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Question Why Are Free Spin Offers So Bad ??

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by brianmon, Jul 29, 2015.

    Jul 29, 2015
  1. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    I'm not talking about the sites which give wager-free spins, or the freespins which are just given as free.

    I'm talking about the 'get x spins when you deposit £x'

    The best you usually get are freespins to the value of 10-20% of the deposit needed and then any winnings have to be wagered x number of times.

    Considering these casinos will quite happily give out 50% or 100% bonuses. Why don't they offer a similar value with their free spins offers

    Eg.
    Deposit £50, get 250 freespins (based on spins of 20p = £50 value or 100%)
    Deposit £50, get 125 freespins (based on spins of 20p = £25 value or 50%)

    What kind of incentive to deposit is Deposit £50, get 50 freespins (based on spins of 20p = £10 value or 20%)

    In fact I had the worst offer ever, the other day, from a site who shall remain nameless

    Deposit £10 and get 5 free spins !!!!!
     
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  2. Jul 29, 2015
  3. fun4all

    fun4all Senior Member

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    I don't even play stuff like 5 free spins worth 9p each even when I get given it on a deposit. Just a joke really.
     
  4. Jul 29, 2015
  5. Casino2014man

    Casino2014man Non-Gambler

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    I wish they would tier it based on your usual spend per spin...

    I hate when I deposit say £100 and lose, and am rewarded with 10 x 10p spins on starburst...

    It is almost insulting.. I know the casinos don't have to give us it etc etc but this always puts me off as an offer.
     
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  6. Jul 29, 2015
  7. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    It's just an illusory trick employed by casinos. 50 spins sounds like a lot, and 100 seems like a grand gesture. But like stated, they amount to very little in terms of monetary value when compared to the value of the deposit.

    Fact is that the large number of spins looks visually appealing, like you're getting a lot of chances to get a decent amount. Nine times out of ten you will not, you might scrape the equivalent of a 40 or 50% bonus if lucky.

    Gamblers act on impulse, hence x amount of 'free' spins appear great. It's only afterwards one realizes it would have been better not to have taken them at all, given the ludicrous and unwanted wagering reqs that come with it!
     
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  8. Jul 29, 2015
  9. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    In total agreement, especially as 9/10 the FS return very little and you've then locked you cash balance into wagering over peanuts.

    Deposit £20 get 50 x 20p spins (50% of deposit value) are rare but do exist,

    All British Casino tend to offer this on a weekend (Although the game is usually crap, (Spinata Grande, Gonzo's etc))

    Casumo also offer deposit 30 euro (approx £21) for 50 FS on Mega Fortune or JATB (Usually Monday's (although that offer is available today for the beautiful Starburst))

    Having spoken to reps in the past these FS apparently do cost the casinos money in the long run which I do believe, However I must be the unluckiest FS recipient around as in 12 years of play, I think I have withdrawn from FS returns about 4 or 5 times!

    With the ever growing list of new casinos and competition 'out there' I think it won't be long before casino management will seriously have to start rethinking these piss poor offers, recognise player loyalty more often and improve these offers. This can be done easily at the same time as 'weeding out' the free loaders.
     
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  10. Jul 29, 2015
  11. Casino2014man

    Casino2014man Non-Gambler

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    Agreed..

    In vegas for example, I think they give cashback with 1x wagering once a week to keep you going, this would work better for me that free spins, only problem is the sites that do this (betvictor) for example, tend to give about £1 per £100 spent.. So if you are not a high roller there really isn't any point..
     
  12. Jul 29, 2015
  13. cncas2123

    cncas2123 Senior Member MM

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    Agree with this and also with Goatwack, i deposited in Casumo today to get the 100 free spins, but in the cold light of day its really a 20% bonus you are getting,but you arent able to decide how you spend the bonus. Its all to make it look like you are getting something for nothing,but no such thing as a free lunch in this life!!!
     
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  14. Jul 29, 2015
  15. Wild Reels

    Wild Reels Meister Member webmeister

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    Why would you lock your cash balance into wagering? from free spins, surely you would play the free spins after your main balance has gone to avoid that, then its effectively just the wagering on free spins you have to worry about.

    If it equates to a 20% bonus then its a 20% bonus that dosen't require you to lock your cash balance into wagering.

    im just playing devils advocate, as a player i'm rarely interested in the free spins offers, but if i do have them i will always play them after ive cashed out or bust out :)
     
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  16. Jul 29, 2015
  17. dada55

    dada55 Full Member PABnonaccred

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    A lot of casinos remove the free spins if you withdraw before using them. So unless you lose your deposit then the free spins will lock you into WR.
     
  18. Jul 29, 2015
  19. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

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    I doubt any reputable casinos do that.

    Care to name and shame?
     
  20. Jul 29, 2015
  21. dada55

    dada55 Full Member PABnonaccred

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    To be fair, I don't play enough to have made that bold statement (sorry) and when I do I tend to play on bookmaker's casino section so the likes of William hill, winner,betfred. Free spins promos from them where if you withdraw/transfer any deposits even after playing through then you will lose the free spins.

    I just assumed this was the case with most casinos too unless the free spins are free from WR (superlenny!).
     
  22. Jul 29, 2015
  23. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    I'm not sure about 'bought' freespins. But Casino Saga remove any freespins or bonus money, you might have won from their tedious battle game, If you make any withdrawal
     
  24. Jul 29, 2015
  25. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    I have not looked at no reply, Rusing about as usual,

    But yes free spins are NOT FREE, Today offer from thrills that are actually free, Yes it works out a small % of depo but if going to depo any way than all good, Also gives players some extra moves, It anoys me me you get email stating FREE SPINS, but untill you open you have to depo, (One is slotmagic) The worst site for it and that is even after laddys,

    Verry rarly now days you actualy get an email which free are free, If so its like 5 spins 10 max if on shit burst,

    I took todays offer from thrills, 25 dep get spins o twinspins, I endded up taking a withdraw out :) I really do not mind these offers as it gives you something back and NO WAGER on spins, I do not understand these silly offers some times, It states in terms we only send you promotion emails, Well what sort of promo is deposit x amount and get spins, Its just a ploy to log in and fill your inbox up
     
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  26. Jul 29, 2015
  27. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Agreed - More so a paranoia thing and reading too many 'voided winnings' threads on CM :p

    Sometimes I will play cash only and use FS as a fall back option, however on the other hand I sometimes play them first (knowing I'm locking cash balance) with the ever so optimistic view that I can hit something half decent then resume my 'normal play' but playing slightly higher bet sizes instead of spending my life on Minimum bet :(
     
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  28. Jul 29, 2015
  29. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    The point I was making was, why so few spins. why normally a maximum of 20%?

    you can look at it as a backup, a kind of cashback.
    But when sites can offer 50% or even 100% cash back, why so few freespins? why not the same value as the bonuses/cashback.

    i'm not, so much, saying they should give the same value. I'm asking if anyone knows why they don't?
     
  30. Jul 29, 2015
  31. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    I, too, dream of raising my bets to 30p a spin, and if I'm feeling really brave, 40p lol

    This would be the only reason to use these spins if on a tiny bankroll, to have a fighting chance. Better to have £30 to use instead of £20 when lowrolling.

    No point in redeeming the free spins after busting out, what am I going to do with a £5 or £10 starting balance?
     
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  32. Jul 29, 2015
  33. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    At a guess because of chance. With cashback there is a set formula and structure in place so the figures make sense to a business. With free spins there is a chance, albeit small that the player may far exceed what any cashback system would return.

    So in a nutshell, casinos try not to leave things to chance as this would be a bad business model. This is probably why wager-free spins normally come in blocks of 5 or 10 usually, this is as far as they are prepared to go in terms of a free lunch.

    Although I do agree that getting £20 worth of free spins for my £20 deposit would be great. I would love to see such bonuses as it would be far more exciting than your usual 50%- 100% matches, which although great, can be boring.
     
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  34. Jul 29, 2015
  35. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    I'll take the dep match - least I get to choose the slot I'd spin on.
     
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  36. Jul 30, 2015
  37. syntynyt

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    some day id read on this forum some posts that preferred FS with wager instead wager free. that day i knew there is a player base for bad offers.
    since i play, any deposit + fs with wagering offer has never materialized in a withdrawal. a big hit during free spins was a grief rather than happiness, having to wager hundreds before talking about unlocking at least my deposit let alone winning and for what, a win in the range of 10-20 during FS.

    Slotsmagic and their notfree spins on flip flap takes the prize. one of the worst games ever made, in 3D(wow how exciting lmao) FS terms are a joke and in the end bounds your deposit to low bets and progress through pointless wagering. the game that makes sparks looks like a revelation.

    the second comes Betat, eternally offering pay-for-FS to bloody starburst and as of late spinata grande. or wager your wallet and back-pocket combined(2000eur) and get 100 fs, probably with wagering. i was looking for reasons to dep there again but didn't found yet.

    i don't know from Thrills, Leovegas and some discussed here because they have a limited amount of countries that benefit from free spins etc, but from all i played Guts are unrivaled in FS category, since they opened.the very best christmas calendars 2 years in a row, lots of random FS during 2014, lots of Free Spin Fairies during 2015, unmatched weekly promos and their generous birthday, they are unstoppable in awarding its players! im sure there are casinos that sit on bigger funds and don't give half of what Guts give. no vip tiers crap, points, eye candy saga/adventure progresses, rewards are straight and in cash, no max cashout or that game count only X% to diminish potential huge hits. after EM behaved like a tumor destabilizing what once worked flawless in all areas they are back on track, extirpating it. if i would stop forgetting that beating hurts, and not feeding local casinos/cafebars with RTP down to hell i should play all the money allocated to gambling on this casino. i didnt won much here, im not close to win at least my deposits, but generosity and promos they give make me feel great to be contemporaneous with Guts. /ending worship
     
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  38. Jul 30, 2015
  39. hoff1985

    hoff1985 Meister Member mm1

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    To be honest... My only answer is, because they want to fool us.

    I always have to laugh when i receive e-mails (from good casinos by the way) saying stuff like:

    Deposit 20 to get 20 freespins, but deposit 100 to get 100 free spins on starburst.... But what you should never forget 99 out of 100 times they give you the cheapest possible package... So you will have 100 spins at 10 cent = 10$ bonus..... So this is a 10% match bonus forced to play on one specific game.

    I would totally support free spin offers if they made sense... I rather have 20 free spins with a reasonable value than 100 shit spins...

    But yeah, then are those times when you get 1 free spin that gives you 30cents and from there you cash out a few hundred later... Happened to me once!
     

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