waiting ...

And a complex project like this..with time restrictions?? Don't see it happening... proposals stand a quicker chance of getting introduced to amend this bill altogether before this would even happen.. IMO
 

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Relax old timers

Online gambling is like love, cancer, war, aids, corrupt politicians and migranes...

IT CAME TO STAY...

So sit back, relax... give it a couple of months and all this crap will quiet down :thumbsup:
 

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Nice article. Our only hope here in the U.S. is that online gambling will prove to have grown too big to be stopped, and this hypocritical, moralistic, evangelical-pandering ban too difficult to enforce.

I only wish that (more of) the leading casinos and poker rooms were standing pat, instead of rushing to cut their own throats.
 
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This may be true from a regulatory/enforcement perspective, but with operators/software providers reacting as they are - it certainly seems to signal the start of the end of "legitimate" online gaming in the States.

I'm astonished Microgaming/Crypto et al are pulling the plug so quickly.
 

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Plus Republicans are going to get beaten down this election....have ya seen the latest Fox News poll? The conservative channel? 56% will vote for dems....40% for republicans.....whoa
 

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They pulled out some time ago...

However, I wasnt aware Microgaming was following the same lead.

RTG still on business with US
 

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I'm astonished Microgaming/Crypto et al are pulling the plug so quickly.

Me too, considering that I received emails from a few MG aff programs (no > than a week ago ) saying it was business as usual...

Now after the Bill's signed, I've received 4 updates, two of whom a week ago stated business as usual...The exluded USA states:

1.Michigan
2. Illinois
3. Louisiana
4. Oregon
5. Washington
6. Wisconsin
7. Indiana
8. Nevada
9. South Dakota
10. New Jersey
11. New York

I think MG has a had a BIG hand in the final exclusion policies being issued.
 

Lord_Have_Mercy

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I honestly believe they will start targeting players like they did people that downloaded copyrighted songs. With these new laws that they just passed a few weeks ago, while no one was playing attention. It will be quite easy for them to raid us citizens and get away with it. I think they will randomly target citizens to scare and make an example of. I for one will be extremely careful (if possible). B&M casinos maybe the way to go. We have a over zealous admin in office. That went from targeting terrorist to now targeting the american people. Dont be surprised if men in black ski mask shows up and kick in your door. Because you decided to play a "friendly" hand of Blackjack.
 

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I honestly believe they will start targeting players like they did people that downloaded copyrighted songs. With these new laws that they just passed a few weeks ago, while no one was playing attention. It will be quite easy for them to raid us citizens and get away with it. I think they will randomly target citizens to scare and make an example of. I for one will be extremely careful (if possible). B&M casinos maybe the way to go. We have a over zealous admin in office. That went from targeting terrorist to now targeting the american people. Dont be surprised if men in black ski mask shows up and kick in your door. Because you decided to play a "friendly" hand of Blackjack.

The bill passed two weeks ago has nothing to do with whether online gambling itself is illegal but rather that banks, credit cards, etc. are not to take transactions dealing with gambling debts. It didn't change anything else and life is the same as before with the exception of the difficulty of using US financial entities for online gambling. If they want to jack-boot your door down, why haven't they done that before? Shirley they would have served notice to the general public at large that they would do this but the law provides no provision or authority to take such measures.
 

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Does anyone know where the selection of these 11 states came from. I understand a few had laws that previously made online gambling illegal, but i live in nj and ny and as far as i know there are no laws against online gambling.
 

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It pretty much has ended for me. Only places left I can play is RTG because I am in NYS. I don't have a choice!
 

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This may be true from a regulatory/enforcement perspective, but with operators/software providers reacting as they are - it certainly seems to signal the start of the end of "legitimate" online gaming in the States.

I'm astonished Microgaming/Crypto et al are pulling the plug so quickly.

I agree - considering there are still no regulations or counteractions framed (that's what the 270 days are for) but this is going to go underground for sure imo.

The industry will readjust as it always has done, although the damage will be - and already has been - considerable.

BTW as far as I know MGS has not issued any public statement - it looks as if it is leaving its licensees to inform their players although I'm sure there will have been some guidance in respect of the forbidden states.
 

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And a complex project like this..with time restrictions?? Don't see it happening... proposals stand a quicker chance of getting introduced to amend this bill altogether before this would even happen.. IMO

Goodlatte is still lurking in the wings, too....and he has said on several occasions recently that he is disappointed that Frist axed his Wire Act update in order to get 4954 attached to the ports security bill AND that he intends to reintroduce the Wire Act as soon as practicable.
 

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They already have stopped players from making transactions using credit cards a few years ago. I figure soon you no longer will be able to use any type of prepaid Visa card such as netspend. Firepay has already pulled out so they (Goverment) will come after Neteller now (since it is the #1 method used to play online) and put the heat on them to stop accepting transactions from USA players. USA banks will soon no longer accept transactions using Neteller. That would pretty much pull the plug on USA players. Even if a way is figured out to deposit you no longer will be able to cash a withdrawal check at any USA banks if it can be traced to online gambling.
 

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They already have stopped players from making transactions using credit cards a few years ago. I figure soon you no longer will be able to use any type of prepaid Visa card such as netspend. Firepay has already pulled out so they (Goverment) will come after Neteller now (since it is the #1 method used to play online) and put the heat on them to stop accepting transactions from USA players. USA banks will soon no longer accept transactions using Neteller. That would pretty much pull the plug on USA players. Even if a way is figured out to deposit you no longer will be able to cash a withdrawal check at any USA banks if it can be traced to online gambling.

I believe if this scenario crops up it will only be temporary. With a potential $6billion market waiting there, you are bound to see about 100 offshore "intermediaries" popping up, unfortunately unlikely to all be reputable, but nonetheless an "anonymous" transfer mechanism that would be hard for US banks to track.
 

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Im not worried about cashing checks as checks are excluded, as I believe.

My bank already dclines most ewallets ecept central coin and Instadebit.
I prefer istadebit as there is no surcharge on my end.

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I have to agree with lovetogamble....

We've already seen several examples of funding options either get yanked or mysteriously fade away. Neteller, if they have the guts and the desire, would need to show evidence of a higher percentage of transactions going to non-gambling merchant/members. I'm fairly confident that an audit would turn up quite the opposite. If this were a Presidential election year, you can bet Bush would be spending more time in consultation with that valued group of Advisors he has. There's something intrinsically wrong with our Constitution that would allow a totally unrelated matter to sleaze its way in like a Trojan horse, for the Prez' blessing. He'd be better off paying closer attention to terrorists and options to get us out of that war zone. Come to think of it, gaming online kept me occupied enough to stay off his back. I also agree with those who say it will fizzle out AND that the damage has already been done. But tracking our individual wagering habits? It smacks too much of Orwell's "1984". All I know is I'm climbing the walls, bored to distraction.

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There's something intrinsically wrong with our Constitution that would allow a totally unrelated matter to sleaze its way in like a Trojan horse, for the Prez' blessing.

Apparently this backdoor legislating is quite common in Congress - there's an excellent and disparaging article about the process (which apparently has a name - it's called Christmas Tree-ing!) by Declan McCullagh at C-Net

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Thanks, Dominique for that link on State laws concerning gambling (this is the perfect resource.. been looking for something like that for a while)

But some of the states provisions really seem a little "off the wall"...

(3) Michigan has exceptions for Senior citizens homes and state fairs.

... couldn't that be interpreted as "age discrimination"?? :rolleyes:
 

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Apparently this backdoor legislating is quite common in Congress - there's an excellent and disparaging article about the process (which apparently has a name - it's called Christmas Tree-ing!) by Declan McCullagh at C-Net

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I can see why so many President's have tried to get the "Line-Item Veto" enacted/enforced. This practice comes short of taking a bribe, IMO, (we'll give you this as long as you agree to this). A little ironic that the Supreme Court declares line-item veto unconstitutional. I noticed in his speech before signing, even Bush did not speak of the online gambling provisions attached, probably because he (or his speech writers anyway) may have even seen it as ludicrous to talk about an "irrelevant" matter when discussing the important one of Port security.

But, with some media the way it is, how would it have looked when the headlines would have read "Bush Vetos SAFE PORT Act"?? It seems to be a catch 22. But it really is the job of the reviewing committees and those on the Floor to throw these provisions/amendments out before it even gets presented to the President. Only upper hand that Frist had was that this got submitted at such a hectic, busy, and vulnerable time when Congress was in session past midnight...but, to me..that's not an excuse.
 

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Frist's supposed to be under investigation for insider trading & other dubious scallywag acts connected to (vegas B&M) casino shares, is he not?
 

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Apparently this backdoor legislating is quite common in Congress

in theory this way of getting a bill passed would allow parties to make deals and help break up stalemates. of course, in reality this practice is abused to no end.

Mark Foley was a master at backdoor legislating.
 

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