Why the hell have fortune lounge been allowed back??

Ok Bryan then would you likewise consider removing all the banners promoting bonus offerings from your web site? Every last single one of them...
Too bad you don't live in the states, you'd have a banner free site :D

So around 40% of the visitors here are not "tempted" by bonus offerings. They decide whether or not to click through a link based solely on other things besides a bonus.

What I was getting at is that bonuses are not obligatory even though there is a population of players who believe they are. When you release yourself from this train of thought, your stress levels are greatly reduced.
 
Hello Roar! I hear what you are saying, but lets take all the anger out
of it for one minute.... This is one of the few sites that definately
puts the players interests ahead of making money.

About players wanting to win: sometimes the easiest way to beat
a casino is to play no bonus....
I do agree that "smart" players should not be looked at as
"Bonus abusers" but if I ran a casino I would look at it very differently.
That said: Casinos can always do a better job in their terms explaining
bonus abuse. The more people try to exploit bonus weakness the stricter
the terms get. It stinks, but this is the way of the world..

I look at it like this:
It is similar to Vegas banning card counters, even though they are not actually breaking a law.

About banners: CasinoMeister has 1% of the banners that most sites
have.. I do not think he is sticking bonuses down anyone's throat.
EDIT** OOPS I am in the "land of the free" so I guess I do not see all the banners**

Keep in mind: CasinoMeister would probably make MILLIONS more
if this site was run differently than it is.. I think Bryan hates money personally... :lolup:


Good Luck to you Roar, I am sorry this has left a bad taste in your mouth. :thumbsup:
 
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I just received the most pleasant email from one of our members:
Fortune lounge still does screw people with signup bonuses. The still haven't changed there T&C! And you, goddamned, still have them an your accredited list: https://www.casinomeister.com/accredited-casinos/ . How much do they pay you?!! How far in the ass of Fortune lounge are you. You goddamn nasty low malicious slippery scumbag wanker!!

Hoping to never hear from you again, you fake-ass faggot!!
Fake-ass faggot? Good one. :D

Anyway, I thought one way to turn all this negative energy into something more positive, I'm going to start a new thread for FL T&Cs suggestions. I want those who are dissatisfied with their current terms and conditions to submit their suggestions here.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/fortune-lounge-terms-and-conditions-suggestions.23020/

Serious suggestions only please. Perhaps FL will consider what you propose and change what they now have.
 
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a donkey said:
Fortune lounge still does screw people with signup bonuses. The still haven't changed there T&C! And you, goddamned, still have them an your accredited list: https://www.casinomeister.com/accredited-casinos/ . How much do they pay you?!! How far in the ass of Fortune lounge are you. You goddamn nasty low malicious slippery scumbag wanker!!

Hoping to never hear from you again, you fake-ass faggot!!

Who speaks like this to a human being? :what:I guess the terms
"wanker" shows where they are from. I can not beleive you
deal with this kind of crap. You definately deserve 10x the amount of money you make.
This is shocking and I wish I had not read it.
 
I'm amazed that anyone can be so frustrated with making their own decisions or anyone else for that matter, that they would take their anger and point the finger at someone else. It's just so da*n funny I spit half of my first cup of coffee on the floor. "What a waste" :rolleyes:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems from this email this person thinks what is posted here at the Casinomeister is etched in stone and is the holy grail and final word when people signup for casinos. Nope! "No pun intended of course"

It's a free service website that offers it's time and services to keep an eye on online casinos and basically give them rating on the services they provide and business practices they use nothing more nothing less. Then a player makes choices for themselves.


This is a new one on me such edicate! You goddamn nasty low malicious slippery scumbag wanker!! :D
 
If people are going to start going after advertising for everything that might be bad for them we've got a lot of work cut out for us: pharmaceuticals, tobacco, alcohol, junk food, McDonald's, bungie-jumping, white water rafting, cell phones, candy, TV, travel to a great many countries, brand name clothes made in third-world sweatshops, etc etc. Surely allowing those to pass but targeting casino bonuses is "hypocrisy of the grandest order".

Max I never intended to convey the meaning that ALL advertising of Casinos should be banned. You quoted me out of the context of my post. I qualified my statement in the sentence immediately following.

Accordingly your post above is not relevant on my perspective within this topic of discussion.

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What I was getting at is that bonuses are not obligatory even though there is a population of players who believe they are. When you release yourself from this train of thought, your stress levels are greatly reduced.

I am not sure I understand this point at all.

Are you suggesting that players should NOT take a bonus in order to reduce stress? Because I would have thought the exact opposite represents the truth.

Play without a bonus (or definable edge) will inevitably lead to financial loss saving striking six numbers in Lotto. Losing money will surely not lead to reduced stress levels - on the contrary, it will increase them.

Accordingly, it seems to me the only responsible course of action to take is to encourage the take up of a bonus with the view to exploiting a definable edge. It is inconceivable to me a Player Advocate would advise otherwise.

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it seems like you are trying to be argumentive, but common sense would tell you that cm meant that if you don't take a bonus then there is no stress related to wager requirments or unallowed games or any other myriad of reasons people don't get paid by casinos, you just lay your bet and if you win you get paid, if you don't then walaa you don't...see no stress, but i gotta go you stress me out
 
Max I never intended to convey the meaning that ALL advertising of Casinos should be banned. You quoted me out of the context of my post. I qualified my statement in the sentence immediately following.

No, your "sentence immediately following" was this:

How can a player be chastised for taking a SUB when he is merely responding to flashing advertising banners begging him to take such SUB on every page.

And I'd use basically the same line of rebuttal: one who responds to "flashing advertising banners" is responsible for their actions, not the person sponsoring the banner.

My point is this: take responsibility for your actions and you'll (generally) be treated like an adult. Refuse to take responsibility for your actions and you deserve to be treated like a child. Adults have some reason to expect to be listened to and respected; children are told what to do and get respect when they demonstrate that they are worthy of it.

That said, I'm beginning to think Petey has it right: I think you might be doing this intentionally, trying to wind us up or whatever. That's called being a "troll" and is not a recommended course of action for anyone who wishes to be taken seriously hereabouts.
 
No, your "sentence immediately following" was this:



And I'd use basically the same line of rebuttal: one who responds to "flashing advertising banners" is responsible for their actions, not the person sponsoring the banner.

My point is this: take responsibility for your actions and you'll (generally) be treated like an adult. Refuse to take responsibility for your actions and you deserve to be treated like a child. Adults have some reason to expect to be listened to and respected; children are told what to do and get respect when they demonstrate that they are worthy of it.

That said, I'm beginning to think Petey has it right: I think you might be doing this intentionally, trying to wind us up or whatever. That's called being a "troll" and is not a recommended course of action for anyone who wishes to be taken seriously hereabouts.


How many times are you going to misrepresent me in one thread?

I wrote: :"IMHO the advertising of bonuses cause the problems in the first place. They specifically invite the player to win "free cash" and take advantage of the promoted "give-away"."

Your judgment is again being called into question. Myself and others gave you a leg-up in the wake of the Lucky Ace cock-up. If this is your way to reward my previous support then that says more about you than me. Irrespective please don't misquote me and don't pluck sentences out of their context.

The reference to the placement of flashing banners on this site has nothing to do with taking responsibility in the context of this thread (context again). I am not going to dignify your remarks any further.

You got a hide calling me a troll. If the issues raised in my posts are just too difficult to address then sobeit. Your attempts at discrediting the messenger will be seen for what they are worth.
 
From what I recall, after the link fiasco where they closed 4000 accounts (60% of which were proven to be fraudulent). They agreed to re-review many accounts including ones that had money confiscated, and ecogra also was pretty good about ruling towards players caught up in the big fraudulent wave of players they banned (unfortunately, ecogra has not been as helpful in recent days from what I've read).

I've heard nothing but positive things about Fortune Lounge in recent days. They've had a couple of monumental PR failures as a casino group, but in general have operated excellently overall. It's a shame that their slipups have been so large, but they've more or less corrected their previous mistakes (I had a Fortune Lounge account that was erroneously locked, then reopened later) and seem to be operating more than above the board lately. I support them being let back on.
 
It has nothing to do with anything financial - those who know me, and I have a public track record going on ten years here, know that I am not motivated by money. I am motivated by being fair.

This is unquestionable for those of us who have read this forum even for a short period of time.

I'd recommend an automatic one week ban on attacks of moderators and webmasters of this site. That includes the thinly-veiled attacks on their character disguised as "you are only promoting them for the $$$$".


Many fraudsters will resort to name-calling, flaming and other asshat tactics to try and get paid, and its disrespectful. Most of the people who make posts here attacking the moderators have been posting long enough to know that internet anonymity is not a license to be an incendiary idiot and deserve the ban, and the new users, ought to have the basic respect and decency to read the forum enough, and educate themselves to not make these kind of baseless attacks against webmasters as accredited and well-known as Meister and MaxD. Especially when they are going to be begging for help via the Pitch a Bitch form the next day.
 
Your judgment is again being called into question.

That would make two of us. I quote you, you complain about being misquoted. :what:

Whatever, I still think you're being a troll and trolls have a way of outing themselves given the opportunity to do so. So please, the floor is yours.
 
...Most of the people who make posts here attacking the moderators have been posting long enough to know that internet anonymity is not a license to be an incendiary idiot and deserve the ban, and the new users, ought to have the basic respect and decency to read the forum enough, and educate themselves to not make these kind of baseless attacks against webmasters as accredited and well-known as Meister and MaxD. Especially when they are going to be begging for help via the Pitch a Bitch form the next day.
Spot on. I'm a very tolerant person and I dislike muting people via a ban. But there are other forum tools that can be used to correct misbehaviour.

Or I can just give people enough rope... :D
 
Bonus issues

The problem is the wordiness of the bonus altogether.Hedge betting is used in games like Baccarat, Roulette, Sic Bo, but is used a lot in Craps.Hedge betting is also used in sports betting.

Hedge betting being a problem, that is a red flag for the bonus.Next it'll be "You can't regress your bets, only progress your bets, in order to achieve your bonus, after X amount of money has been wagered".

Perhaps going on a similar route like poker sites do for their bonuses, and use a credit method theme, for so many credits achieved, then activate the bonus, and have guards in place for when people attempting to swap credits, with other friends and aquaintances to unlock the bonus.

This casino, sounds to me is being run more like a con, than a normal brick and mortar casino would be run, and even some of those brick and mortar casinos are run by crooked governments and organized crime.

Then you have casinos like Virgin, who discriminate against Canadians too, yet they sell their phone and records here, so you can see how attitude affects all of these business handlings, by different companies that are accreddited.

The wording on these bonuses are con like in their nature.It's not even a fair business contract, and anyone reading the conditions of this bonus, should be on "buyer beware" alert from the start.

Part of this problem, is the different IQ's of people on both sides of "gaming".There are special olympians who gamble, and even they think the casinos <online or brick and mortar> are honest business people, who will look out for them if a problem does happen.Like a good parent would look out for their children.

It goes for all bonus, just do them differently, with good intention and business sound, and have the responsibility issues, fall on the responsibility of the player and the company, because the player has to protect their accounts from being hijacked by hackers or terrorists, fraud by the player, protecting their account from savvy children and friends/family, just like having a bank account online.

That's the problem with business on the internet period, gambling or buying something through amazon, ebay, any .com for that matter, is that business integrity matters.

If there are billionaires out there, that lack business ethics in the way a business would conduct itself with a minor, then these billionaires and multi millionaires, will rip off adults too.

This is a global issue too, that affects every continent.

Does my message make sense to any of you?

Nobunaga













Before any withdrawals are processed, your play will be reviewed for any irregular playing patterns e.g. playing of equal, zero margin bets or hedge betting, which all shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes.
Other examples of irregular game play include but are not limited to, placing single bets using your entire or the majority of your account balance, where the majority of that balance is made up of bonus balance. The Casino reserves the right to decide in its sole discretion which activities constitute irregular play for bonus play-through requirement purposes from time-to-time and to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet bonus play-through requirements.


The fact that the player never fully knows if their funds are safe and the continued arbitrary use of this clause to confiscate winnings keeps me from ever playing there. What's even crazier is 3 of my FL accounts got banned, 2 keep receiving "we want you back" bonuses.[/QUOTE]
 
Hello Nobunaga! I think your suggestions would get
better exposure in the new thread about Fortune Lounge T & c's :thumbsup:

new thread for FL T&Cs suggestions. I want those who are dissatisfied with their current terms and conditions to submit their suggestions here.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/fortune-lounge-terms-and-conditions-suggestions.23020/

Serious suggestions only please. Perhaps FL will consider what you propose and change what they now have.
 

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