Why in the world would you keep playing at Rogues?

[Tengil]

FWIW Betfair has also confiscated winnings from SUBs with the same reasoning (spirit of bonus) as in the HH fiasco.

And I played there after the HH fiasco, they suddenly sent a reload (100% 50€) after like 1 year of silence. Won 400€ and was paid but never heard of them again. Maybe they will send one next year again?

Edit: for most roguish or shady outfits problems start when you win "too much". Mid four figures is usually the breaking point.

 

[H1_Roller]

FWIW Betfair has also confiscated winnings from SUBs with the same reasoning (spirit of bonus) as in the HH fiasco.

Just a dodgy outfit as far as I'm concerned. Wouldn't go near them. A Rogue is a Rogue.

 

[sandykauf]

I really don't agree with "a rogue is a rogue". All rogues on this site are not alike but
They appear on a list together. Places like goldvip club are listed here as black hat seo or something like that.
Based on what I've read, they are one of the most rogue casinos that don't pay
Legitamite winners. Winward casino is another terrible casino, but I don't
Think the are on the list.

I like how sportsbook review rates sportsbooks between A-F. The bad ones are
Not all lumped together, but rather receive individual grades. I wish there was
A website that graded all the online casinos in this way and was an established reference
Site like sportsbook review is for sports gamblers.

This site tries to do that, but is not as specific with individual grading. All the accredited
Casinos listed here should not receive an A because they are not all cream of the crop.

 

[Simmo!]

I wish there was a website that graded all the online casinos in this way and was an established reference site...

I've toyed with this idea many times. Even programmed an automated grading system based on specifics but there is one issue I struggle to deal with. If one lists casinos that are truly rogue it still gives them publicity and some players will still go there.

I know this because I tried an experiment. Listed a casino that I know is actually safe but scored it very low, made it look like a place you wouldn't want to play at and reviewed it with a very negative review. Still people went and played there.

So I ended up doing something similar to what you suggested but without "true" rogues on the premise that any publicity is good publicity, even if it only attracts one player. I bet SR sends players (even if it's only by referencing them) to bad sportsbooks unwittingly and that helps keep those rogues in business. I think SR is a great service, don't get me wrong, but that is a downside.

 

[Casinomeister]

Years ago (me thinks 2003 or so) I was offered money to keep a casino group in the rogue section. They were already in there and the operator said it was the best publicity he ever had and wanted to pay me a lot of money to keep them there. I told him to take a hike and changed the casino's hyperlink to menwholooklikekennyrogers.com. In fact, I changed all rogued casino hyperlinks to this site. Unfortunately, the webmaster blocked traffic from Casinomeister, so I had to kill all of the links. Now I don't list the casinos with live links for this reason.

 

[H1_Roller]

menwholooklikekennyrogers.com :notworthy

Seriously though, I don't get this "grades of Rogueness". A Rogue casino is in the pit for a reason/many reasons, and deserve to be there full stop.
If you were the victim of a burglary, would you say he was only a 'bit of a burglar' because he only stole your TV and DVD player, and therefore doesn't deserve to be tarred with the same brush as someone else who might've broke into your home and cleaned you out? Not quite the same thing, but Rogues do steal your money in the dirtiest, sneakiest of ways.

 

[sandykauf]

I look at sportsbook review before depositing at a sportsbook because they also upgrade
And downgrade sites which maintains the "current environment" for the individual
Sportsbook. I've deposited at C rated books before too and never had a problem.

Should a place like betfair be always graded e or f or in the rogue pit forever?
Based on some players perspective, this place is an a or b because they do pay
And fairly quickly. When sportsbook review gets reports of players being paid
In a previously negative situation, they upgrade them to show the effort.

I like the dynamic ugrade or downgrade because it's current.

 

[Przecinek]

I tend not to play with rogues or casinos that have unclear terms&conditions, allowing easy money confiscation.

I do however try new casinos that pop up from time to time - in this case I have to take a risk higher than usual.
The longest time I've waited for my WD was from "The gamblers palace" - took around 5 months to sort out.

 

[bryand]

Warning - Slots Jungle

[cross-posting]

Slots Jungle: "We are experiencing a delay with withdrawals and are trying hard to get it fixed." per live chat. My interpretation: at least 3 months.

Anyone collect from them lately?

[/cross-posting]

Back on topic. Why did I play there anyway

In fairness to the semi-rogues, I was jerked around by both iNetBet and ClubWorld with withdrawals this month. I've been a member at both for 4 or 5 years. Another faxback form? Same address, same phone. Really??

 

[Nifty29]

[cross-posting]

Slots Jungle: "We are experiencing a delay with withdrawals and are trying hard to get it fixed." per live chat. My interpretation: at least 3 months.

Anyone collect from them lately?

[/cross-posting]

Back on topic. Why did I play there anyway

In fairness to the semi-rogues, I was jerked around by both iNetBet and ClubWorld with withdrawals this month. I've been a member at both for 4 or 5 years. Another faxback form? Same address, same phone. Really??

IMO slots jungle and Winpalace etc should be rogued based solely on their policy of holding player winnings to ransom by very slow payment and pathetic low weekly max, quite apart from their disgraceful public behaviour lately and likely involvement in ddos attacks.

You're right in asking why you played there, but being fully informed now should convince you to stay away in future (I hope).

If you still want to feed them, KasinoKing still recommends them and has all the latest bonus info to help you make the right choice.....

 

[Przecinek]

Actually I got paid from Winpalace promptly ...no delays apart from their obsecene 7 working day reverse period or so, no $500 dolar cashout problem (I withdrew almost twice as that). It's just one of the ways of discouraging advantage players I guess and they don't inforce it on each and every player. I would actually suggest putting them on probations if it wasn't for this whole ddos attack thing which made me realize they have to be in some seriously dirty business and I'm maybe being paid for a reason.

Still I have ambigous feeling about this lot. Never played in slots jungle so can't comment.

 

[Nifty29]

Actually I got paid from Winpalace promptly ...no delays apart from their obsecene 7 working day reverse period or so, no $500 dolar cashout problem (I withdrew almost twice as that). It's just one of the ways of discouraging advantage players I guess and they don't inforce it on each and every player. I would actually suggest putting them on probations if it wasn't for this whole ddos attack thing which made me realize they have to be in some seriously dirty business and I'm maybe being paid for a reason.

Still I have ambigous feeling about this lot. Never played in slots jungle so can't comment.

Slots Jungle = Winpalace FYI

The cashout policies have nothing to do with advantage players. It is a deliberate action of delaying payouts to entice players to play back their winnings.

If you had to wait 7 days for your withdrawal to be processed, you were not paid promptly at all. Receiving your cash in 24 hours from the time you cashout is being paid promptly.

If you realize they are in some dirty business (very likely) then you should seriously consider this when deciding where to spend your cash.

 

[max1mike]

Whats even better is when a forum helps the rouge. This other forum I view doesnt seem to really have the players interest at hand. I can recall a few months ago a mod or admin on this site actually posted an article about some big wins at cool cat. I did ask why would you help advertise a rouge. I told them my opinion was people would possible go deposit because of that article. I cant really recall the response, but basically it was something along the lines of it wasnt promoting.

i made a comment on a forum that blatently promotes rogues, and by the reaction i got you would have thought i was satan. several members from here that saw commented on the thread, agreed with me, and got the same cold response.

a wise old man once told me: "its all about the money"...and that is how some other forums think.

 

[Kotsy1]

IMO slots jungle and Winpalace etc should be rogued based solely on their policy of holding player winnings to ransom by very slow payment and pathetic low weekly max, quite apart from their disgraceful public behaviour lately and likely involvement in ddos attacks.

You're right in asking why you played there, but being fully informed now should convince you to stay away in future (I hope).

If you still want to feed them, KasinoKing still recommends them and has all the latest bonus info to help you make the right choice....

Was that necessary? Seems like a direct slap in the face to KasinoKing

Why not post all the other memebers here who have sites and promote them.

Nifty.......be a good boy. It is Christmas

 

[chuchu59]

Well said Kotsy. I have full faith in KK's integrity and he is not one who will push innocent players to the jaws of rogue casinos. Actually, why kid ourselves? The rogues must have done something smart to be able to maintain a huge base of players. If you are a lo-medium roller it is likely you find the rogues attractive because of the bonuses they offer. The fact that they do pay when amounts do not reach 4-figure sums also mean they are good casinos in the eyes of many players. Of course the same players do not realise that when and if they hit big they wont get their money .

It is time to get off our high horse and examine the practicalities of the issue in hand. The rogues arent just surviving, they are thriving especially when some top casinos are feeling the pinch of the global economic slowdown. Condemn them if you want but players still flock to them due to the reasons above. Why did Virtual employ Marty Davis last year? The reason is simple.The casino was probably losing a lot of customers and decided it was worth paying back some of the outstanding payments to players to maintain a solid player base. Were they intent on turning over a new leaf? Cerainly not! I do feel for Marty however as I believe he has done his best for the players.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Oddly enough, I see the odd screen shot on here from wins at rogue casinos. Beggars belief. In fact, there is a fairly recent one from Betfair if I remember correctly.
The only casinos I ever play at are those listed here as good to go.

I thought Betfair were legit,won about £100 from a less than £1 spin at Betfair a few months ago-got paid in my MB account within 12 hours-no fuss over docs or anything.....

 

[Nifty29]

Well said Kotsy. I have full faith in KK's integrity and he is not one who will push innocent players to the jaws of rogue casinos. Actually, why kid ourselves? The rogues must have done something smart to be able to maintain a huge base of players. If you are a lo-medium roller it is likely you find the rogues attractive because of the bonuses they offer. The fact that they do pay when amounts do not reach 4-figure sums also mean they are good casinos in the eyes of many players. Of course the same players do not realise that when and if they hit big they wont get their money .

It is time to get off our high horse and examine the practicalities of the issue in hand. The rogues arent just surviving, they are thriving especially when some top casinos are feeling the pinch of the global economic slowdown. Condemn them if you want but players still flock to them due to the reasons above. Why did Virtual employ Marty Davis last year? The reason is simple.The casino was probably losing a lot of customers and decided it was worth paying back some of the outstanding payments to players to maintain a solid player base. Were they intent on turning over a new leaf? Cerainly not! I do feel for Marty however as I believe he has done his best for the players.

Excuse me, but all I did was state a fact. Not an opinion or point of view or theory. A fact.

I did not make any remarks of a personal nature, and merely highlighted the fact that KK insists they are A-OK and totally legit.

If KK or anyone else sees this statement of fact as a "slap in the face" it says something about that fact, doesn't it? I mean, if he is totally behind the casinos he promotes, then why would he or anyone else be concerned or find it "insulting" when someone mentions that he promotes a certain casino? If I had said "he promotes 32red" we wouldn't be having this discussion so what's the problem?

I I had a whole lit of stuff typed but I don't want it to become a discussion about individual members. Too many of these have gotten ugly and I don't want a part of that any more.

 

[KasinoKing]

If KK or anyone else sees this statement of fact as a "slap in the face" it says something about that fact, doesn't it? I mean, if he is totally behind the casinos he promotes, then why would he or anyone else be concerned or find it "insulting" when someone mentions that he promotes a certain casino? If I had said "he promotes 32red" we wouldn't be having this discussion so what's the problem?

I I had a whole lit of stuff typed but I don't want it to become a discussion about individual members. Too many of these have gotten ugly and I don't want a part of that any more.

I know you hate the Affactive Group - that is your prerogative - and so I have come to expect your "little digs" about them inserted into threads at any opportunity.

As I said to you before, they are highly regarded in the gambling community as a whole and have not been proved to have done anything wrong. If Bryan thought they were "seriously dodgy" I'm sure he would have rogued them, but as it stands they aren't even on his "Not Recommended" list.
If he does rogue them I will immediately remove them from my sites. I don't list ANY rogue casinos.
Shame we can't say that about some other gaming portals.

Anyway, it's the season of good will - so Merry Christmas!
KK

 

[chuchu59]

Merry X'mas KK. Have a good time with your kids.

 

[bryand]

I know you hate the Affactive Group - that is your prerogative - and so I have come to expect your "little digs" about them inserted into threads at any opportunity.

As I said to you before, they are highly regarded in the gambling community as a whole and have not been proved to have done anything wrong. If Bryan thought they were "seriously dodgy" I'm sure he would have rogued them, but as it stands they aren't even on his "Not Recommended" list.
If he does rogue them I will immediately remove them from my sites. I don't list ANY rogue casinos.
Shame we can't say that about some other gaming portals.

Anyway, it's the season of good will - so Merry Christmas!
KK

Season's Greetings, KK.

You may want to revisit your trust in these guys. Not only are they not currently paying out but also not returning emails (from a week ago!). Live chat doesn't know what to say. Recent postings on similar fora reveal trouble brewing - greater than the usual U.S. processor issues. Of course if my long-overdue wire was to hit soon I'd probably go away quietly In any event, I will think twice (or 3 or 4 times) before giving them any more of my money.

And don't you find it troubling that CM banned their forum rep? How often does that happen?