Why do people join rogue casino's??

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Hi Meister heads,

Hey I just want some of your guys feed back on why you think people will sign up to rogue casino's before they will do any research AT ALL.

I was up the top of the website earlier saying hello to the new members and noticed a few have signed up with complaints regarding the rogues such as coolcat and all of virtual casino's. Why dont they do any research to find out about the casino they are about to join, It blows my mind that they are quick to give there money away and any personal detials to go along with it.
I know they get spammed the shit out of but looking at the spam emails is enough of an indicator surely!!

I know casinomeister and max are fed up when they see a new thread here saying "virtual wont pay" as it is the same story over and over.

Do you all think it has dropped off and more people are becoming aware of the rogue casino's, or has it increased???

When the client does end up getting ripped of what searches do they do to come across casnomeister??

What entices them to join rogue casino's more than accredited ones??

I personally think it's becoming a trend!!
 

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same_old, it's easy, IMHO, it's called bang for the buck! With ridiculously high bonuses being offered, a small deposit goes a long way. Once the player gets fleeced, they look on the web for answers. Voila! there's Casinomeister. :D
 

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Another reason is that many just dont care whether they are rogues or not. I remember Virtualted mentioning that he had customers that just want to play and if the casino read the player right and shower him with appropriate bonuses or sometimes even daring them to beat the highest winning sessions, they fall for it.

In my early online gaming days, I didnt care which RTG, MG or Playtech outfit it was. I just liked to play and play even without cashouts. Only when it came to the crunch and I wanted to cash out did I know they were very unwilling to pay. That was from the now defunct Vegas Strip casinos powered by RTG. I didnt know of this site then but I was lucky to find help from the revered Julie Sidwell of Gambling Grumbles and received muy money. After that I accidentally found this great site but there are many out there who dont know how and where to find info or help and that is where the problem lies. Accredited casinos? I doubt whether those have not graced this forum have ever heard of that term. This is going to be a slow process but eventually the players will get wiser and smarter but mostly after they have received a setback or two fronm these rogues.
 

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Another reason could be this: and again, Ill probably piss some people off but you asked and I want to answer honestly.

First, I wanna say that I dont "go looking for rogues" Before I joined casinomeister and knew about rogues I played at 2 of them , again before I knew about rogue. I dont know if they are rogued now because I havnt played there for different reasons having nothing to do with a problem

One was 32Vegas..This place got ripped to hell here and to be honest, that was the very FIRST online casino I ever played at. I remember it like it was yesterday and I wish I did get screwed LOL. I deposit the $20, get $50, played the WR ( i had to call to find out if it was met because i was so new) and still cashed out for $700. I hit for $500 on one spin w/o even a bonus spin feature. I got paid with no problem but then US was banned and I could no longer play

The other Play United (at the time it was rogued). It was then called Ibetyoubet.com. I played there almost everyday and got several payments very fast.

This is my take on rogue....Every once in awhile they will obviously pick some ppl who win and get paid with ease leaving others in the dark and they leave more in the dark than paid and it gets them rogued.

Now PLEASE: THIS DOES NOT MEAN TO PLAY AT ROGUED AND TAKE A CHANCE. Since joining here, I 99.9 stick with accredited. But you gotta realize, some ppl are gonna be treated at rogued or they wouldnt be in business. I know someone personally who played at club player with no problems EVER and got paid on time all the time.

That is my honest answer and I dont think Rogued should be dismissed in PAB but also not encouraged and should get a small "i told you so" too
 

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I too started my online playing at a rouge ( connectocasino) they had these huge bonuses 900 % and I was playing long time on my little deposits. I never won enough to get burned, ( thank God ) I think people play at rouges because they're naive to know any better. Its just like the stories in Rag magazines- my Mother thinks its all true or they cant print it :what: I was under the impression these casinos couldn't exist unless the were honest and paid if you won.
I feel for the people that get burned by these Rouge casinos - because it could have very well have been me. Just my opinion. :D
 

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I played a true rogue casino, by MY experience with them! To others, it wasn't considered a rogue, for they were treated fairly.

I use to list casinos considered a 'rogue' operation by many on my first little community forum, but didn't make a list of the ones players considered 'good/recommended', or many of the so-called 'rogues' would have also been on the 'good/recommended' list.

It all depends on what forums/webmasters decides for THEIR viewing audience.

I lumped ALL the casinos in a certain group of casinos as being a rogue, just by my unpleasant experience with just one, but soon became more mature in my thinking/feelings, and realized, it was the one casino, not the whole group I had an issue with.
 

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To me in my own opinion they are all Rouge casinos.
They all promise the World to ya.Most all of them have issues on hand.
You just have to watch out for them places that run out of a garage.
 

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Happily, my very first casino was bet365 :) I deposited 200$, received 200$ bonus, cleared it out and cashed out very nice bunch of money :thumbsup:
However, I have accounts in many rogue casino, in which I registered in order to receive n/d bonuses (well, I registered many accounts in the accredited MG casinos because I wanted to play 1 Free Hour :D) or HUGE bonuses (like 1000% or higher - few times I had made deposits into these casinos and received REALLY bonuses, ). Well, I was ready to lose money I deposited, so when I lost it, I wasn't sad or angry (more money - more fun)and wasn't feeling like committing suicide :)
So, when I had seen good n/d bonus, or HUGE bonus, I just registered new account and played for fun :)
 

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What is meant by "research"? To the uninformed newbie to online gambling, that probably means a simple Google search, which is basically useless unless the uninformed newbie also includes the term "rogue" in the search.
Case in point...Google "Virtual Casino". I only checked the first ten pages, but there is exactly ONE link to any mention of Virtual Casino that isn't positive, or simply an ad for a forum offering free chip codes...Casinomeister.
And that's on page two.
Google "The Virtual Casino", and it's the same story, except page one has the 'meister link. Still, page after page of positiveness.
As I said, the newbie doesn't know the terms "rogue" or "blacklist" when first starting out, so I try really hard to give most newbies the benefit of the doubt when they get screwed as a first timer at a rogue. However, I also have very little sympathy for the old timers who get screwed over...they have no excuse.
 

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The problem is that once you go under the A list Casino's the landscape is not black and white but grey. For example a rogue casino doesn't neccessarily mean a no pay casino. And a casino can go from accredited to rogue in an instant. Also there are a lot of casino's not listed here that are very safe, definitely safer than some casino's that are accreted here.

In short it is very hard to make judgements. Just because a casino is accredited here doesn't guarantee you will be paid. And if you play at a casino that is not here it doesn't mean you won't be paid.

I am not trying to knock CM but at the same time he is an affiliate and doesn't have a magic wand as such. Companies can run out of cash very quickly and the landscape can change very fast. And ofcourse you have to respect the fact that nearly all the safe casino's don't accept US customers.

If you are in Europe I would play at any casino based in Aldernay and then Gibralter. With Malta you have to go 100% on the reputation of the company.

In summary I would say this - Byran is not a god! He is not master of the universe. He is a decent guy doing an excellent job but do your own research. Look at the financial pages and the share prices. Make your own calls.
 

swampwitch

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And ofcourse you have to respect the fact that nearly all the safe casino's don't accept US customers.

Sorry, but that's not quite true.

While we can't play at old and safe favorites like Intercasino, Lasseters, and 32Red, there are myriad honest and reliable casinos that still want our custom. InetBet, Casino World/USA, Bodog, most of the Microgaming (some minus the dreaded 11 states nonsense), etc.

I'd bet that most US players and/or affiliates don't miss Playtech...at all.

The problem is that once you go under the A list Casino's the landscape is not black and white but grey. For example a rogue casino doesn't neccessarily mean a no pay casino. And a casino can go from accredited to rogue in an instant. Also there are a lot of casino's not listed here that are very safe, definitely safer than some casino's that are accreted here.

I'll agree with that. Even the roguest of the rogues pay, more often than not. As a player I avoid them. As an affiliate I won't touch them...which is why I'm no super affiliate and probably won't ever be.

In summary I would say this - Byran is not a god! He is not master of the universe. He is a decent guy doing an excellent job but do your own research. Look at the financial pages and the share prices. Make your own calls.

I've disagreed with Bryan on more than a few occasions...but I've yet to see him call himself infallible. I doubt he even owns red shoes or a miter.
 
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Also there are a lot of casino's not listed here that are very safe, definitely safer than some casino's that are accreted (sic) here.

Bryan requires a face-to-face meeting as part of the accreditation process. Surely if these very safe casinos would want to come on board they can contact the Meister. :D

I am not trying to knock CM but at the same time he is an affiliate and doesn't have a magic wand as such. Companies can run out of cash very quickly and the landscape can change very fast. And ofcourse you have to respect the fact that nearly all the safe casino's don't accept US customers.

Sorry mate but this American finds your statement a wee snobbish and very uneducated. :p

In summary I would say this - Byran is not a god! He is not master of the universe. He is a decent guy doing an excellent job but do your own research. Look at the financial pages and the share prices. Make your own calls.
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Again, you are trying to irritate moi? Can't recall Bryan ever even suggesting he was a god or master of the universe. What Bryan does at this site for his loyal members is look at financial pages and share prices and make phone calls and emails. Saves me a lot of time!
 

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Hi all,

well I visited after a long time gone due to just bein' busy. In all due respect (and it is a lot as there was a time when CM was about all I had as credible backing about my rantings on RTGs) I offer a somewhat ... call it biased angle on what are considered rogue casinos.

In almost every case i have agreed with CM, but someone told me that Casino Rewards were on the rogue list (and I hope I'm wrong, I've not enough time to search) in which case I do not condemn his choice but IF that is the case then i must say that life is seldom fair, it is often not what you know but rather who, and what may be bad for some is quite secure for others depending upon who it is that is backing them.

example is that i have promoted Casino Rewards for near ten years and never had a serious complaint and I run a cash-backed guarantee which almost ensures I would hear of any unreasonable problems or issues and that has just not been my experience nor that (obviously) of players who sign through my sites.

Rather than add further self-promotion I offer the advice that choosing an online casino through a reputable portal or gambling guide gives you an added insurance that if you have a problem you can contact that guide and they, with their 100s, if not 1000s of players both present, past and most importantly future, which they represent: will be at risk of loss to that casino in question if they are not treating players sent from that portal or guide site in a fair and honorable manner.

It is for that reason and the years of experience i have invested in working with Casino Rewards, whom I might add have more than once given in to a player's demands even though the player's issue was not necessarily one of actual merit: just to keep that player happy, their reputation in sound standing and from this guide's POV, reason for me to make such posts as this one.

Very few intelligent or even half-assed legit casinos will risk such bad media, loss of so many players ... all to cheat a single player out of whatever amount their issue may add up to being.

which is why it is so important to choose from a reputable guide or portal owner whom you know will be available if you need to contact and that will be a person of their word to the extent the casinos know and respect that fact so they don't try to test the resolve of the affiliate in question.

Lastly is a story I'd like to share. I once when very early on, had listed silversands casino. I got a signed player for one out of every 30 visitors sent there which is amazing by most any standards.

when I noticed the attention I investigated the casino further (keep in mind I was new and had no idea there was such a gap between good and bad casinos) and then I started finding negative media. about three days later I posted warnings for people to NOT play there, they would possibly get cheated. I provided links to other RTGs which were much more reputable.

It hardly made a dent. I finally took down the link to silver sands stating if people were so intent on getting cheated that they'd have to find the place some other way, i would not help them to get cheated any further.

And I run a cash-backed guarantee for cryin' sake! You'd think that would be a heck of a hint that this guy must have a reason for not backing this place, and for calling them all but out and out cheats, and for refusing to provide a link to that site.

But it slowed down very few.

I can say however i did get some emails from people saying they'd remembered me, found the site again and wrote thanking me for trying to warn them.

I understood. I still make that mistake though now days its usually about women and not gambling :).
 

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In almost every case i have agreed with CM, but someone told me that Casino Rewards were on the rogue list (and I hope I'm wrong, I've not enough time to search) in which case I do not condemn his choice
Time to write a very long (and very good :notworthy) post, but not do a search? :confused:

It took me literally less than 20 seconds to click "Rogue Pit" and do a search for "Rewards" - and you will be glad to hear they are not on there! :thumbsup:

KK
 

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Its very easy to find yourself on a rogue casino.

People are generally just playing for fun.

They are attracted by the big bonuses and think $2000 bonus, cool. I'll give that a shot.

It's fair enough to assume that if they are accepted my major credit companies, they should be safe enough.

It's when they try to cashout, the rogue casino becomes apparent.

I stick with the major bookmaker sites because I feel they honor their bets. I still think the bonus abuse issue is a bit of a piss take and can happen at most sites.

Gambling is a risk at the best of times. People are impulsive. Few people will sit down and look for a problem before it occurs.

They are buying into a dream of winning big.

I hope the regulars on this forum do their research.

I wouldnt expect other people to do the research because their trust has not been broken yet.
 

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I played a true rogue casino, by MY experience with them! To others, it wasn't considered a rogue, for they were treated fairly.

I use to list casinos considered a 'rogue' operation by many on my first little community forum, but didn't make a list of the ones players considered 'good/recommended', or many of the so-called 'rogues' would have also been on the 'good/recommended' list.

It all depends on what forums/webmasters decides for THEIR viewing audience.

I lumped ALL the casinos in a certain group of casinos as being a rogue, just by my unpleasant experience with just one, but soon became more mature in my thinking/feelings, and realized, it was the one casino, not the whole group I had an issue with.

Jinnia, this apology has been long overdue. I know I ranted on you and others (God rest his soul) while defending Virtual and their clones. I am truly very sorry for that. You were right and I should have listened to you. My head was so far up my :eek2: that I missed your points. My very bad......
 

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Jinnia, this apology has been long overdue. I know I ranted on you and others (God rest his soul) while defending Virtual and their clones. I am truly very sorry for that. You were right and I should have listened to you. My head was so far up my :eek2: that I missed your points. My very bad......
First I'll say, "No Apology Neccessary"!
Second: Since you gave one, "Apology Accepted"!

Suzecat, it's human nature to not listen and follow.
We ALL have to do thangs our own way, that's the only way we truly learn.

We just do what we feel is right at the time.

Thank you, I appreciate what you said!!
 

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Bryan requires a face-to-face meeting as part of the accreditation process. Surely if these very safe casinos would want to come on board they can contact the Meister. :D



Sorry mate but this American finds your statement a wee snobbish and very uneducated. :p

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Again, you are trying to irritate moi? Can't recall Bryan ever even suggesting he was a god or master of the universe. What Bryan does at this site for his loyal members is look at financial pages and share prices and make phone calls and emails. Saves me a lot of time!


Yep I agree there, I know for a fact that bryan does meet people before posting them here at CM. Our guys from Centrebet went over last year to the ICE ( not sure of the name sorry) in Amsterdam, we had a stall there and the marketing guys met Bryan and we are now accredited and posted here.
So we had to travel from Australia just to get on this list so he does have a good evaluation period before posting them here.
 

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I think a big part is due to the overwhelming amount of websites that andvertise rogue casinos, and then on top of that the amount of rogue casinos out there, it's hard for any newbie to online gambling to get lucky and find the right information site before getting burned.

Also, if any newbie finds a website that has allot of freebie hunters that go after all the free chips this could be a potenial wasp nest before they understand that 3/4 of the casinos that offer free chips mainly RTG are rogue.

Just depends whether the google search takes them to the right websites. No doubt the more you know there's less chance of getting burned.
 

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Bryan requires a face-to-face meeting as part of the accreditation process. Surely if these very safe casinos would want to come on board they can contact the Meister. :D



Sorry mate but this American finds your statement a wee snobbish and very uneducated. :p

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Again, you are trying to irritate moi? Can't recall Bryan ever even suggesting he was a god or master of the universe. What Bryan does at this site for his loyal members is look at financial pages and share prices and make phone calls and emails. Saves me a lot of time!


But what good is a face to face meeting with a marketing manager if the casino doesn't pay? You are being very naive to think just because they have shook hands with Bryan that everything will be fine and dandy. It didn't help anyone who played at Hippo Jo when they took off with everyone's cash.

I am not saying it was Bryan's fault or anything but my point is he can't know everything there is to know about every casino's finances. All I am saying is do your own research too and get more than one person's opinion. What harm can that do?

As for the US scene - I wasn't meaning to knock anyone or be arrogant but the fact remains that thanks to the bizarre anti gambling lasws in the US all US players are playing in a totally unregulated field. I mean if Bodog or these other Costa Rican companies decided to stop paying anyone one day what could you do? The difference is that in the Uk he have proper companies with real tangible assets that are highly regulated. It's the same in Australia and there are some encouraging noises from Europe too.

As for companies not on here - I have no idea why that is and it is nor really my business. It is good to see Paddy Power on now but Totesport, Sky Blue Sq and William Hill are not. You can also add Expekt, Mybet and Betsson. Not sure if Partygaming is on her either. Or Boylesports or StanJames.

As for the bit about Bryan being a Master of The Universe - you have got it the wrong way round. I wasn't claiming that Bryan thought he was one but warning against people having blind faith in all that he does. I think some people seem to forget that at the end of the day he is running a business here and has to put bread on the table just like anyone else.
 

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But what good is a face to face meeting with a marketing manager if the casino doesn't pay? You are being very naive to think just because they have shook hands with Bryan that everything will be fine and dandy. It didn't help anyone who played at Hippo Jo when they took off with everyone's cash...
I just want to nip this in the bud real quick because I believe you are making an erroneous implication.

Hippojo was NEVER an accredited casino, nor did I ever give a 100% approval for them. I stated that I knew the operators and they were stand up people. And I think I only mentioned this once. I also offered to mediate any player complaints for them. That's it.

It's funny how some people assume I had their banners plastered all over the place - and giving them kudos left and right. It never happened.

They were never listed here - period.

BTW, I don't meet with only a marketing manager - most times it's with the operator or owner(s).

...I think some people seem to forget that at the end of the day he is running a business here and has to put bread on the table just like anyone else.

Most people who know me know that I am not motivated by money. Never have been. I also consider myself a webmaster - not an affiliate. I think many people get these terms all criss-crossed.

Why do players patronize rogue casinos? There are just as many reasons as there are types of players. There are the players who do not have the skills to do any worthwhile research - either they don't know how to use Google, common sense, or they don't read/speak English well (about 40% of the membership in this forum are non-native English speakers).

Players don't care - they take chances - they're gamblers and this is gambling :D

There are different types of rogues as well. Casinos that promote themselves with unethical tactics may be roguish to me, but they still may be paying their players.

Look at how the Virtual casinos always are boasting how they pay their players (just as long as you don't win over $1000). They gloat over this, but at the same time pull stunts like the September 11th Twin Tower promotions. Rogue with a capital R - but many players couldn't care less. :rolleyes:

In the end - a fool and his money are soon parted. Not much else to say besides that.
 

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Quick note:

As for companies not on here - I have no idea why that is and it is nor really my business. It is good to see Paddy Power on now but Totesport, Sky Blue Sq and William Hill are not. You can also add Expekt, Mybet and Betsson. Not sure if Partygaming is on her either. Or Boylesports or StanJames.

Then just ask:

WH - customer service sucks. Totesport - is getting ready to but we haven't gotten it together yet (same with Bwin). Blue Square was listed but their casino rep moved on - he was never replaced so bye. Partygaming - umm, tricky one. I've had some very public issues with their previous software (iGlobalmedia), a few loose ends, but they have shown an interest to come on board. Betsson - reps are AWOL. Boyslesports - never met them. Stanjames - maybe in the near future.

You see, I don't bring on people unless I've met them, and there is the requirement that they have a rep in the forum. I'm a busy guy and these operators/marketing managers/whomever are just as busy as I am. It may not be as non-complicated as I make it out to be :p
 

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Besides the obvious reasons behind rogue casinos, casinos not paying players or accusing them of bonus abuse or rude customer service and that list goes on.
What makes one bad casino for one player is another players dream casino,
the bad ones must be paying someone or they wouldnt still be around some players must be happy with them or they would of moved on also. There is a lot of reasons people stay with the casino they play with and have had no probs with the bad ones. When that point arrives they will move on, yet on some of the accredited ones ive seen over and over a few of us regulars have moved on from them also for their silly ways. Bonus offers that just are not there late payouts. Play malfunctions and so on. Just like the retail world out there many companies you stay clear of many other customers are very happy with them.
 

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But what good is a face to face meeting with a marketing manager if the casino doesn't pay? You are being very naive to think just because they have shook hands with Bryan that everything will be fine and dandy. It didn't help anyone who played at Hippo Jo when they took off with everyone's cash.

I am not saying it was Bryan's fault or anything but my point is he can't know everything there is to know about every casino's finances. All I am saying is do your own research too and get more than one person's opinion. What harm can that do?

As for the US scene - I wasn't meaning to knock anyone or be arrogant but the fact remains that thanks to the bizarre anti gambling lasws in the US all US players are playing in a totally unregulated field. I mean if Bodog or these other Costa Rican companies decided to stop paying anyone one day what could you do? The difference is that in the Uk he have proper companies with real tangible assets that are highly regulated. It's the same in Australia and there are some encouraging noises from Europe too.

As for companies not on here - I have no idea why that is and it is nor really my business. It is good to see Paddy Power on now but Totesport, Sky Blue Sq and William Hill are not. You can also add Expekt, Mybet and Betsson. Not sure if Partygaming is on her either. Or Boylesports or StanJames.

As for the bit about Bryan being a Master of The Universe - you have got it the wrong way round. I wasn't claiming that Bryan thought he was one but warning against people having blind faith in all that he does. I think some people seem to forget that at the end of the day he is running a business here and has to put bread on the table just like anyone else.

What you say is true, players need to make decissions based off of research of the online gambling industry, the who's who and how they conduct business etc. However, after many of years with doing just that "research" with online gambling the casinomeister website has covered a vast amount of the who's who and how they conduct business that's for sure, was all successful" no, that's just not possible, "Like Hippo joe as you metioned" but for the most part the success rate is high considering this.

There's not one online casino that has to follow any guidelines at any website or care if their casino is rogued or not rogued here at the casinomeister website, it's about ethics, and when casinos show concern about what goes on here with palyers issues that shows good business ethics. It's about mediation not only for the player but the casino as well, I see that as positive for both the palyer and the casino, let the cards fall where they fall and if the players wrong they picked the wrong place to PAB and bring up false accusation against a casino. Casinos that are willing to come forward and resolve players issues bad or good is a step in the right direction and establishes a good reputation. Which gains players trust.

People who play online casinos ask for very little, most important is trust and being paid if they win, have good answers from support when they ask questions and fair terms and conditions.

at the end of the day he is running a business here and has to put bread on the table just like anyone else.

Sure it's about money, but it's also about standing behind players that sign up for accounts and being able to offer some assurance they wont just be ripped off when they do. I'm not saying there's no other websites but this is a good place to start.

For now as to regulations, USA players have no choice but to rely on the casinos availiable to us if we are going to play online. Until the government wises up there's nothing that can be done about that. But that doesn't mean there's no casinos to play at or they will just shut us down and steal our money. Actually, I feel just the opposite at the casinos I play at, when I win they pay when I have questions they answer them, so even though it is a small maket for USA players there's still casinos that can be trusted.
 
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