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Luigi810:You know what pinababy, maybe I'm not cured afterall
Maybe you didn't need a "cure" but the way to become more centered and balnced when playing and hopefully, you have put some of these guards in place as it seems you did by the way you are now saying you play.

Many need some kind of handle on just how to control "it" rather than "it" controlling you and the meister has a great place to find these tools...and hopefully this has been where you found some help :thumbsup:

<Did not derail thread! Just followed in Pinababy69's footsteps :D>
So if I get beat , so does she! :p

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Yea, I don't know what to make of that. It just makes matters worse when you come back to the forum under an assumed name, then lie about who you are and where you are.

Don't you think that ppl like that have other serious problems apart of gambling.
Any physiologists on the board??

No matter what Bryan does, they will find their way back imo....
 
CM - With this whole ban rule thing, which I completely understand, I have just a small question. If someone says they want to take, lets say, a one month break, because they feel like they are getting addicted, can you ban them for a month break and let them reevaluate after that period?

CK
 
Maybe you didn't need a "cure" but the way to become more centered and balnced when playing and hopefully, you have put some of these guards in place as it seems you did by the way you are now saying you play.

Many need some kind of handle on just how to control "it" rather than "it" controlling you and the meister has a great place to find these tools...and hopefully this has been where you found some help :thumbsup:

So if I get beat , so does she! :p

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Ha ha ha.....pretty slick there Silc, lol. :thumbsup:

Quick sidenote: No one is ever completely "cured" of any addiction. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic...but you can get better. If that makes sense, lol.

I've asked Bryan about the forum, so I can get out of Rob's thread, and not get him any more pissed off at me, lol. :laugh:
 
Quick sidenote: No one is ever completely "cured" of any addiction. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic...but you can get better. If that makes sense, lol.

That makes perfect sense. An alcoholic is never "cured." Even if they've been clean for decades, one drink could send them spiraling down that slippery slope once again. I don't think having a gambling addiction is any different.
 
CM - With this whole ban rule thing, which I completely understand, I have just a small question. If someone says they want to take, lets say, a one month break, because they feel like they are getting addicted, can you ban them for a month break and let them reevaluate after that period?

CK
Sure - if someone says they want to take a break that's fine. In fact Babs was one who did this...and I let her back in.

The bottom line is I take your word, you take mine. You act like a responsible adult and I'll do the same.
 
Yea, I don't know what to make of that. It just makes matters worse when you come back to the forum under an assumed name, then lie about who you are and where you are.

Even to the extent of writing a "hello" message to the forum and tell us that it's "nice to meet you"?? :what:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/hello.29318/

Then tell us that "I'm a newbie here"??? :what:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/to-all-newbies.29322/




OR how about this question in the "Thank you 3dice" thread:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/thank-you-3-dice.29483/



Come on.....wtf? :mad: "Friends" don't pull stunts like that.

Babs, if you're reading this, GET SOME HELP. Or at least take a good look at yourself and re-examine your life. Would you want people treating you the way you've treated us?

Winbig,

People with serious mental disorders and/or severe dysfunctional problems do not have friends. They are so focused on themselves in their disease, they can not actually have real feelings of friendship. They do not mean to do harm, but they can not seem to do anything other than feed their disorder. Without help, they only get worse with time.

Babs seems to be very self centered in her "disorder" or whatever you choose to call it. The fact that she pulls stunts like what happened here, proves how much she lives in her own world, with no thoughts of the harm she does or how bad it makes her look. She has a need and will fullfill that need at almost any cost. Very much like addiction, but in her case it probably goes much further than simple addiction (assuming her physical problems are real).
 
intervention

intervention is a show on (A and E ) and one show was about gamblers and they were talking about people having phyical withdraws from not gambling. It was very interesting show. One woman would take her infant son to the poker room with her in car seat. How sad is that?:confused:
 
Completely unrelated...

...but I thought this was kinda funny :p:

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Enforcement.

Having read this thread, I can look at the issue from the point of view of someone who wants back in "under the radar", but also has a bit of knowledge.

MAC address = probably the most effective, in order to get back in, the miscreant will have to shell out for a new PC:D
However, for those REAL whizz kids, there are likely to be several ways around this, not least the obvious one of using a browser they know will not support MAC retrieval once they are aware this is how they are getting caught. A clever programmer may even be able to intercept the IE ActiveX script, and return a fake MAC address, which he changes every time it gets "busted". A rootkit may be necessary, but they are out there! It's not something I could do (yet, anyway). This would fool the system into believing it had not been denied a MAC by use of a different browser, and would accept the MAC as genuine.

Other systems, such as those used by MGS are easily defeated. MGS plants a permanent entry in the registry that blocks the creation of duplicate accounts on that PC, even if the casino is uninstalled. This takes only seconds to circumvent, and is a simple matter of deleting entries in 2 registry keys, and they are pretty obviously named.

There is also software on the market that constantly monitors for changes in the registry, so that they can be reversed at any time. They do, however, rely on them running at the time a change is made.

If most miscreants are not all that good with the technical side though, banning by MAC address would be the most accurate. To speed up the process of catching them, the script to gather the MAC address for NEW registrants could also be run for existing members when they log in, if their MAC address is not present in Bryan's back end :)D).

Maybe what is needed is someone to make a duplicate account, all with Bryan's permission, and use it in order to verify the effectiveness of any enforcement system. This volunteer could then try to circumvent the system to see if the enforcement can be overcome. If a loophole is found, Bryan can be told how, and together they can find a way to plug the loophole.

Currently, banned members can simply suffer the inconvenience of being "busted", and having to start over. This is probably more damaging than letting them stay (but keeping an eye on them). Members who Bryan is 100% sure are genuine could then be sent a PM alerting them to this "under the radar" subterfuge, without the banned member realising. This results in us not being fooled, but the banned member not realising they have been rumbled, so they may well proceed to dig a big hole for themselves, but will not produce additional work for Bryan by continually trying to sneak back under a new username.

Members who suspect "new" members of being returning banned ones can tip off Bryan - as I did when one REAL "villain" tried to sneak back for the umpteenth time (he was originally banned for fraud, and I believe won an "evil player" award for activity that took place before I joined here). He later got banned as "murder1" I believe, before he decided to get cocky because he had sailed in & not been spotted for months. He said something in a PM that made me look back to the year before I joined, so I found out how serious his offence was. He just HAS to be back again, as the username he was using was never banned (as far as I can see), he just abandoned it, maybe having had second thoughts about the PM he sent me, but could not retract.
 
Having read this thread, I can look at the issue from the point of view of someone who wants back in "under the radar", but also has a bit of knowledge.

MAC address = probably the most effective, in order to get back in, the miscreant will have to shell out for a new PC:D
However, for those REAL whizz kids, there are likely to be several ways around this, not least the obvious one of using a browser they know will not support MAC retrieval once they are aware this is how they are getting caught. A clever programmer may even be able to intercept the IE ActiveX script, and return a fake MAC address, which he changes every time it gets "busted". A rootkit may be necessary, but they are out there! It's not something I could do (yet, anyway). This would fool the system into believing it had not been denied a MAC by use of a different browser, and would accept the MAC as genuine.

Other systems, such as those used by MGS are easily defeated. MGS plants a permanent entry in the registry that blocks the creation of duplicate accounts on that PC, even if the casino is uninstalled. This takes only seconds to circumvent, and is a simple matter of deleting entries in 2 registry keys, and they are pretty obviously named.

There is also software on the market that constantly monitors for changes in the registry, so that they can be reversed at any time. They do, however, rely on them running at the time a change is made.

If most miscreants are not all that good with the technical side though, banning by MAC address would be the most accurate. To speed up the process of catching them, the script to gather the MAC address for NEW registrants could also be run for existing members when they log in, if their MAC address is not present in Bryan's back end :)D).

Maybe what is needed is someone to make a duplicate account, all with Bryan's permission, and use it in order to verify the effectiveness of any enforcement system. This volunteer could then try to circumvent the system to see if the enforcement can be overcome. If a loophole is found, Bryan can be told how, and together they can find a way to plug the loophole.

Currently, banned members can simply suffer the inconvenience of being "busted", and having to start over. This is probably more damaging than letting them stay (but keeping an eye on them). Members who Bryan is 100% sure are genuine could then be sent a PM alerting them to this "under the radar" subterfuge, without the banned member realising. This results in us not being fooled, but the banned member not realising they have been rumbled, so they may well proceed to dig a big hole for themselves, but will not produce additional work for Bryan by continually trying to sneak back under a new username.

Members who suspect "new" members of being returning banned ones can tip off Bryan - as I did when one REAL "villain" tried to sneak back for the umpteenth time (he was originally banned for fraud, and I believe won an "evil player" award for activity that took place before I joined here). He later got banned as "murder1" I believe, before he decided to get cocky because he had sailed in & not been spotted for months. He said something in a PM that made me look back to the year before I joined, so I found out how serious his offence was. He just HAS to be back again, as the username he was using was never banned (as far as I can see), he just abandoned it, maybe having had second thoughts about the PM he sent me, but could not retract.

The problem with banning by means of "MAC" only can also be circumvented though by changing it at your Router, so it will take a combination of the few I had mentioned earlier to totally get the issue fixed.
 
I always mean what I say, thats one of my good points, I can't hold anything back and I hate that feeling of guilt, I had it all my years of gambling and I swore I'd never get that way again..I tell it like it is even when it makes me look bad, that's how I get better..Next week it will be 7 months for me since I found peace, thanks to CM and friends like yourself that made me see there is a light at the end of the tunnel and to also face the truth about my problems..I don't mind criticism, I welcome it..

Thanks for that Luigi. I hope you mean what you say...about at least giving it some thought. If so, that's a major breakthrough. Lying to yourself is quite common with any addiction, it's called justification. You tell yourself it's all right to just play once in a while, because it's less than what you used to play. But if you really think about it, you know what's going to happen...a month down the road, or six months, whatever.
 
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I love playing the way I do now, I look forward to it and it doesn't control me, I'm the one in control now..unfortunatly I learned the hard way..

Sorry again Rob...;)



Maybe you didn't need a "cure" but the way to become more centered and balnced when playing and hopefully, you have put some of these guards in place as it seems you did by the way you are now saying you play.

Many need some kind of handle on just how to control "it" rather than "it" controlling you and the meister has a great place to find these tools...and hopefully this has been where you found some help :thumbsup:

So if I get beat , so does she! :p

.
 
I always mean what I say, thats one of my good points, I can't hold anything back and I hate that feeling of guilt, I had it all my years of gambling and I swore I'd never get that way again..I tell it like it is even when it makes me look bad, that's how I get better..Next week it will be 7 months for me since I found peace, thanks to CM and friends like yourself that made me see there is a light at the end of the tunnel and to also face the truth about my problems..I don't mind criticism, I welcome it..

Thanks for that Luigi. I hope you mean what you say...about at least giving it some thought. If so, that's a major breakthrough. Lying to yourself is quite common with any addiction, it's called justification. You tell yourself it's all right to just play once in a while, because it's less than what you used to play. But if you really think about it, you know what's going to happen...a month down the road, or six months, whatever.

7 months all I have to say is :what:

Cindy
 
Maybe a mod can split the thread up since both topics are very worthy of their own threads and it appears to be about as many posts about "Gambling Problems" now as it is about "Banning Issues".
 
Luigi810 said

Not if I played it all back..

And just so everyone knows, I am NOT bragging by no means nor am I proud
of what I've done, and everything I write is the gods honest truth, I just want everyone to know excatly how dangerous gambling can be, if you don't play smart..I WAS DUMB

I have to say that diane has come a long way and should be commended for getting her gambling to where she controls it now instead of the other way around imo. I too think the forum has its uses when a player sees a need to slow down and take a breather from gaming, it takes support from others and diane knows she has the support of many friends that will help her and in turn she may be able to help others in the future not to make the same mistake, we all make them(mistakes), who is the perfect gambler out there?.....im guessing no one;)

I agree with rob, this needs to be two different threads as we began talking about the banning of mercy(fcat) and babs(royally flushed) and how they get under the radar, so can we split it or get back on topic please..........laurie
 
Not to be difficult, but ANY gambling site is a problem for someone who has an "out of control" gambling problem. JMO.
read this all again and here is my 2c:
I don't think that simply getting banned from CM or casinos will help someone with the gambling addiction. There are always more casinos to play and more forums to read. They need some other help.

I agree with Luigi that this board can teach a lot and be a great support in becoming a "healthy" gambler as some people on here claim to be. I am in the similar situation sort of too... As pointed before, this forum is a whole lot more...
:cool:

if Just today XOXOXOXO got snagged as a bot why are they still listed as a member? is bot's allowed? we thought this was another banned player I wont name their name but boy could she make up some tall tales

Cindy

Jas, I think "maybe" Bryan meant to say that XOXOXO got MISTAKENLY snagged as a bot. The way it was written sort of implied that they were a bot, and I don't think that's the case, lol.

But I am curious as to who you think it may be....does it start with an "M"? :D

sorry to disappoint you both but i never was a member of this board before neither i was gambling for very long. I think Mercy used to call me Joanne for some unknown reason. I may be wrong and don't know who Joanne is but she sure was paranoid. :rolleyes:
Max has all my personal info that can be verified with casinos i play and i'd leave it up to mods to check.

sorry for derailing.


...As for using MAC address, I don't think it would solve the problem completely....

This guide will show you how to change the MAC address of a network card in Windows XP.
1. Click START>RUN then type regedt32 (without quotes) and press ENTER

2. Go to

"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contr ol\Class\{4D36E972-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}".

3. Double click on it to expand the tree. The subkeys are 4-digit numbers, which represent particular network adapters. You should see it starts with 0000, then 0001, 0002, 0003 and so on.

4. Find the interface you want by searching for the proper "DriverDesc" key.

5. Edit the string key "NetworkAddress" to contain the new MAC address.

6. If the string key "NetworkAddress" doesnt exist, make one. It has has the data type "REG_SZ".

7. Disable then re-enable the network interface that you changed or reboot the system.


I had to change motherboard on my PC and Microsoft could not recognize me anymore :p
 
Yes I do call it control Jas, I played 50.00 not 5k and not because I didn't have the money, I stopped because I didn't cash in..The old me would have wanted to get the 33k back that I won that night and played 5k, so yes, I do think I have things under control..I spilled my guts to everyone by what I lost, my family, friends, my life and thousands of dollars but most important what I did to my husband, so why now would you think I would lie, did I not mention I played that night? Go pull up the other thread when I wrote that I played months prior and how I felt like shit....No, you wouldn't do that, that may make me look good, you just wanna catch me in a lie..
You want truth Jas, I think there is something about me that bothers you, I felt this from day one, and I know my feelings are right because in 7 months I never got this feeling from anyone in here but you and now you just verified what I felt..While I'm on an "honest roll" I think your mean to alot of people, you have some serious issues..you like looking for trouble..

Sorry everyone for bringing this up in here, I figured since Jas speaks her mind it would be ok if I did..


again :what:
I am sorry but we have to go back to 01/16/09
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/getting-creamed-at-rtg-slots.28999/
post #3 post #6 post #8 post #10

you call this control


Cindy
 
Yes Jas, 7 months of peace, what don't you get..

I always mean what I say, thats one of my good points, I can't hold anything back and I hate that feeling of guilt, I had it all my years of gambling and I swore I'd never get that way again..I tell it like it is even when it makes me look bad, that's how I get better..Next week it will be 7 months for me since I found peace, thanks to CM and friends like yourself that made me see there is a light at the end of the tunnel and to also face the truth about my problems..I don't mind criticism, I welcome it..



7 months all I have to say is :what:

Cindy
 
Thank you Lauriejim for posting that, and for seeing where I am today..
I appreciate that so much..

Luigi810 said

Not if I played it all back..

And just so everyone knows, I am NOT bragging by no means nor am I proud
of what I've done, and everything I write is the gods honest truth, I just want everyone to know excatly how dangerous gambling can be, if you don't play smart..I WAS DUMB

I have to say that diane has come a long way and should be commended for getting her gambling to where she controls it now instead of the other way around imo. I too think the forum has its uses when a player sees a need to slow down and take a breather from gaming, it takes support from others and diane knows she has the support of many friends that will help her and in turn she may be able to help others in the future not to make the same mistake, we all make them(mistakes), who is the perfect gambler out there?.....im guessing no one;)

I agree with rob, this needs to be two different threads as we began talking about the banning of mercy(fcat) and babs(royally flushed) and how they get under the radar, so can we split it or get back on topic please..........laurie
 
Last word on this until it goes into its own forum, or at least an appropriately titled thread. Rob and Laurie...you guys are right that this seriously needs to be split.

Jas, thanks for making that post. It's not pretty, but it needed to be said.

Luigi...please take none of what I have said as criticism. I highly commend and respect you for having the willingness to discuss this so openly. If you knew how much I care about this subject, and want to help...and maybe in the process, make this industry a safer place for people with this kind of addiction....you would know that my motives are sincere.

XOXOXO...it's not really about curing anyone...it's about trying to get each faction of the industry involved in doing their part. Bryan does his part here when someone comes to him with a gambling problem. "Some" casinos are taking a harder line on the issue...but not enough. And no, none of that is going to stop anyone from gambling if they are totally determined. But it's about doing what you can to help, that's all. And trying to act responsibly. Oh, and I don't think you're anyone but who you say you are....that was a misunderstanding. I believe you're a fellow Canuck, yes? :)

Rob, you can whup my ass later okay? I swear to God I'll stfu now. :D
 
I think it's great what your trying to do and I also know your motives are sincere..keep up the good work pinababy :thumbsup:

Last word on this until it goes into its own forum, or at least an appropriately titled thread. Rob and Laurie...you guys are right that this seriously needs to be split.

Jas, thanks for making that post. It's not pretty, but it needed to be said.

Luigi...please take none of what I have said as criticism. I highly commend and respect you for having the willingness to discuss this so openly. If you knew how much I care about this subject, and want to help...and maybe in the process, make this industry a safer place for people with this kind of addiction....you would know that my motives are sincere.

XOXOXO...it's not really about curing anyone...it's about trying to get each faction of the industry involved in doing their part. Bryan does his part here when someone comes to him with a gambling problem. "Some" casinos are taking a harder line on the issue...but not enough. And no, none of that is going to stop anyone from gambling if they are totally determined. But it's about doing what you can to help, that's all. And trying to act responsibly. Oh, and I don't think you're anyone but who you say you are....that was a misunderstanding. I believe you're a fellow Canuck, yes? :)

Rob, you can whup my ass later okay? I swear to God I'll stfu now. :D
 
Yes I do call it control Jas, I played 50.00 not 5k and not because I didn't have the money, I stopped because I didn't cash in..The old me would have wanted to get the 33k back that I won that night and played 5k, so yes, I do think I have things under control..I spilled my guts to everyone by what I lost, my family, friends, my life and thousands of dollars but most important what I did to my husband, so why now would you think I would lie, did I not mention I played that night? Go pull up the other thread when I wrote that I played months prior and how I felt like shit....No, you wouldn't do that, that may make me look good, you just wanna catch me in a lie..
You want truth Jas, I think there is something about me that bothers you, I felt this from day one, and I know my feelings are right because in 7 months I never got this feeling from anyone in here but you and now you just verified what I felt..While I'm on an "honest roll" I think your mean to alot of people, you have some serious issues..you like looking for trouble..

Sorry everyone for bringing this up in here, I figured since Jas speaks her mind it would be ok if I did..

I dont think cindy is trying to catch you in a lie diane, in all honesty i believe she wants to keep you on the path that you have been doing so well at, keeping the gambling on your control level, this is just my thinking on this but alot of us were tore apart today with the mercy(fcat) and babs issue, this thread should be focused on them and the many others that pull the wool over our eyes, we shouldnt be upset with each other but at those that brought this issue down on our heads........this is just my 2.5 cents worth for the evening.........laurie
 
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