[Wild Speculations] Ecogra dispute service closed?

[hugh.r.walker75]

I know this might be mind blowing for you but maybe....I dunno....ask the casino? , Especially if you have already been kicked from other casinos for a style of play.

Poor player. Cry me a river. I've been to the forums same as many of you. They discuss how to beat the casino and warn of the risk of being banned. We all know what many of these players are doing. Plenty of forums that won't ban the player for this sort of thing. Many of you are members there ...

Amin

 

[maxd]

In case anyone has been holding their breath waiting to hear what happened here -- ha! -- I can report that we haven't heard a blessed peep from the OP. No chockies, no flowers, no heartfelt "thanks" for forwarding that email he so desperately wanted. Nothing, not even icecream. I'm not feeling the love here. :sob:

 

[skiny]

In case anyone has been holding their breath waiting to hear what happened here -- ha! -- I can report that we haven't heard a blessed peep from the OP. No chockies, no flowers, no heartfelt "thanks" for forwarding that email he so desperately wanted. Nothing, not even icecream. I'm not feeling the love here. :sob:

If he's not replying to emails it must be something serious.

Alien abduction, maybe. Spontaneous combustion?

I wonder if he even still exists.

 

[maxd]

I wonder if he even still exists.

Me too! Keeps me up at night. If this story was any sadder I'd disown all my posessions and go live in a hole somewhere.

 

[hakapuku]

Finally I should say that the window of opportunity for a PAB from the OP has passed: given his activity and his track record for repeating it I think the end result of a PAB is pretty much a foregone conclusion and not something we'd care to waste time on.

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There is something I don't quite understand. So you banned the OP at Casinomesiter. Then you wrote that there is no chances for PAB. And then, 3 days later, you ask about why the OP (who is banned) is silent and why he did not file PAB ?

 

[Nifty29]

There is something I don't quite understand. So you banned the OP at Casinomesiter. Then you wrote that there is no chances for PAB. And then, 3 days later, you ask about why the OP (who is banned) is silent and why he did not file PAB ?

Ermmm...the OP has been banned in the past few days.

You'll have to go find another "poor innocent player" case I'm afraid.

 

[hakapuku]

Ermmm...the OP has only been banned TODAY.

You'll have to go find another "poor innocent player" case I'm afraid.

the OP was banned 3 days ago on 26 of November. That is for sure.

" You've wasted eCOGRA's time, my time and I dare say our readership's time with your bogus "all I'm trying to do is get an answer" BS. So yeah, to the curb you go, as previously promised albeit for slightly different reasons." Maxd post, November 26.

 

[maxd]

As it happens hakapu is pretty much correct regarding the dates. I'm sure he bunks with the OP so he'd probably know.

There is something I don't quite understand. ....

As I recall the genesis of the post was something like:

• write everything up to an including the "window has passed" bit.
• get new info from contacts re: the OP.
• forward the OP the email he wanted.
• go back and review the case, decide the OP is toast.
• update the post to include the boot notice.
• (some days later) decide the post needs an update re: silence from the OP.

Voila! Not sure why you would give a fat rat's arse about any of the above but there it is, hope it floats your boat.

And FTR I did not come back 3 days after I banned the guy to ask (publicly) why he had not PAB'd. That would be a bit dim, no? Either you are being creative with the facts or you woefully misunderstood something somewhere along the way. Respectfully suggest you clean your glasses and try again.

 

[Nifty29]

the OP was banned 3 days ago on 26 of November. That is for sure.

Well you might be right. I don't know for sure....how do YOU know for sure?

The OP was given several opportunities to PAB which they declined.

Max implied that there was clear evidence of fraudulent behaviour in the information provided by eCogra and, as such, decided that a PAB was pointless...and hence the OP was banned...and rightfully so.

Since you are adamantly defending the OP, based on as much information as the rest of us have (which is a small portion only), what extra evidence do YOU have to bring to the table? Or are you just championing yet another fraudster? It seems you take these fraud cases VERY personally.....hmmmm...

Are you on the bottom or top bunk?

 

[hakapuku]

Well you might be right. I don't know for sure....how do YOU know for sure?

The OP was given several opportunities to PAB which they declined.

Max implied that there was clear evidence of fraudulent behaviour in the information provided by eCogra and, as such, decided that a PAB was pointless...and hence the OP was banned...and rightfully so.

Since you are adamantly defending the OP, based on as much information as the rest of us have (which is a small portion only), what extra evidence do YOU have to bring to the table? Or are you just championing yet another fraudster? It seems you take these fraud cases VERY personally.....hmmmm...

Are you on the bottom or top bunk?

Fraudulent? There was nothing fraudulent mentioned about the OP's actions. Now when the OP is banned for 3 days already, you and Maxd can say whatever you want. And Maxd will even ask- "why is OP so silent? He must be a fraudster!". I really don't like what I see and what I read in this thread. My feeling of fairness is getting seriously damaged.

 

[maxd]

My feeling of fairness is getting seriously damaged.

That's pretty rich coming from one of the biggest trolls on our forums. Almost everything you post is intended to damage, defame, and undermine the reputation of your host(s) and this site. As I recall you've received multiple infractions for such. And you have the brass to grumble about a bruised "feeling of fairness"?

Remember that little phrase of yours when you've finally gone one step too far and get the boot for good. That "feeling of fairness" is what you should be thinking about every time you post here. Without that you'd have been a fading memory a long time ago.

If hypocracy made one's head explode I reckon you'd have made a proper mess of your troll hole this morning.

As to my post about the OP's silence:

• it was a joke. In truth I could care less if I never hear from or about the guy again. Somehow I doubt I'll be so lucky but that's another issue.
• the OP's "complaint" here was complete BS. Whether he had received his "get stuffed" email from eCOGRA or not the bottom line is that he had been booted from at least two major casino groups for his advantage play activities. He knew exactly what he was doing and what to expect from his eCOGRA efforts, email or no.
• his purpose in posting here was not to get an email from eCOGRA. It was a blatant attempt to use our forums as a platform to damage eCOGRA. My purpose in pointing out that he'd said nothing after having received the email he said he wanted was that he (almost certainly) never gave a damn about the email in the first place, he wanted to damage eCOGRA and that was as far as his interest in the subject went. That done, job done, he's a ghost. And yes, typical fraudster behaviour.

If fraudsters -- and their friends -- don't like being treated bruskly then they should behave better. Otherwise they get the stick they've got coming, sometimes.

 

[skiny]

Me too! Keeps me up at night. If this story was any sadder I'd disown all my posessions and go live in a hole somewhere.

Someone should call his local authorities and report this.

"Hell, officer? I'd like to report a missing person.

"How long has he been missing? It's hard to say.

I emailed him several days ago and he hasn't replied....

... Hello?"

 

[maxd]

Quite!

 

[Tirilej]

Now I feel I have to defend Hakapuku a little because what he ask and say here is thoughts I've had myself.
I have sent pm's to Max questioned almost everything he have said in this thread so I get the suspicion

The difference is maybe that I've trust in what Max is doing and what he's dealing with.
It must be tough when you want to think people are good and they aren't. On the other side you can also understand why people are doing these things. At other places they learn how to beat bonuses. They learn that it's ok to try and fool the casinos. They learn that this place is horrible where we always defend casinos, are bought, and well there are some not nice words said about this forum and the people here.

Maybe sometimes I can think that it's not ok to make fun of these people since they are just humans like you and me. They just have been though the wrong etics.

So I believe the OP was a fraudster or at least that he tried to win in a not so fair way. He's purpose with coming here I won't speculate about since I'm not in his head.
So please keep up your good work Max, and sorry, I don't mean to question you again, just explain my thoughts

 

[maxd]

I well understand that some of the things said, and done, here would be totally unreasonable if an average, innocent person were the recipient. But the point is that not all who post seemingly innocent stuff here are what they claim. As such the treatment they receive may be decidedly brusker than how we'd handle a Joe Average situation.

Whether one wishes to debate the term "fraudster" or not the basic truth is that a goodly number of folks out there are dedicated to bending, twisting and breaking casino Terms -- and our forum Rules -- for their personal gain. They have a definite motive, profit driven, to both appear innocent and vigorously attack those who would expose and/or thwart them. And so it is that our dealings with them often come down to us-vs-them confrontations. For instance, you'll often notice that they work in teams -- person A will post something and if it gets questioned then persons B, C and D will suddenly pop up put of nowhere to cry of oppression and mistreatment -- and we have to be doubly vigilant to determine the legitimate responders from the muppets.

To put it bluntly we deal with a lot of liars, cheats and thieves both here and off the forums and that sometimes makes us look like the bad guys. All I can ask is that anyone who decides to judge us look at the situations from arm's length and without assuming anyone's guilt or innocence. Just ask "what gain is being sought?" I respectfully suggest that a fair percentage of "innocent complaints" are anything but when you sniff out the facts and the motives behind the stories being presented.

In my day-to-day work on PABs I deal with this sort of thing -- and often these very same people -- on a regular basis. And unfortunately the situation is getting worse year by year: fraud-related cases were around 20% five years ago, today it's closer to 40%, maybe more.

As for the gangers from elsewhere that conspire there to do damage here I have no sympathy: they are vandals and thugs. In the real world there are laws and police to deal with such criminal activity but here on the web we largely are left to fend for ourselves. And so we do. If sometimes that makes us look like the aggressor that is unfortunate but under the circumstances aggressive action is often our only effective defence. Not an attractive spectator sport sometimes I know but the alternative -- letting them run the show -- is not an option.

 

[Tirilej]

Well, we who don't know, can still not read your mind or the OP's mind. We haven't seen anything.

But by being sarcastic or to make fun of someone that can't defend themself don't look so good in my eyes.
I've made mistakes in my life too, and some really bad stuff, believe it or not. I'm still not an evil person.

I will continue to believe in the good in people.

I will also continue to trust you.

There are a lot of rough things being said in this forum, but there is a lot of love in it too

 

[hakapuku]

I well understand that some of the things said, and done, here would be totally unreasonable if an average, innocent person were the recipient. But the point is that not all who post seemingly innocent stuff here are what they claim. As such the treatment they receive may be decidedly brusker than how we'd handle a Joe Average situation.

Whether one wishes to debate the term "fraudster" or not the basic truth is that a goodly number of folks out there are dedicated to bending, twisting and breaking casino Terms -- and our forum Rules -- for their personal gain. They have a definite motive, profit driven, to both appear innocent and vigorously attack those who would expose and/or thwart them. And so it is that our dealings with them often come down to us-vs-them confrontations. For instance, you'll often notice that they work in teams -- person A will post something and if it gets questioned then persons B, C and D will suddenly pop up put of nowhere to cry of oppression and mistreatment -- and we have to be doubly vigilant to determine the legitimate responders from the muppets.

To put it bluntly we deal with a lot of liars, cheats and thieves both here and off the forums and that sometimes makes us look like the bad guys. All I can ask is that anyone who decides to judge us look at the situations from arm's length and without assuming anyone's guilt or innocence. Just ask "what gain is being sought?" I respectfully suggest that a fair percentage of "innocent complaints" are anything but when you sniff out the facts and the motives behind the stories being presented.

In my day-to-day work on PABs I deal with this sort of thing -- and often these very same people -- on a regular basis. And unfortunately the situation is getting worse year by year: fraud-related cases were around 20% five years ago, today it's closer to 40%, maybe more.

As for the gangers from elsewhere that conspire there to do damage here I have no sympathy: they are vandals and thugs. In the real world there are laws and police to deal with such criminal activity but here on the web we largely are left to fend for ourselves. And so we do. If sometimes that makes us look like the aggressor that is unfortunate but under the circumstances aggressive action is often our only effective defence. Not an attractive spectator sport sometimes I know but the alternative -- letting them run the show -- is not an option.

So it is only us (the casinos and Casinomeister) and them (the players) ? That is kinda interesting. Once Casinomeister
presented itself as a "player's advocate". Now it looks that this advocate changed his client for the opposite side.
So in your picture it looks like "the casinos" are always the good and fair ones and the players are those who try to cheat them.
Offcourse , it would be stupid to say that there are no many players-fraudsters out there trying to scam casinos.
But on the other side- it would be also stupid to say that the casinos are always managed by saints and are always
fair. And their motivation is no different than any player-fraudster's motivation: PROFIT. So the truth must be
somewhere in the middle- and not totally on the casinos' side (as it is clearly shown in your last post). Casinos do lie, casinos do cheat,
casinos do steal players' money! And when I read you it feels like I read a casino manager, not "players' advocate".

 

[Nifty29]

Well, we who don't know, can still not read your mind or the OP's mind. We haven't seen anything.

But by being sarcastic or to make fun of someone that can't defend themself don't look so good in my eyes.
I've made mistakes in my life too, and some really bad stuff, believe it or not. I'm still not an evil person.

I will continue to believe in the good in people.

I will also continue to trust you.

There are a lot of rough things being said in this forum, but there is a lot of love in it too

Thing is tirilej...

Since NONE of us have ALL the facts, we can choose to either:

1. Form our own opinion based on a small portion of the truth

2. Form our opinion based on the assessment of others, with a PROVEN track record of fairness and ethics, who HAVE seen ALL the facts.

In other words, we can either take the word of some blow-in who can't lie straight in bed and has a history of fraudulent behaviour at other sites, OR we can take the word of people who we know and (should) trust.

If you want to take the OP at their word, that's your choice. Personally, I'll take Max's word over some bozo with an agenda any day.

I think people forget that there have been MANY operators rogued and/or called out for shady practices here over the years, and many of them the result of a PAB. Hardly the MO of people who "always take the casino's side".

Insofar as not taking shots at a banned fraudster....well IMO they have forfeited the right to any kind of respect by lying to me and trying to gain my sympathy and assistance....and treating the forum as a vehicle to propogate their fraudulent behaviour.

 

[DepositSpinLose]

please stop this bullsheet topic!

hey mods please stop this topic! I am so tired of checking in to see if anything means anything just to find that is was as useless thread to start with.

gee tanks for your attention to my stupid request to a stupid thread.

Deposit(manytimes)Spin(usuallylessthanRTP)Lose(96%ofthetime)

 

[Tirilej]

Thing is tirilej...

Since NONE of us have ALL the facts, we can choose to either:

1. Form our own opinion based on a small portion of the truth

2. Form our opinion based on the assessment of others, with a PROVEN track record of fairness and ethics, who HAVE seen ALL the facts.

In other words, we can either take the word of some blow-in who can't lie straight in bed and has a history of fraudulent behaviour at other sites, OR we can take the word of people who we know and (should) trust.

If you want to take the OP at their word, that's your choice. Personally, I'll take Max's word over some bozo with an agenda any day.

I think people forget that there have been MANY operators rogued and/or called out for shady practices here over the years, and many of them the result of a PAB. Hardly the MO of people who "always take the casino's side".

Insofar as not taking shots at a banned fraudster....well IMO they have forfeited the right to any kind of respect by lying to me and trying to gain my sympathy and assistance....and treating the forum as a vehicle to propogate their fraudulent behaviour.

I agree with what you're saying, apart from the last sentence. But that's me and I think that there is a need for both of us in this world and in this forum. I also knows that both you and Max are really nice people

With my posts I was maybe not clear enough that I did not believe in the OP. I believe what Max says is the truth.

I just wanted him to understand that with being so rough in his posts maybe that it will have the opposite effect than what he wanted.
Honestly I get a little scared myself and I often wonder if I really have the guts to speak up my mind. I still do it and I try to not regret it afterwards.

 

[jetset]

Is it not time to put a fork in this thread - it really has outlived its usefulness imo?

 

[maxd]

Is it not time to put a fork in this thread ....

Sure, why not. It's not like anyone is hoping to achieve enlightenment here or the like.

If anyone has something they feel they need to add just drop one of us mods a note via PM.