Where have all the Fruit machines gone? (Microgaming AWP)

[vinylweatherman]

In the space of less than 7 days, all but one have gone from every casino, flash, viper, or quickfire, multi provider platform, free play site, etc.

Here is a striking illustration of what has been an unannounced, unexplained, and undocumented move. It's also an unprecedented purge from a supplier that "never retires a game".

According to the Quickfire sales literature, they are still offering 19 of these games on the platform, well not any longer - someone had better rewrite their sales literature and let licensees know that they have had 19 games pulled almost overnight (the second batch actually went over lunch today, played this morning, gone by 3pm).

 

[The Viking]

Looks like you finally did it VW, you have cleaned them up they are empty

 

[paul7388]

have you tried contacting support to ask....... anyway here was 32reds live supports reply Me: I was wondering why all the awp slots are nolonger available
Me: the slots like track and field mouse
Me: are they permenantly gone or will they be back
Michelle: There has been some changes made, sorry for the inconvenience
Me: does that mean they are gone for good
Michelle: No not permanent
Me: so they will be back soon then
Michelle: I have not got an exact time frame unfortunately
Me: okay thanks for your help

 

[KasinoKing]

In the space of less than 7 days, all but one have gone from every casino, flash, viper, or quickfire, multi provider platform, free play site, etc.

They've probably only removed them from YOUR casino accounts because you know how to beat them.
They're still available for everyone else...

KK

 

[vinylweatherman]

have you tried contacting support to ask....... anyway here was 32reds live supports reply Me: I was wondering why all the awp slots are nolonger available
Me: the slots like track and field mouse
Me: are they permenantly gone or will they be back
Michelle: There has been some changes made, sorry for the inconvenience
Me: does that mean they are gone for good
Michelle: No not permanent
Me: so they will be back soon then
Michelle: I have not got an exact time frame unfortunately
Me: okay thanks for your help

The same vague response I got when about a dozen vanished some years ago. Fact is, two NEVER came back, the rest trickled back over several months. This was only a pull from the Viper versions, they were all still available on Flash.

Me: the slots like track and field mouse
Me: are they permenantly gone or will they be back
Michelle: There has been some changes made, sorry for the inconvenience - They are in the workshop getting chipped to stop Vinyl emptying them all the time
Me: does that mean they are gone for good
Michelle: No not permanent - We have no idea, MGS didn't tell us a thing at first.
Me: so they will be back soon then
Michelle: I have not got an exact time frame unfortunately - We are hoping Vinyl will get bored and give up, then we can sneak them back again
Me: okay thanks for your help

I have contacted two other groups where I am VIP, still waiting for a reply.

 

[vinylweatherman]

They've probably only removed them from YOUR casino accounts because you know how to beat them.
They're still available for everyone else...

KK

I checked that, they don't work on various free to play sites, so no account details get checked.

Even where the games are still shown, selecting them gets "Game not available, try later" errors.

It's a pretty major change, yet casinos have not thought to inform players when they promoted the game changes for May.

When LOTR was removed, casinos were sending emails well in advance urging players to have a last go before it was gone, and that it was only going to make space for The Dark Knight.

 

[Nifty29]

I checked that, they don't work on various free to play sites, so no account details get checked.

Even where the games are still shown, selecting them gets "Game not available, try later" errors.

It's a pretty major change, yet casinos have not thought to inform players when they promoted the game changes for May.

When LOTR was removed, casinos were sending emails well in advance urging players to have a last go before it was gone, and that it was only going to make space for The Dark Knight.

ROFLMAO.

You actually CHECKED that????

Thankyou so much for the best laugh I've had all week.

I can't believe you actually thought they may have removed them all for just you. It's absolute gold.

KK....great comment BTW.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

watch from 0:08-0:18

 

[vinylweatherman]

ROFLMAO.

You actually CHECKED that????

Thankyou so much for the best laugh I've had all week.

I can't believe you actually thought they may have removed them all for just you. It's absolute gold.

KK....great comment BTW.

Yes, I have checked, all gone across the board.

If they were all "just for me", they would have removed them long ago, not released more of the things.

It seems a few other players have noticed, and have been asking questions.

This is more likely to be discussed at the UK facing forums, many of which started as land based fruit machine forums, but added online "Fruities" as many old land players were migrating to the online offerings as the land based scene slowly died.

 

[Nifty29]

Yes, I have checked, all gone across the board.

If they were all "just for me", they would have removed them long ago, not released more of the things.

It seems a few other players have noticed, and have been asking questions.

This is more likely to be discussed at the UK facing forums, many of which started as land based fruit machine forums, but added online "Fruities" as many old land players were migrating to the online offerings as the land based scene slowly died.

The fact that you haven't been banned from playing them shows that they're more than happy to take your action, which means they're not constantly losing money to you......which means you have no control over the payouts, because if you did you would constantly beat them, which you don't.

 

[dunover]

Oh dear, somebody's broken his favourite toy....

Your despondency over this matter shows that they must be all you play, you seem totally bereft VWM.

It's got nothing to do with you personally so don't read too much into it.

The only words I can say in agreement are that yes, maybe they should provide some sort of apology or explanation for it as I'm sure you aren't the only one who likes a dabble on them and it is a substantial part of the MG portfolio.

All I can suggest is that you get an AWP classics emulator CD rom off of eBay so you can satiate yourself with the old Pub/Club AWP's in fun mode.

 

[dunover]

Update! Found them!

TOO LATE THOUGH!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Oh dear, somebody's broken his favourite toy....

Your despondency over this matter shows that they must be all you play, you seem totally bereft VWM.

It's got nothing to do with you personally so don't read too much into it.

The only words I can say in agreement are that yes, maybe they should provide some sort of apology or explanation for it as I'm sure you aren't the only one who likes a dabble on them and it is a substantial part of the MG portfolio.
All I can suggest is that you get an AWP classics emulator CD rom off of eBay so you can satiate yourself with the old Pub/Club AWP's in fun mode.

Was

Got one

I have found that whilst MGS seem to have pulled this type of game, there are other creators now providing them to other online casinos. I have also noticed that Scientific Games have bought up Barcrest, which itself bought up a load of the regular land fruit machine manufactures. It is starting to look like an ending of an agreement with a third party provider, so maybe these games will be reskinned and licensed out elsewhere. It's the online arms of the big UK facing brands that are using pub fruity style games as a significant part of their marketing effort. Unfortunately, they are the more recent, feature poor, £500 jackpot machines like Rainbow Riches, rather than the genuine article.

They ARE pretty much all I play, so to have them ALL go is a disaster.

Again, banning me wouldn't help, they have been around long enough to build up a mostly UK fan base. It also seems that my exploits have become more widely known than I had thought

xhttp://www.jackpottyforums.co.uk/index.php?topic=13183.0

 

[Nifty29]

A quick peruse of that link (which you should know by now not to post live btw) shows that most people have enough brains to realise you don't hit those kinds of wins playing $1 spins, and that the losses match the wins like any other slot.

Operators would NEVER allow games to run for more than a decade if they were costing the house money. If VWM can "empty" them with some "secret" method, then thousands of other players could and would too and they would have been removed years and years ago.

The simple fact is that the only "method" employed by VWM is betting large amounts until it pays. Anyone can do it. All you need is patience and a large bankroll. Nothing he or anyone else does has any effect whatsoever on the TRTP of the game.

It would be interesting to do a freeplay "tourney" where everyone agreed to start with x amount and just spin and spin until they hit the top jackpot, and see who gets it first, or who ends up in front or something like that. Trouble is, it would rely on 100% honesty and some people might have too much face to lose in the process if some complete AWP newb wins (which is almost certain to happen).

 

[dunover]

A quick peruse of that link (which you should know by now not to post live btw) shows that most people have enough brains to realise you don't hit those kinds of wins playing $1 spins, and that the losses match the wins like any other slot.

Operators would NEVER allow games to run for more than a decade if they were costing the house money. If VWM can "empty" them with some "secret" method, then thousands of other players could and would too and they would have been removed years and years ago.

The simple fact is that the only "method" employed by VWM is betting large amounts until it pays. Anyone can do it. All you need is patience and a large bankroll. Nothing he or anyone else does has any effect whatsoever on the TRTP of the game.

It would be interesting to do a freeplay "tourney" where everyone agreed to start with x amount and just spin and spin until they hit the top jackpot, and see who gets it first, or who ends up in front or something like that. Trouble is, it would rely on 100% honesty and some people might have too much face to lose in the process if some complete AWP newb wins (which is almost certain to happen).

Well this is the moot point. It is proven beyond doubt you can 'force' land-based AWP's in the UK to make consistent profits, but you need to know (because they are compensated) the state of play beforehand, i.e. the amount that has been lost therefore indicating if the 'streak' is imminent or not. Some players don't need to know that, they can tell by the 'signs' the AWP gives after a few spins or one or two feature boards. I've no doubt VWM is ultra-familiar with the online AWP's, but the fact is I've dabbled with them for hours in free play plus had a few paid sessions. One thing I do know is that they are account-specific, i.e. not pooled like RNG games so nobody else could have primed them for you.

They all follow the same pattern which is that due to compensation you will have paid for the big streak you have 'forced'....
The $64,000 question is: "can I force a streak by priming them in a certain way which will pay out an amount exceeding my total losses at that game at that casino?" This question I would propose that Vinyl says 'yes' to.

I suspect 'no'. If 'yes' the buggers would've been pulled ages ago as a pattern would have been set by VWM and others of large consistent profits which MG or the sites would have picked-up on.

I just can't see due to their compensated nature a player opening the game for the first time, playing 20 spins at £10 max and hitting the multi-thousand x stake streak thus walking away with a huge profit.

Whichever, the casino would still make their 4% rake. This issue has nothing to do with 'pro players' emptying them.

 

[Jory]

All I can suggest is that you get an AWP classics emulator CD rom off of eBay so you can satiate yourself with the old Pub/Club AWP's in fun mode.

Or just download them for free from xhttp://www.fruit-emu.com/

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well this is the moot point. It is proven beyond doubt you can 'force' land-based AWP's in the UK to make consistent profits, but you need to know (because they are compensated) the state of play beforehand, i.e. the amount that has been lost therefore indicating if the 'streak' is imminent or not. Some players don't need to know that, they can tell by the 'signs' the AWP gives after a few spins or one or two feature boards. I've no doubt VWM is ultra-familiar with the online AWP's, but the fact is I've dabbled with them for hours in free play plus had a few paid sessions. One thing I do know is that they are account-specific, i.e. not pooled like RNG games so nobody else could have primed them for you.

They all follow the same pattern which is that due to compensation you will have paid for the big streak you have 'forced'....
The $64,000 question is: "can I force a streak by priming them in a certain way which will pay out an amount exceeding my total losses at that game at that casino?" This question I would propose that Vinyl says 'yes' to.

I suspect 'no'. If 'yes' the buggers would've been pulled ages ago as a pattern would have been set by VWM and others of large consistent profits which MG or the sites would have picked-up on.

I just can't see due to their compensated nature a player opening the game for the first time, playing 20 spins at £10 max and hitting the multi-thousand x stake streak thus walking away with a huge profit.

Whichever, the casino would still make their 4% rake. This issue has nothing to do with 'pro players' emptying them.

This happens, and it's not uncommon. It is these "community fed streaks" that make all the difference, turning a loss making 95% game into a potential long term winner. I can spot a "community fed streak" coming before it hits, simply by the machine showing a pattern that it shouldn't be showing for an account specific force. There is also a "community drain", which can be spotted by seeing patterns that are well behind what should be seen given the amount forced into a specific incarnation in an individual account.

It could be the FEAR of pro players emptying them, rather than MGS knowing for certain that they are. Many casinos are increasingly prohibiting games when bonuses are in play that don't appear to make sense when examining the game. Some reps say this is down to "advice from our provider", so it's largely down to a fear that certain games can be beaten by pro players.

The AWP class is a bit of a problem, because they are not random, but use some kind of compensation mechanic. Microgaming have NEVER admitted this, even though anyone who has had a decent dabble can see clues to the compensated nature. Admitting that for years they have been running non random games would be a problem, so maybe they have purged their portfolio of games that use any kind of compensation. They have left Pub Fruity, which does not appear to be compensated at all (there is a simple test, play at £10 for a bit, and then play at 10p - if the machine "goes nuts" upon switching down to 10p, it's compensated).

Unfortunately, purging the lot has only raised their profile.

I now have to learn a whole new set of AWP style non MGS games from scratch, this is what is most irritating.

 

[JGslots]

Some of the AWP games have 'value from reset' for example when you join 32red there is a number of AWP's (not all) that have been installed with some value on the flash casino. There was a few AWP where you could 'buzz' them up and then extract value, but you couldn't always make a profit from this.

You could also, on the bingo bango boom and clones change the stake if you say had a guaranteed feature entry, but if there wasn't 'value' on that stake you were 'ripping' then the board wouldn't offer a win.

I will miss the AWP's too

Next they will be getting rid of Showtime Spectacular

 

[aceking123]

bump bump any news on those AWPS coming back ?

 

[JGslots]

32red Support say they are not coming back, and that they were removed as they were not popular

 

[aceking123]

32red Support say they are not coming back, and that they were removed as they were not popular

dont tell weatherman hes not going to be a happy bunny at all )

 

[Nifty29]

This happens, and it's not uncommon. It is these "community fed streaks" that make all the difference, turning a loss making 95% game into a potential long term winner. I can spot a "community fed streak" coming before it hits, simply by the machine showing a pattern that it shouldn't be showing for an account specific force. There is also a "community drain", which can be spotted by seeing patterns that are well behind what should be seen given the amount forced into a specific incarnation in an individual account.

It could be the FEAR of pro players emptying them, rather than MGS knowing for certain that they are. Many casinos are increasingly prohibiting games when bonuses are in play that don't appear to make sense when examining the game. Some reps say this is down to "advice from our provider", so it's largely down to a fear that certain games can be beaten by pro players.

The AWP class is a bit of a problem, because they are not random, but use some kind of compensation mechanic. Microgaming have NEVER admitted this, even though anyone who has had a decent dabble can see clues to the compensated nature. Admitting that for years they have been running non random games would be a problem, so maybe they have purged their portfolio of games that use any kind of compensation. They have left Pub Fruity, which does not appear to be compensated at all (there is a simple test, play at £10 for a bit, and then play at 10p - if the machine "goes nuts" upon switching down to 10p, it's compensated).

Unfortunately, purging the lot has only raised their profile.

I now have to learn a whole new set of AWP style non MGS games from scratch, this is what is most irritating.

Sorry, but that's a load of malarkey.

You can NOT "spot a community fed streak coming". To state that you can is nonsense of the highest order.

All this coming from someone who previously "predicted" one of these "megastreaks" in the forum which didn't happen. You've hit one every 7 years or so. Considering you can "see them coming" thats an extremely poor showing.

Now I know you think the removal of these games is all about you somehow, but I can assure you that if these games WERE beatable in the long term they would have pulled a decade ago. Why? Well if YOU found a way to "beat" them, then hundreds if not thousands of others (who dedicate their lives to such pursuits) would have found it too and the casinos would have been losing money hand over fist in very short order. Since this did NOT happen, it's safe to assume that there is/was NOT a long term winning strategy involving such things as "knowing" when a jackpot will hit.

I'm sure you'll attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the majority of members who don't play or understand AWPs and continue to have them believe that your big screenshots are proof that you continually "milk" them for profit, but those of us who DO know the ropes know that nobody has any actual control over the payouts....and unless you have that control, you cannot beat a 95% TRTP in the long term, compensated or otherwise.

It's interesting to note that, apart from the pure dumb luck megastreak of yours at 32Red that you love to mention ad nauseum, I have a heap of screenshots with the same high xBet wins as yourself. The only difference is that my $4000 win betting .50 doesn't look as impressive as your $40000 win betting $5.....and I have no "system" or method etc whatsoever.....it's just being in the right place at the right time, just like any other slot.

I totally defer to your superior knowledge and experience with land based UK fruities and how to use them to beat the games. However, when it comes to AWPs online there is no such advantage. If a group comprised of the two of us and ten random members who have never played AWPs started with $50k and wagered it at similar levels over a few months, it's almost certain that one of the others would come out in front and/or hit as many or more jackpots as us.....because the truth is that getting the big hits on AWPs is achieved in exactly the same way as any other game I.e. keep hitting SPIN until it hits. Anyone with deep pockets and patience can do it. It's not a skill. It's just a case of increasing your jackpot hit rate by increasing your number of spins.

 

[vinylweatherman]

32red Support say they are not coming back, and that they were removed as they were not popular

I don't really believe that.

It contradicts what I am being told by my host at Casino Rewards, who said that they were removed for maintenance, and that they can't get anything out of Microgaming as to when this would be completed. Surely, Microgaming would be giving the same response to all operators.

It is also very strange, unique even, for Microgaming to yank such a large number of games with no notice to anyone merely because they were "unpopular". There are loads of games that almost no one ever plays, yet they remain for the few that do like them.

When Microgaming had to pull LOTR, they gave about a month's notice to players, and operators urged players to have their last go on the game before it went.

Far from being unpopular, they have quite a core following. I have discovered a number of affiliate sites with detailed reviews of these games, trying to persuade players to join one of their linked casinos to try them out. These affiliates must be pretty annoyed that their sites now have pages of worthless information on them, which may also dent their reputation if players read the reviews, join a casino, and then find no such games exist. They will be thinking "bait & switch" was used on them in order to draw them in to "online fruities" from the land variety.

IF they are so unpopular, why are other vendors now rolling out similar games to other casinos, mostly the multi provider platforms.

I don't believe this is the real reason, just as Microgaming were eventually found out to be hiding the true reason for the sudden about turn that lead to the second LOTR being pulled, and the last one due out later that year to be scrapped.

 

[Nicola]

Maybe this has something to do with it... cocky b@stard on one of the other forums been bouncing around all the MG casinos since February milking them

He (or she) posted this yesterday

 

[fire]

You really should send a message to generalenquiries@microgaming.co.uk asking about the missing games.