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Why are some casinos using Everymatrix?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Balthazar, Apr 2, 2014.

    Apr 2, 2014
  1. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    I recently went back to playing at RedBet and couldn't believe how nice NetEnt slots can be. Not only the slots look 10x better but they also play 10x better than what you'll find on Everymatrix. Clear, crisp slots with no lag, no disconnect and no "server's response on winning spins is slower than on losing spins" crap. I hadn't played non-Everymatrix NetEnt since last year @ Unibet so that was quite a surprise.

    This isn't a jab at the casinos using EM but the platform clearly isn't on par with the competition and I'm wondering why they went with them? I see new casinos going there now and it leaves me scratching my head.

    Do they even know before signing up? Is EM cheaper? Are they friends with the Everymatrix people? Are they hoping that they will get better with time? WHY?
     
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  2. Apr 2, 2014
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I equated the slow spinning thing to Quickfire rather than EveryMatrix but you may be right - just that whenever I see a game loading with the Quickfire logo I expect laggy spins now.

    Anyway, either way, I doubt an operator will be able to test before signing up and it's highly unlikely they will have extensive experience of playing on that platform at other live operators.

    But you are right - some places are just unplayable sometimes.

    Mind you it seems to be becoming a wider issue: anyone tried playing Playtech's Marvel slots recently? I've tried at 3 places and all of them are totally unplayable - regularly 10 seconds+ per spin.
     
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  4. Apr 2, 2014
  5. Blathaon

    Blathaon Meister Member

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    I'm guessing a lot of casinos choose Everymatrix due to them already having the licensing deals with the software providers and the software tools too run a casino, so it's probably a lot faster to get a casino up and running by going through them rather than getting everything sorted by yourself.

    As for whether it is cheaper or not, my guess is that it probably is.

    I have lost all confidence in the Everymatrix lag issues being sorted anytime soon, it's been a year since my first encounter with casinos using EM and they still have the same issues. Which is a real shame as most of the casinos offer decent bonuses and pay quickly without any issues.

    Looking at the Everymatrix site it also becomes clear why no EM casinos offer slots from WMS or playtech, as they aren't listed as partners of EM. ( I am a bit surprised that i have only seen one of the EM casinos offering Novomatic slots though as they are available through EM) hint hint :D
     
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  6. Apr 2, 2014
  7. Blathaon

    Blathaon Meister Member

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    All browser casinos have MG/Quickfire issues(why MG cannot fix this is beyond me).

    But only EM casinos have a slight but extremely annoying lag on ALL the slots whether it be NetEnt, MG or Novomatic or whatever, it's extremely annoying as there is quite a lot of EM casinos and it's the one and only major flaw with the EM casinos.

    YES the marvel slots are unplayable, the only place they didn't lag was at SportsInteraction:confused:, everywhere else they lag. All other playtech slots run smooth so it's clear that it's the jackpot feature that is messed up.
     
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  8. Apr 2, 2014
  9. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    And they ONLY offer Novomatic slots I think.

    I heard from talking to other operators that Novomatic slots are expensive to licence so maybe that's the reason. I'm pretty sure EM is just a distribution platform and individual licensing deals have to be done for each operator's slots, although it wouldn't surprise me if EM had some preferential rates available on some judging from how many crop up on every EM platform.
     
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  10. Apr 2, 2014
  11. Blathaon

    Blathaon Meister Member

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    True the one casino only offers Novomatic slots, don't know if Novomatic have a Non-compete clause like MG viper download and Playtech download have. The one casino that offer Novo slots through EM have laggy slots as well :p
     
  12. Apr 2, 2014
  13. Blathaon

    Blathaon Meister Member

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    Well if you look at their site it seems like the casinos can choose from all available games, it doesn't specify whether you can mix or match games from all the providers though.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  14. Apr 2, 2014
  15. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Not only more laggy but Quickfire slots on EM are clunky and aesthetically inferior as well.
     
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  16. Apr 2, 2014
  17. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    So it's basically a convenient, easy service for white labels. That's too bad that it sucks.
     
  18. Apr 2, 2014
  19. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

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    I think the decision ultimately comes down to commercials. Signing a deal for a platform is very different to that of content and the cost goes up quite alot - you have to consider the amount of traffic going through a system as a whole as opposed to the small amount of data passed over when you simply play a game. You have data protection to consider, compliance and security, hosting, bandwidth etc.

    Running a platform is a huge cost - running a game not so much. EM are tackling a market previously dominated by Finsoft by offering to integrate with multiple content providers on a single platform & backend system.
     
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  20. Apr 2, 2014
  21. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    I am sure EM are aware of the issues with their platform. I would think they would be putting a large amount of resources into fixing these issues. The laggy slots ruin gameplay for players and if that continues then players will be jumping ship and going with platforms that don't have these lags.
     
  22. Apr 2, 2014
  23. Finn

    Finn Senior Member MM

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    My guess is that starting a white label casino requires a lot smaller initial capital investment both on software and hardware side.

    If there are other Netent+Microgaming (+ other 4 other software providers at least) white label options available, I don't know.
     
  24. Apr 2, 2014
  25. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    The problem is with EM software not the casinos. I'll give an example yesterday I played at Supperlaggy AKA Superlenny casino. It uses EM platform and because of the horrible way the games were playing (erroring out, serious lag etc.) I will not return to play there. As a player I pay money to be entertained and not to be tortured. The platform Every Matrix needs to fix this issue with the software, I am sure it can be done if they invested time and money. As a player I could not give a toss whether this is a cheaper option for the casino or not, I just want to play games.
     
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  26. Apr 2, 2014
  27. miso

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    To answer the initial question, I think because it is cheaper and easier.

    But the lag is a major issue, and they need to get it sorted. Which definitely is possible,
    Next and Luck are EM, and run well. But some of those casinos are just unplayable.

    First time I tried Jetbull (which now runs a lot better), I was lost. Tried all available
    browsers, went to live chat a couple times :rolleyes:
     
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  28. Apr 2, 2014
  29. Finn

    Finn Senior Member MM

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    Yeah, I know the problem is EM side, it also might be EM hardware in addition to software, once when one EM casino was down, casino rep here said that he is going to contact EM since that crash or server being down was on EM side, so the EM white label casinos use also some of EM hardware, though they have also their own hardware, as for what runs on EM hardware and what on casinos own hardware, I'm not sure.

    Anyway EveryMatrix might only or one of the few NetEnt + MGS options available, maybe they are the least sucky NetEnt + MGS white label, and the casinos go white label to save in software costs in this way for example:


    Here is NetEnt pricing structure, from some pdf from 2007, but I guess the structure is similar still and other software providers probably have similar pricing


    So when a new casino starts as white label, they don't have to pay start-up and delivery fees, since EM has already paid them ages ago, and if the sales are poor for initial months, they might also save in royalties, since they have to pay only the actual royalties to EM, no the minimum royalty level since collectively EM casinos must be well above that.
     
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  30. Apr 2, 2014
  31. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    I coincedentally had something to say regarding this topic yesterday, i could qoute myself but that seems silly so here's the post for those who'd like to read it:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...casino-luck-going-give-try-10.html#post613767

    I really think it's a bit nonsense to call them inferior or less aesthetic, since in my opinion this is definitely not the case.
    I think this platform does need a bit of finetuning, due to exponential growth, and i am pretty sure they will do it, hopefully soon.

    Don't lose hope Blathaon! we need your faith, as your karma (read luck) might be needed!
    Joking aside though, i really have had 9 out of 10 sessions problemless, i still think it's a really difficult problem to pinpoint, and that ios probably why it is still going on/returning.

    One thing i for one really would appreciate, is a getting a rep here for Everymatrix solutions, maybe elaborating on the subject.:thumbsup:
     
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  32. Apr 2, 2014
  33. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    When will these multi- games providers ever sort out the terrible slow-spin-means-a-win on the MG slots on Quickfire????
     
  34. Apr 2, 2014
  35. Blathaon

    Blathaon Meister Member

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    I went and looked at some casinos to see if there is any noticeable difference.

    These look pretty much identical to me, i looked at some more casinos but they all looked like this.
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    Now MG, here there is definitely some difference. But it's not consistent whether it is a EM casino or another casino that look the best. So i don't think this have anything to do with EM but rather how the games are implemented into the site itself.

    [​IMG][​IMG]


    Well it's been a whole year and although the problems isn't quite as bad as a year ago they are still far from perfect, so if they couldn't fix it in a year then i am sorry but i just don't see this being fixed anytime soon(i would gladly be proven wrong).

    I agree it would be nice to have some official input on this, i have heard from casino managers though and i feel for them as this is even more of an issue for them, players can leave and play at a different casino. But the casinos are stuck with EM and the lag and have to continually apologize for things that they have no direct influence over and it must be costing them a lot of money.

    Personally i still do play at some EM casinos, but only with a bonus as a straight deposit just doesn't seem worth it when there are lag free options available elsewhere.
     
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  36. Apr 2, 2014
  37. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    True, but a year ago there weren't as many EM Casinos as now, they have expanded tremendously, and i am saying since there are improvements, despite the growth, so i have good hopes ..:)

    Maybe one of our cool EM-Casino-Platform Reps can nudge one of their contacts over there to come over here?
    (wink wink, nudge nudge :D)
     
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  38. Apr 2, 2014
  39. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

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    Try a few spins and look at the spinning animation. Then go to a non EM casino using Quickfire and compare. If I had a video capture software I'd do it on video.
     

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