Why MG doesn't offer multiplayer games??
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speaking of multi-player:
I was playing blackjack at Intercasino last week with two other players at the table. A new player joins and first hand hits his seventeen against the dealer's two. He took the dealers bust card (hole card was a ten), the dealer draws a nine, everybody looses. WELCOME TO THE TABLE A-HOLE!
I'll give the guy credit though, he did apologize, saying he hit the wrong button (mouse fart).
OTOH, there have been times when it seems like the addition of another player has turned a bad run of cards for the better.
And don't get me started about the players who take the entire count down to decide they are going to pass the next hand.
Maybe I should play more microgaming. Too bad I win most at Crypto's.
I was playing blackjack at Intercasino last week with two other players at the table. A new player joins and first hand hits his seventeen against the dealer's two. He took the dealers bust card (hole card was a ten), the dealer draws a nine, everybody looses. WELCOME TO THE TABLE A-HOLE!
I'll give the guy credit though, he did apologize, saying he hit the wrong button (mouse fart).
OTOH, there have been times when it seems like the addition of another player has turned a bad run of cards for the better.
And don't get me started about the players who take the entire count down to decide they are going to pass the next hand.
Maybe I should play more microgaming. Too bad I win most at Crypto's.
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The only fun I have from playing multi-player games is through the utter astonishment of how many bad BJ players there are out there.
Splitting cards is always the most amazing - seeing 4's and 6's split when dealer showing face or ace is a sight to behold
Splitting cards is always the most amazing - seeing 4's and 6's split when dealer showing face or ace is a sight to behold
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What do you care how other people play? It is their money!
If everybody plays the same, then we might just as well send an
army of robots in there to play for us! No fun!
If everybody plays the same, then we might just as well send an
army of robots in there to play for us! No fun!
I only care when it affects my chances of winning. Like previous posters have said, there are so many bad players out there that screw up the table for everyone else. Its ok if you want to watch others play, but you don't really want them playing with you if they are going to screw you up do you?
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Also, another player's decisions can't lower your expected return. Here is a section from the wizardofodds gambling myths section:
Myth: That idiot at third base is killing me.
Fact: A common myth at the blackjack table is that a bad player, especially one in the last seat, will disrupt the natural order of the cards and cause everyone to lose. It is true that such a player sometimes will make a play that will result in the dealer beating everybody rather than breaking. However in the short run such a player is just as likely to help you as to hurt you and in the long run they won't make any difference. The cards are in random order and they are not prearranged to make the dealer break assuming correct play. If anyone rebukes you for hitting a stiff hand at third base tell them you'll keep doing so when the odds favor it and if they don't like it they can find another table.
My first time ever playing blackjack I was at a land casino. I had a 14 versus a dealer 5, and because I didn't know what the hell I was doing I hit. I got a 7 which was fine for me but the smarmy gambaholic at the table with me was totally pissed. He kept ranting on about me hitting the dealers break card. What a jerk. I had told the dealer that I had never played but she rudely said she couldn't help me. I moved to another table and got a dealer that told me the basic strategy for every hand until I learned the ropes, plus some players that were actually having fun. So anyway don't scold a player for bad plays. They are just as likely to help you as hurt you.
Myth: That idiot at third base is killing me.
Fact: A common myth at the blackjack table is that a bad player, especially one in the last seat, will disrupt the natural order of the cards and cause everyone to lose. It is true that such a player sometimes will make a play that will result in the dealer beating everybody rather than breaking. However in the short run such a player is just as likely to help you as to hurt you and in the long run they won't make any difference. The cards are in random order and they are not prearranged to make the dealer break assuming correct play. If anyone rebukes you for hitting a stiff hand at third base tell them you'll keep doing so when the odds favor it and if they don't like it they can find another table.
My first time ever playing blackjack I was at a land casino. I had a 14 versus a dealer 5, and because I didn't know what the hell I was doing I hit. I got a 7 which was fine for me but the smarmy gambaholic at the table with me was totally pissed. He kept ranting on about me hitting the dealers break card. What a jerk. I had told the dealer that I had never played but she rudely said she couldn't help me. I moved to another table and got a dealer that told me the basic strategy for every hand until I learned the ropes, plus some players that were actually having fun. So anyway don't scold a player for bad plays. They are just as likely to help you as hurt you.
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bethug said:dirk and them same people want to run to this forum say the games is fixed and they cant even play
I run this forum. What be you sayin'?
bethug said:jpm, i like when people cant play, i know for a fact the casino will have money to pay me
LOL, good point!
I don't really believe in the wizard's view on bad players at your table. I think they do affect your game, at least in the short term. Over the long term (thousands of hands or more), I'm sure the affect probably becomes negligible, however, most of us don't have the bankroll to survive that long with a bad player screwing up the table. I've had it happen too many times at land based casinos to think its not going to affect the table.
However, I never say anything to the bad player who is screwing up. I think that is obnoxious behavior. I either grin & bear it waiting for them to bust (take a quick peek at their stack to see how long it will last), move to another table, take a walk with my seat saved, or even offer some advice if they don't know how to play a particular hand and seem perplexed. But I can't stand the ones who berate someone else at the table for making a bad play.
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jpm said:
You don't have to believe the Wizard :notworthy, he is still right. Your play does not affect the other players' expected win or loss. It affects the outcome of individual hands, but not the expectation. Sometimes the deviation from correct strategy makes no difference, sometimes it will save you by causing the dealer to bust when he would not have busted otherwise, but people don't tend to thank 3rd base when this happens.
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jpm said:
I think is the first time, I see someone not agreeing with the Wizard!!!
GrandMaster said:
That's what I said, I agree when it comes to EXPECTED return, but since it is a short term game in that scenario, it certainly affects your actual return. If everyone was playing thousands of hands, it'd probably even out, but the bad player will bust out before then and will take some other players on the table down too.
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How? Would you mind to give me an example? I do know that the short term and the long term expectation are the same. If the house has an advantage, he will have the advantage be it 1 or 10,000 hands. The more hands we play, the more likely the outcome will "converge" to the expectation.jpm said:
I just can't picture how the bad players would change the outcome of my game. Maybe my feeble mind is just too rusty to come up with anything meaningful.
Hmm, come to think of it, maybe their bad play would encourage casinos to offer better promotions?
I myself always avoid playing with the others.The pace is just too slow and that effect my hourly rate.
