When you are playing.................

[Nifty29]

Over time I've gotten disgusted waiting for that third trigger, especially when they turn either real slow or real fast after the first two so now I assign no significance to the actual chances of getting the third.

The part that gets me is why, after you get the first two, you see 12 scatters go past on 1 reel until right before it stops?

Depending on the software, the reels are often just animations and don't accurately reflect what's actually happening e.g. there are mg games that show symbols on spinning reels that shouldn't even exist on those reels.

Bottom line....it's mostly all eye candy. The result has already been determined by the server so nothing you see actually makes any difference or necessarily indicates reality.

 

[bigjohn]

Depending on the software, the reels are often just animations and don't accurately reflect what's actually happening e.g. there are mg games that show symbols on spinning reels that shouldn't even exist on those reels.

Bottom line....it's mostly all eye candy. The result has already been determined by the server so nothing you see actually makes any difference or necessarily indicates reality.

Oh, I get all that. What I don't get is why not use a more accurate representation of the actual reel strips instead of the wildly over exaggerated number of trigger symbols. Does anybody really find that entertaining?

 

[john39]

John39....

The pick x of y features are predetermined....with very few exceptions (texas tycoon RTG is not....arctic adventure 3Dice is not afaik).

Thanks I guess thats why in Texas Tycoon it shows what was under those other symbols

 

[Jd666]

Some scatters completly vanish from the reels.
More noticeable on Playboy for me.
You can get 2 porno mags and the one behind the bird in the purple dress on the 5th reel sometimes completly vanishes

 

[mcgameboy]

To be honest, I'd be a lot more concerned if I wasn't getting 2 scatters, let alone 3. At least when I get 2 scatters (on those slots where 2 scatters is a win) I get my bet (or twice my bet) back. That's why I play Santa's Wild Ride less than TS2 or IR. And why I play TS2 and IR less than Loaded, Avalon and AJB. Because 2 scatters that pay zilch is a crock of shit IMO.

At least when you hit 2 scatters, the chance of getting the third for the free spins/bonus feature is there.

When you go 50 spins without even getting 2 of them on one occasion, I usually see that as a bad sign. And act accordingly by heading for the exit.

And as for the game speed when you get two scatters in reels 1 and 2....is it just me or does BDBA really rip the arsehole of it with the time taken to spin the last 3 reels?

 

[chris87]

Some scatters completly vanish from the reels.
More noticeable on Playboy for me.
You can get 2 porno mags and the one behind the bird in the purple dress on the 5th reel sometimes completly vanishes

I must admit I've never noticed that. I think there's only one mag on the 5th reel and it's situated between Gillian (bird in the purple dress) and the 10. I've found MG slots (whilst they can hoover up a lot of money) are pretty sound when it comes to reel symbol positions and continuity i.e. you always carry on from where you left off when you re-load a game. I've never noticed any symbols or mags "disappearing" from Playboy. Even when the third mag just missed which is common, it's there in the same position when you take your next spin, unlike some IGT slots, Pharaoh's Fortune being a good example where the reel symbol positions definitely change with every spin!

 

[Jd666]

I must admit I've never noticed that. I think there's only one mag on the 5th reel and it's situated between Gillian (bird in the purple dress) and the 10. I've found MG slots (whilst they can hoover up a lot of money) are pretty sound when it comes to reel symbol positions and continuity i.e. you always carry on from where you left off when you re-load a game. I've never noticed any symbols or mags "disappearing" from Playboy. Even when the third mag just missed which is common, it's there in the same position when you take your next spin, unlike some IGT slots, Pharaoh's Fortune being a good example where the reel symbol positions definitely change with every spin!

I play Playboy mostly now, thats probably why i notice it, it doesnt happen often but it does happen,
Sometimes the scatter on the last reel appears again just after it has gone past exactly after Gillian again

 

[chris87]

I play Playboy mostly now, thats probably why i notice it, it doesnt happen often but it does happen,
Sometimes the scatter on the last reel appears again just after it has gone past exactly after Gillian again

Ok, I'll look out for that. I certainly agree with your last comment, this usually happens when the feature wants to hit so obviously I'm not complaining!

I play Playboy a lot too. Strangely at one casino it's going well with regular feature hits and withdrawals, at the other it taking 400+ spins before a feature hits and then the payout is dire.

When I do get a feature I usually choose the running wilds as I've had some great results on that (and some not so great) even though apparently the payout is predetermined no matter which feature you choose!

 

[Nifty29]

To be honest, I'd be a lot more concerned if I wasn't getting 2 scatters, let alone 3. At least when I get 2 scatters (on those slots where 2 scatters is a win) I get my bet (or twice my bet) back. That's why I play Santa's Wild Ride less than TS2 or IR. And why I play TS2 and IR less than Loaded, Avalon and AJB. Because 2 scatters that pay zilch is a crock of shit IMO.

At least when you hit 2 scatters, the chance of getting the third for the free spins/bonus feature is there.

When you go 50 spins without even getting 2 of them on one occasion, I usually see that as a bad sign. And act accordingly by heading for the exit.

And as for the game speed when you get two scatters in reels 1 and 2....is it just me or does BDBA really rip the arsehole of it with the time taken to spin the last 3 reels?

The trick is to set the game to turbo mode.

It doesn't actually spin any faster, but you don't get the delay after two scatters. I find it far more enjoyable that way. Maybe give it a shot?

 

[Nifty29]

Ok, I'll look out for that. I certainly agree with your last comment, this usually happens when the feature wants to hit so obviously I'm not complaining!

I play Playboy a lot too. Strangely at one casino it's going well with regular feature hits and withdrawals, at the other it taking 400+ spins before a feature hits and then the payout is dire.

When I do get a feature I usually choose the running wilds as I've had some great results on that (and some not so great) even though apparently the payout is predetermined no matter which feature you choose!

The actual exact payout for that feature e.g. $12 or 4.75 etc is not predetermined.

The RTP of each feature IS the same for each feature.....however they all have different degrees of variance I.e. they all pay 95% for instance, but some pay occasional huge hits and not much else, and some pay medium size hits more often etc etc.

You are at no disadvantage choosing one feature over the other.

 

[Diane]

The trick is to set the game to turbo mode.

It doesn't actually spin any faster, but you don't get the delay after two scatters. I find it far more enjoyable that way. Maybe give it a shot?

Nifty,
I do that especially for Scary Rich 3 ----- I "hate" the hesitation when you get the first 2-3 and hope for that big hit. On "auto-play" it doesn't hesitate.....it just hits or goes on.

Diane

Ps.......did you enjoy the LFL season this past year in your neck of the woods?

 

[brianmon]

I assume this drawn-out spinning of reels 3, 4 and 5 is supposed to raise excitement and anticipation.

But in reality, 90% of the time a 3rd never appears. So it only leads to disappointment and, to some extent, resentment of the game.

 

[varverooo]

Ok, I'll look out for that. I certainly agree with your last comment, this usually happens when the feature wants to hit so obviously I'm not complaining!

I play Playboy a lot too. Strangely at one casino it's going well with regular feature hits and withdrawals, at the other it taking 400+ spins before a feature hits and then the payout is dire.

When I do get a feature I usually choose the running wilds as I've had some great results on that (and some not so great) even though apparently the payout is predetermined no matter which feature you choose!

Iv got a question concerning the last part. Lets assume you pick the running wilds feature on Playboy and win very big like with 4 columns full of wilds 2000-3000X bet. How would that have looked like if you picked the first feature? I think even 5 wilds within the first feature (all wins X 5) don't pay that big and I've never seen so big wins like on the runningswilds. It would constantly have had to retrigger and get the biggest wins. Is that how it would work? Cuz you said no matter which feature I choose, the outcome is the same.

 

[MaryJean]

Every spin is independent of every other spin.

Some slots are programmed to have more scatters on the first few reels than the last, to create the "close call" illusion more often......ostensibly to play upon the psychological aspects of slot play that you mentioned.

The fact is that it's impossible to tell if a feature is going to occur soon, regardless of method. Even if you could tell if a feature was going to hit, the only practical way to exploit it would be to jack your bet right up.....but then you would have to know approximately how far away the feature was, and that feature might pay nothing anyway.

Two Scatters are not a indicator that three are about to hit....just like 3 scatters isn't an indication of 4 or 5.

Anyone that believes it's possible is severely deluding themselves.


John39....

The pick x of y features are predetermined....with very few exceptions (texas tycoon RTG is not....arctic adventure 3Dice is not afaik).

Nifty;

Are you sure that the Texas Tycoon exception is STILL true? For the last year or so all I have
ever gotten was the smallest one. I used to get the 25 spins fairly often but not of late.

MaryJean

 

[varverooo]

The actual exact payout for that feature e.g. $12 or 4.75 etc is not predetermined.

The RTP of each feature IS the same for each feature.....however they all have different degrees of variance I.e. they all pay 95% for instance, but some pay occasional huge hits and not much else, and some pay medium size hits more often etc etc.

You are at no disadvantage choosing one feature over the other.

but that would mean that it DOES matter which feature you choose, on one you may win more than on the other one (of course not talking about the long term here, but on one occasion).

 

[chris87]

Iv got a question concerning the last part. Lets assume you pick the running wilds feature on Playboy and win very big like with 4 columns full of wilds 2000-3000X bet. How would that have looked like if you picked the first feature? I think even 5 wilds within the first feature (all wins X 5) don't pay that big and I've never seen so big wins like on the runningswilds. It would constantly have had to retrigger and get the biggest wins. Is that how it would work? Cuz you said no matter which feature I choose, the outcome is the same.

That's a good question and something I've considered. I agree, it would be difficult to hit as big on the other feature choices as the running wilds. I believe what Nifty was saying is that its overall play which evens out to the 98% RTP or whatever. So if you chose the running wilds until you got a big hit, the feature payouts whatever you chose likely wouldn't be as good for a while afterwards. The best way is to get that big win and then get out of there! Of course it can work the other way around as I've found in that you get poor features and lose quite a bit but eventually you'll hit a good win.

 

[secret2]

My tiny laptop with a tiny brain runs so slow at times but even though, when I see two scatters more than three times, I press the space bar twice, quickly and then I get 4 scatters more often than not but the payout is is still soooo sucky.

If it's your time, it's your time with the RTP, I guess.

 

[Nifty29]

but that would mean that it DOES matter whifeaturesre you choose, on one you may win more than on the other one (of course not talking about the long term here, but on one occasion).

I see your point.

I'll just clarify.....when I said the "payout" is the same for all features, I don't mean that the exact same reel positions would have come up regardless of which one you choose. Each feature has a different set of reels e.g. only the running wilds has multiple wilds on the reels.

The win potential on each individual spin MAY be greater on THAT spin.....but the potential of getting a medium or small win will be LESS.....I.e. variance. As a rough example, one feature on a slot might have a max win of 10000xbet and another might have a 5000xbet max.....the RTP is the same, as you have twice as much chance of hitting the 5000x max pay than the 10000x max pay.

As a rule, RTP refers to "what" a slot pays....variance refers to "how" it distributes that payback. It's why some players prefer high variance I.e. for that chance of a huge win....but they also accept they will get a lot of zero or low paying features in the meantime, or have to wait longer for a trigger.

Hope that helps.

 

[Nifty29]

My tiny laptop with a tiny brain runs so slow at times but even though, when I see two scatters more than three times, I press the space bar twice, quickly and then I get 4 scatters more often than not but the payout is is still soooo sucky.

If it's your time, it's your time with the RTP, I guess.

No, secret, nooooooooo........

Please don't put your hand up for one of those hats

You're not really saying double pressing the space bar has an effect on the game.....are you?

 

[KasinoKing]

I play Playboy mostly now, thats probably why i notice it, it doesnt happen often but it does happen,
Sometimes the scatter on the last reel appears again just after it has gone past exactly after Gillian again

I've explained this a few times on the forum - luckily I managed to find it this time so I didn't have to type all this again!

What happens is:
The reel "spins" and you see a true reflection of the reel strip layout passing before your very eyes!
(If you've ever had an internet disconnect or other pause causing an extended spin, you will have been able to see this for yourself)
When the reel is about to stop, the software "cuts in" the finishing position (which has been selected by a randomly generated number from 1 to X) and then the reel stops. (If you don't understand why the "cut-in" is needed - ask and I will explain)
With Microgaming the "Cut in" on recent slots seems to vary and includes from 1 to 3 extra symbols. With NetEnt there are no extra symbols at all (which actually annoys me a bit!)

So, I'll try to show this graphically below...
The Black numbers are the positions on the reel strip from 01 to X (however many symbols are on the reel).
The Blue numbers are the extra symbols at the start of the "cut-in".
The Red numbers are the 3 symbols which end up being displayed on your screen.
(Bear in mind that the reel spins downward, so the numbers at the bottom of this graphic are what you see first).

15
14 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
13
12 < Symbols in View
11 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
10
09
08 _ _ _ _ < Cut-in
11
10
09
08
07
06
05

Now suppose on this reel that position 11 is the scatter symbol. In this example you would see that scatter go past and yet still "miraculously" land in your window, even though it only appears once on that reel.

If you don't believe what I'm saying, PLEASE go and play some MG slots on normal spin speed and watch very closely - you will see it!
Tell-tale signs are two of the same symbol appearing next to each other just before the spin stops, when they never appear adjacent with the reel stopped. Or stacked wilds having less than the full number of adjacent symbols, again just before the spin stops.
Cashapillar is a very good slot for viewing this - or pretty much any slot with stacked wilds or very distinctive symbols you can easily pick out.

KK