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Which has a better chance to cashout? Taking Bonuses or Without Bonuses? (RTG / MG)

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by shahran84, Jan 5, 2012.

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    Jan 5, 2012
  1. shahran84

    shahran84 Non-Gambler

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    Hi guys, when I joined the RTG slots, my big win of more than $10K comes when i was depositing WITH bonuses.
    Even when I play MG slots, with bonuses, I played Immortal Romance, I won.

    Recently, I tried to play without bonuses in MG or RTG, deposit of $100. I don't win anything, very very bad. End up zero bankroll.

    Does taking bonuses increases the RTP ? Any advice guys?
     
  2. Jan 5, 2012
  3. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

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    IMO, the only thing a bonus provides is longer play time. You're bound to a WR and most times a max cashout. Most of the members who play bonuses are disciplined on how to go about working through the playthrough and making the most to get to their desired cashout amount, and above all else HITTING THE CASHOUT BUTTON when they reach their goal.

    But don't take my word for it, since I quit gaming online over a year ago. I'm sure more proficient and more "bonus" user experienced members can/will give you better advice than I can :thumbsup:
     
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  4. Jan 5, 2012
  5. samoas

    samoas Senior Member

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    Well said ksech.:)

    I do play with bonuses when offered. When I do, I have a personal strategy.

    e.g- Deposit $100 with 100% match bonus giving me $200 to initiate play. I play in $10 increments at $2 a spin. If I get lucky and get over my $200 balance at any point, I increase the spins to $5 or $6.25, depending on the game at $25 increments, until my balance goes back to the original $200 or I get lucky and continue to play until I reach the play-through requirement.

    If I am fortunate enough to win, I am disciplined and will definitely cash out!:thumbsup:
     
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  6. Jan 5, 2012
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Unless you're playing some "well dodgy" software, it does not effect RTP at all.

    Depending on the type of bonus (WR and cashable or not), they CAN mathematically increase your chances of overall profits.
    Generally I would say MG casinos offer much more generous bonuses than RTG.

    KK
     
  8. Jan 5, 2012
  9. Slotster!

    Slotster! I predict a riot. CAG

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    I don't know if I'm the exception to the norm, but I honestly never even think about wagering requirements or cashout limits or blah blah blah. It never enters my head. Regardless of if I'm playing with a bonus or otherwise, I just play until I get bored and cashout or when my balance reaches zero. Or sometimes with a big win cashout some and carry on with what is left. Or on the odd occasion just leave the money there and come back another day. I don't ever think "Oh, I've got to play x slot x number of times at x denomination to get to y."

    I've never ever, not once ever had a cashout refused for any reason, wagering requirements or otherwise.

    Now I'm sure some of that is due to the fact I only EVER play at very well established and accredited sites, most of which I've been a member at for a good number of years - but surely it's not just me?
     
  10. Jan 5, 2012
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    No - definitely not just you.
    I usually DO take bonuses - but I also have NEVER had a cash-out refused - even at non-accredited casinos.

    IMO the vast majority of problems come from players breaking one of the T&Cs, either by accident, or on purpose.

    KK
     
  12. Jan 6, 2012
  13. MaryJean

    MaryJean Senior Member MM

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    CashOut Deleted Once

    I once left a penny in my account after playing with a bonus. Rival added a rule somewhere along the line that I didn't see--they wanted only Zero balance from a bonus play. Later I deposited and played video poker and won a Royal Flush for $1000.00. I cashed out---but checked back when I didn't receive notice of my withdrawal. They refused my cashout due to "ONE PENNY" ! They even deleted any reference to my play and attempted withdrawal from their records.

    Technically---My Oops! What could I say!
    (Easy Come---Too Easy Go!)

    But then again---that was Rival!

    MaryJean
     
  14. Jan 6, 2012
  15. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I've never had a cashout refused either.
    I've had to PAB once, but that was because they ran outta money, and just stopped responding to anyone.
    Got paid after a while tho.
    Now very strictly stay with the ones I know well, and that I know would never cause a headache.

    Edit....Just read the post above this, and isn't that funny ?....my PAB was a Rival as well.
     
  16. Jan 6, 2012
  17. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    For RTG, if you wish to cashout it would be folly to take a bonus especially if its anything less than 50% and non-cashable. The variance kills you even if you get a monster win early. One must remember that the wrs are tied to both the bonus and deposit and even upon completion of wrs your balance will be whittled down to only a fraction of your original after a huge win. MG is different and actually though seemingly unappealing, the 20% -30% bonuses are actually quite good. Think of it, if you deposit without a bonus you normally wager thru your deposit 4 -6 times anyway. Now they are giving you an extra 20% for nothing. If you deposit $100 you would expect to wager $400 - $600 anyway but in giving you $$20 extra your WR is still $600. Get the drift?
     
  18. Jan 6, 2012
  19. Realitybitez

    Realitybitez Experienced Member

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    I 'never' ever used to take bonuses

    I couldnt work out how people could actually win on them:eek2: The wagering requirements seemed so high. Then one day, seriously low on funds, I took up an offer of a bonus or two just to give myself more play time and cracked it!:D When I discovered it was indeed possible, I couldnt seem to get enough of them:p

    However in the last 2 weeks I've been on a loosing streak so may go back to playing safe and flagging bonuses :cool: The problem with bonuses is they double your bank roll, you think you have heaps and play really stupid. Well I did.. :oops: When Im playing with just my limited bank roll (no bonus) Im seriously careful and it lasts alot longer. Of course I dont actually win anything but hey! One day ;)

    :D
     
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  20. Jan 6, 2012
  21. charpet55

    charpet55 Full Member PABnononaccred

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    RTG Casinos for me

    Always had a liking for MG casinos ,until they upgraded there software.
    I always take a bonus and have found RTG casinos the best with a near 50% cash-out rate.
    When I started gambling online, I did not win for a long time ,until I tried RTG casinos.
     
  22. Jan 6, 2012
  23. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Since your an Aussie I would also recommend some NetEnt action if your sick of MG. I get some good playtime their and most bonuses are cashable.. why does NetEnt get no love around here :p NordicBet would be my choice but there are plenty to chose from.

    For me.. it does not seem to matter, bonus or no bonus. Although when I was playing at Jackpot Capital.. (RTG) the only times I cashed out was after using a bonus (theirs are fully cashable).

    As for mg.. cashed out plenty with or without bonuses.
     
  24. Jan 6, 2012
  25. klara1968

    klara1968 Dormant account

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    AND...THE WINNER IS...

    And after hours and days looking with desire to get the WR...you cash out(and deposit double of it the next day).

    The only thing that matters,at bottom line, is the level of your entertainment,imho.
     
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  26. Jan 6, 2012
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Very true! :thumbsup:

    KK
     
  28. Jan 6, 2012
  29. bet4fun

    bet4fun Dormant account webmeister

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    I agree with the above, if you search on the net most of the casino bashing is done because when people signed up they did not provide proper credentials or tried to cheat the system. I have always been paid out on time and have yet to have a casino refuse my earnings when i have won. As far as bonuses go I usually take a bonus when its attractive but most times play with cash that way i do not have to keep track of how many times I played through etc.
     
  30. Jan 6, 2012
  31. Surasanji

    Surasanji Experienced Member

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    Its good to be king!

    Its good to be King! ;)

    KK is right, really. Statistically speaking if you'd like to win on a slot, stay with the same slot, bet the same amount and try your best to just keep it even and well paced. There is no betting system in random chance. Its all just hope.

    Still- the more betting power you have, the more 'cushion' you have to hit bonus rounds, jackpots, freespins and what-have you. That's the 'reason' casino's give for the playthrough. 'We gave you extra money to potentially win our games, now we'd like you to potentially risk it before we allow you to just walk out with it.'

    Best way to CASH OUT is to play without a bonus though. Save up your deposits a few weeks, make a much /larger/ deposit and try your luck!

    And Best of luck :thumbsup:

    -Surasanji
     
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  32. Jan 8, 2012
  33. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    I like my bonuses :) You might have a wagering requirement, you might have a long slog ahead of you but its fun trying to reach the goal and always gives you a set target to aim for and on the days the slots play cool, it extends your playtime too :)
     
  34. Jan 8, 2012
  35. samoas

    samoas Senior Member

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    Great simple explanation Suarasnj. :thumbsup:
     
  36. Jan 8, 2012
  37. Dipity

    Dipity Dormant account

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    I always used to take bonuses - especially at Rivals when places like betcave and gofish had lovely low WR, but unfortunately most had max cashouts attached. I rarely played at RTG's without taking bonuses too, as long as the match was 100%+. Rushmore used to offer 300% sometimes, which I took, but I dislike 30x WR or more.

    I haven't touched an RTG casino for a while now, mainly playing at NetEnt, 3dice and MG these days, and I never take a bonus (except the freechips). I might look into taking some again, but the thing that always puts me off is having a WR attached to anything I win. If I hit big early, I like the chance to cashout some early and carry on playing, instead of having a long slog ahead and more chance to lose it all!

    It's all down to personal opinion and how you want to enjoy your sessions.
     
  38. Jan 8, 2012
  39. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    That's my philosophy too; Trying to reach the WR is a challenge and as satisfying in itself as hitting a big win. :thumbsup:

    The other good thing about bonuses is they give you a definitive cashing-out point (when you finished the WR).
    I find when I play without bonuses and get ahead I am always tempted to try to win more (usually with the opposite result) basically because I just don't know when to seek the "withdraw" button... :oops:

    KK
     

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