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Where have all the Fruit machines gone? (Microgaming AWP)

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by vinylweatherman, May 9, 2014.

    May 9, 2014
  1. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    In the space of less than 7 days, all but one have gone from every casino, flash, viper, or quickfire, multi provider platform, free play site, etc.

    Here is a striking illustration of what has been an unannounced, unexplained, and undocumented move. It's also an unprecedented purge from a supplier that "never retires a game".

    According to the Quickfire sales literature, they are still offering 19 of these games on the platform, well not any longer - someone had better rewrite their sales literature and let licensees know that they have had 19 games pulled almost overnight (the second batch actually went over lunch today, played this morning, gone by 3pm).
     

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  2. May 9, 2014
  3. The Viking

    The Viking Ueber Meister MM

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    Looks like you finally did it VW, you have cleaned them up they are empty ;)
     
  4. May 9, 2014
  5. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    have you tried contacting support to ask....... anyway here was 32reds live supports reply Me: I was wondering why all the awp slots are nolonger available
    Me: the slots like track and field mouse
    Me: are they permenantly gone or will they be back
    Michelle: There has been some changes made, sorry for the inconvenience
    Me: does that mean they are gone for good
    Michelle: No not permanent
    Me: so they will be back soon then
    Michelle: I have not got an exact time frame unfortunately
    Me: okay thanks for your help
     
  6. May 10, 2014
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    They've probably only removed them from YOUR casino accounts because you know how to beat them.
    They're still available for everyone else... :p

    KK
     
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  8. May 10, 2014
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The same vague response I got when about a dozen vanished some years ago. Fact is, two NEVER came back, the rest trickled back over several months. This was only a pull from the Viper versions, they were all still available on Flash.


    I have contacted two other groups where I am VIP, still waiting for a reply.
     
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  10. May 10, 2014
  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    I checked that, they don't work on various free to play sites, so no account details get checked.

    Even where the games are still shown, selecting them gets "Game not available, try later" errors.

    It's a pretty major change, yet casinos have not thought to inform players when they promoted the game changes for May.

    When LOTR was removed, casinos were sending emails well in advance urging players to have a last go before it was gone, and that it was only going to make space for The Dark Knight.
     
  12. May 10, 2014
  13. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    ROFLMAO.

    You actually CHECKED that????

    Thankyou so much for the best laugh I've had all week.

    I can't believe you actually thought they may have removed them all for just you. It's absolute gold.

    KK....great comment BTW.
     
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  14. May 10, 2014
  15. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    :D watch from 0:08-0:18 :lolup: :p

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  17. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Yes, I have checked, all gone across the board.

    If they were all "just for me", they would have removed them long ago, not released more of the things.

    It seems a few other players have noticed, and have been asking questions.

    This is more likely to be discussed at the UK facing forums, many of which started as land based fruit machine forums, but added online "Fruities" as many old land players were migrating to the online offerings as the land based scene slowly died.
     
  18. May 10, 2014
  19. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    The fact that you haven't been banned from playing them shows that they're more than happy to take your action, which means they're not constantly losing money to you......which means you have no control over the payouts, because if you did you would constantly beat them, which you don't.
     
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  20. May 10, 2014
  21. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Oh dear, somebody's broken his favourite toy....:what:

    Your despondency over this matter shows that they must be all you play, you seem totally bereft VWM.

    It's got nothing to do with you personally so don't read too much into it.

    The only words I can say in agreement are that yes, maybe they should provide some sort of apology or explanation for it as I'm sure you aren't the only one who likes a dabble on them and it is a substantial part of the MG portfolio.

    All I can suggest is that you get an AWP classics emulator CD rom off of eBay so you can satiate yourself with the old Pub/Club AWP's in fun mode. :D
     
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  22. May 10, 2014
  23. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Update! Found them!

    TOO LATE THOUGH!


    Where have all the Fruit machines gone?  (Microgaming AWP): burning-fruit-machines_001.jpg,May 10, 2014
     
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  24. May 10, 2014
  25. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Was:p

    Got one;)

    I have found that whilst MGS seem to have pulled this type of game, there are other creators now providing them to other online casinos. I have also noticed that Scientific Games have bought up Barcrest, which itself bought up a load of the regular land fruit machine manufactures. It is starting to look like an ending of an agreement with a third party provider, so maybe these games will be reskinned and licensed out elsewhere. It's the online arms of the big UK facing brands that are using pub fruity style games as a significant part of their marketing effort. Unfortunately, they are the more recent, feature poor, £500 jackpot machines like Rainbow Riches, rather than the genuine article.

    They ARE pretty much all I play, so to have them ALL go is a disaster.

    Again, banning me wouldn't help, they have been around long enough to build up a mostly UK fan base. It also seems that my exploits have become more widely known than I had thought:)

    xhttp://www.jackpottyforums.co.uk/index.php?topic=13183.0
     
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  27. Nifty29

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    A quick peruse of that link (which you should know by now not to post live btw) shows that most people have enough brains to realise you don't hit those kinds of wins playing $1 spins, and that the losses match the wins like any other slot.

    Operators would NEVER allow games to run for more than a decade if they were costing the house money. If VWM can "empty" them with some "secret" method, then thousands of other players could and would too and they would have been removed years and years ago.

    The simple fact is that the only "method" employed by VWM is betting large amounts until it pays. Anyone can do it. All you need is patience and a large bankroll. Nothing he or anyone else does has any effect whatsoever on the TRTP of the game.

    It would be interesting to do a freeplay "tourney" where everyone agreed to start with x amount and just spin and spin until they hit the top jackpot, and see who gets it first, or who ends up in front or something like that. Trouble is, it would rely on 100% honesty and some people might have too much face to lose in the process if some complete AWP newb wins (which is almost certain to happen).
     
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  29. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Well this is the moot point. It is proven beyond doubt you can 'force' land-based AWP's in the UK to make consistent profits, but you need to know (because they are compensated) the state of play beforehand, i.e. the amount that has been lost therefore indicating if the 'streak' is imminent or not. Some players don't need to know that, they can tell by the 'signs' the AWP gives after a few spins or one or two feature boards. I've no doubt VWM is ultra-familiar with the online AWP's, but the fact is I've dabbled with them for hours in free play plus had a few paid sessions. One thing I do know is that they are account-specific, i.e. not pooled like RNG games so nobody else could have primed them for you.

    They all follow the same pattern which is that due to compensation you will have paid for the big streak you have 'forced'....
    The $64,000 question is: "can I force a streak by priming them in a certain way which will pay out an amount exceeding my total losses at that game at that casino?" This question I would propose that Vinyl says 'yes' to.

    I suspect 'no'. If 'yes' the buggers would've been pulled ages ago as a pattern would have been set by VWM and others of large consistent profits which MG or the sites would have picked-up on.

    I just can't see due to their compensated nature a player opening the game for the first time, playing 20 spins at £10 max and hitting the multi-thousand x stake streak thus walking away with a huge profit.

    Whichever, the casino would still make their 4% rake. This issue has nothing to do with 'pro players' emptying them.
     
  30. May 10, 2014
  31. Jory

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    Or just download them for free from xhttp://www.fruit-emu.com/
     
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  32. May 10, 2014
  33. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    This happens, and it's not uncommon. It is these "community fed streaks" that make all the difference, turning a loss making 95% game into a potential long term winner. I can spot a "community fed streak" coming before it hits, simply by the machine showing a pattern that it shouldn't be showing for an account specific force. There is also a "community drain", which can be spotted by seeing patterns that are well behind what should be seen given the amount forced into a specific incarnation in an individual account.

    It could be the FEAR of pro players emptying them, rather than MGS knowing for certain that they are. Many casinos are increasingly prohibiting games when bonuses are in play that don't appear to make sense when examining the game. Some reps say this is down to "advice from our provider", so it's largely down to a fear that certain games can be beaten by pro players.

    The AWP class is a bit of a problem, because they are not random, but use some kind of compensation mechanic. Microgaming have NEVER admitted this, even though anyone who has had a decent dabble can see clues to the compensated nature. Admitting that for years they have been running non random games would be a problem, so maybe they have purged their portfolio of games that use any kind of compensation. They have left Pub Fruity, which does not appear to be compensated at all (there is a simple test, play at £10 for a bit, and then play at 10p - if the machine "goes nuts" upon switching down to 10p, it's compensated).

    Unfortunately, purging the lot has only raised their profile.

    I now have to learn a whole new set of AWP style non MGS games from scratch, this is what is most irritating.
     
  34. May 10, 2014
  35. JGslots

    JGslots Senior Member PABinit webmeister

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    Some of the AWP games have 'value from reset' for example when you join 32red there is a number of AWP's (not all) that have been installed with some value on the flash casino. There was a few AWP where you could 'buzz' them up and then extract value, but you couldn't always make a profit from this.

    You could also, on the bingo bango boom and clones change the stake if you say had a guaranteed feature entry, but if there wasn't 'value' on that stake you were 'ripping' then the board wouldn't offer a win.

    I will miss the AWP's too :(

    Next they will be getting rid of Showtime Spectacular :p
     
  36. May 23, 2014
  37. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    bump bump any news on those AWPS coming back ?
     
  38. May 23, 2014
  39. JGslots

    JGslots Senior Member PABinit webmeister

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    32red Support say they are not coming back, and that they were removed as they were not popular :p
     
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