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When to leave an RTG game

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by babs7262, Jul 9, 2007.

    Jul 9, 2007
  1. babs7262

    babs7262 Banned User

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    Well

    Im not sure if this has been noticed or posted but I did a little "investigating" myself to see how they work.

    It all started when I was playing Goldbeard one day. I was playing awhile and noticed that the pirates werent showing up at all on the first line. I stopped playing because I figured I couldnt win anything if that reel was gone.

    Another time I was playing Honey to the Bee and I said to myself "hmm this odd, I usually get a bonus by now, plus I kept getting the big bee" I did 5 spins at the lowest amount and instead of watching each line, I only watched the last line to see if the "hive" was present and it wasn't!!

    From now on....If you play an RTG, first do small spins 5 times, if you don't see the symbol on the line where it gives you a bonus, move on to another game.

    This has happened to me several times at different RTG casinos, infact, I went as far as 10 spins without one hive or pirate showing up at all. When I say showing up, I don't mean stopping, I mean it didnt even fly by and wasnt even in the game reel.

    Make sure you have a fair play and look out for this glitch or on purpose problem!
     
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  2. Jul 9, 2007
  3. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    This is pure coincidence based on a very small sample. If you have a method to determine if a slot is 'hot' you should be very rich.

    On average the slots are extremely cold with a payout of 95%. So my advice is always to play them at minimum bet unless you do not mind to pay for the
    entertainment.

    I am not bashing you, but when I have seen 10 of these post I just have to reply. You are just one in thousands receiving RNG for you game when you play and the RNG does not care of know who it are sending the generated number to.



    Zoozie
     
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  4. Jul 9, 2007
  5. Mike031

    Mike031 Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    It's not always so, because sometimes you must lose at first something and there comes really nothing about some spins, but sometimes after these losing spins, you'll get very often a bigger win, so you could never know before, what you'll get in the future :)

    I play only RTG Video Slots and i thought also, that i can see a system, but it's certainly nonsense, because you can't see in the future ;)
     
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  6. Jul 9, 2007
  7. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

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    Very interesting indeed!

    I spent a lot of time "inestigating" the RTG slots.
    And i am sure that there are patterns (tried to describe them weeks ago in another thread , dont know the name anymore).


    How would you judge the situation at Ronin (has the middle line komoku diappeared? sometimes it seems as if...)

    It is a bit different at fruit frenzy, where you need 5 symbols on a payline.

    Howsoever:
    I never play a single RTG slot more than 5 spins in a row. If its hot, it had enough opportunity to show it - if not: leave it!

    Therfore i cannot follow your friednly advice, to start with 5 low spins.
    I had my wins in the first 5 - or in the respins..

    It actually hapens quite often that i hit a feature on the first or second spin (or never, which is even more frequently).
     
  8. Jul 9, 2007
  9. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    These discussions seems to pop up again and again, unfortunately. For patterns in games I tried once to give a serious reply in the thread I am linking to. Even with a perfect RNG there will be patterns. Even some patterns you can define before even SEEING the result(I give an example). And the RNG is still working perfect so it is not a contradiction.

    Seeing the results and then finding a pattern does not make sense - unless the pattern will emerge every time you repeat the experiment. (A 'global' pattern). And yet even if you find such a patterns, it can ever any useful at all in terms of winning/loosing. You can not beat the house edge, period. Software errors does exist though, but you must talk about software errors then and not the 'cold'/'hot' stuff.

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...ky-rigged-3.html?highlight=pattern#post122839
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...ky-rigged-3.html?highlight=pattern#post123175

    (Sorry for being such a party pooper...)

    Zoozie
     
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  10. Jul 9, 2007
  11. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

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    oh - you are not a party pooper.
    I simply need some elements of superstition when gambling, and i need only seconds to forget these most rational and smart threads. (as you saw... i had nearly repressed it...).

    Yes, this point comes up again and again - its one of the most important or at least fascinating points for slot players.
    So, lets discuss this once more, just a little.
    Its much better than whining about FOOL CAT s manager, inst it?
     
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  12. Jul 9, 2007
  13. babs7262

    babs7262 Banned User

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    You may have misunderstood me

    I wasnt posting this out as a "strategy" or how to "beat the system" I'm just pointing out that on certain games the bonus symbol is not present at all and to avoid playing that particular game if you notice that it's not there.

    What's the point of playing that game if you know the symbol is missing. I don't have any method or strategy. It's gambling and unless you made the game, I doubt anyone out there can beat the system. I play for entertainment purposes, not to become rich.

    I'm just posting because this was something I noticed and wanted to share with the group. Noone has to heed to it. It's just a shame that you can do 10 spins and the symbol (no matter the game) is nowhere to be found. Even in a B&M you see the "spin" symbol on wheel of fortune fly by every spin. You may not get it, but atleast it shows up.

    I just don't understand. Sometimes when people share their thoughts to help others out in this forum, it's taken as a "this is how you become rich" or "I found a way to beat the system" thread.

    This isnt that. It's just me informing you guys on what I noticed :)
     
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  14. Jul 9, 2007
  15. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Webmeister webmeister

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    i always wondered why this "new version of lobby ready for install" always appears when i log back on to the casino that i have a good balance on . they said it was a rtg thing but seems funny to me.is this normal and has it happened to anyone else?:what:
     
  16. Jul 9, 2007
  17. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    The RTG software simulation of the spinning reels has been discussed before, but this is just GUI and should not have any effect on the outcome. But I agree I have also seen wierd stuff in the RTG spinning reels. A test for fairness you be to write down the reels and see if what you see spinning is indeed the reels and furthermore (most important) that all positions on the reels are equally likely to show up. (I did this test with MG software when I made the slot simulator)

    Zoozie
     
  18. Jul 9, 2007
  19. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Pretty normal. I even once got booted from the casino when I playing a nice bonus on 9/6 JoB VP. (And I was ahead). When I log back on, there is an update and the paytable was changed to 8/5...:mad: This was VIP Lounge btw. - I played there before I realized what group they were part up.

    Zoozie
     
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  21. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Webmeister webmeister

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    so can the casino do this at whim or is it just done by rtg itself ? it always happens when im up on my balance or am making a playthru on comps, ect bonuses. laurie
     
  22. Jul 9, 2007
  23. Mike031

    Mike031 Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    I'm sure, that's only a Casino thing and not from RTG directly, because i've seen the same thing at SciFi, but they changed their lobby nearly every hour!
    But only two difference lobbies and they always switched between these both lobbies and this was also a fact, why i'll never play there, although i've won there more, as deposited, but what sin does it have, when you can only payout $ 500 in one day?

    This rule sucks and it's only for very very low rollers, which maybe play only with $ 10 a day :D
     
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  24. Jul 9, 2007
  25. tencardcharlie

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    Being superstitious about gambling is totally cool as long as one is aware that it is only superstition, and nothing else. The problem is that people often believe that those patterns actually can be used to determine when good or bad streaks will occur.

    If I make a post that states I usually get luckier when my cat is around, noone will actually believe that that the cat influences the game outcome. However, if I post that I see certain patterns before a winning streak, some people might belive that there is a predictability in the games.

    I don't mind if people try to find patterns and develop slot strategies or betting systems as long as it's just for entertainment. I do think it is a good idea to point out that it is just for fun when making posts about it, to prevent people from beliving that the strategies actually works. (and to avoid the endless "does systems work?"- discussions. :))
     
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  26. Jul 9, 2007
  27. Kaynos72

    Kaynos72 Dormant account

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    I play mostly RTG slots and goldbeard is one of my prefered. I spend lots of money in that one and from my experience, i tend to agree with the original poster.

    Just last saturday i made a deposit of 100$ and start playing goldbeard at 1$ a bet. It was awesome, the pirates were coming all the time on the first wheel and maybe 25% on the last, i was winning constantly, i manage to get ahead up to 325$ in 20-25 min. In that period i got the feature maybe 5-6 times.

    Since i'm not a huge gambler i decided to play it safe and made a 200$ deposit and keep playing with the 125$. Well guess what happen ? I lost it all.

    The pirates that was coming very, very often on the first wheel, completly stop and i mean completly like in once every 25 spins ! Maybe this is just pure coincidence but i really felt something has happened here. How can you explain such a drastic change ?

    It's not the first time i notice that, a slot will pay constantly for a while then turn cold and stop paying for a very long time. It's not a coincidence, their must be something inside the program that look at how it pays and trigger something that makes it pay, then once the slot has paid xxx amount in xxx time, it's turned off and the slot stop paying.
     
  28. Jul 9, 2007
  29. Simmo!

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    And don't forget that also takes into account the Random Jackpot, so in actual fact they are probably a fair bit less than 95% without hitting one of those.
     
  30. Jul 9, 2007
  31. Mike031

    Mike031 Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    That's correct, because it's at most after a bonus round (free spins) and after that you get at most nothing, so it's time to change this slot directly, after maybe 5-10 spins, because sometimes you'll get directly after free spns the same one again, or a big win, but it's certainly not always so, but it happens to me not so rarly ;)
     
  32. Jul 10, 2007
  33. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Well, if you get a "lobby update" and find your J or B suddenly has a worse paytable, that isn't "superstition", it's the casino up to something. RTG lobbies DO seem to have an awful lot of "updates", yet seemingly nothing changes. It supports accusations made earlier that RTG casinos can and do change the odds for a particular player, either to put them off their stride, or increase the house edge on a game they are doing particularly well at.
    Now we are meant to believe the non-appearance of, say, pirates on reel one, is no indication the slot is "mean". This is BS, if it were just the GUI it would ALWAYS show the same things, and these would not relate to the reel stops. if it chages between showing many "pirates" and none, then it is reacting to something - and then there is the case of those two triggers on raindance, followed by the slot freezing, and the bet being voided and the slot effectively resetting.
    This is RTG, and I do not have a problem believing that SOME operators are resorting to "dirty tricks", and some ex employees have admitted that some of these so called "errors" really are the casino messing with the player's accounts in real time with on the fly changes when they are winning "too much". Mud sticks, so even with reputable RTG's where such interference is highly improbable, we can easily think it is still happening, rather than accept it is down to the internet, GUI, etc.
     
  34. Jul 10, 2007
  35. SlotsWizard

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    As you may have noticed in some of my recent posts, I have been hanging on to the hope that big-name software brands wouldn't stoop this low. But I gotta say, my most recent RTG session sure felt like 'rigged' like this.

    I deposited $100 and was playing Ronin, got a good feature and worked it up to a little over $400 and then played something else (Roulette, I think) and got up to $500. And that's where the decline began. It didn't matter what game I played, I could do nothing but lose. It 'felt' like the server/RNG/whatever was accepting my bets and making sure that it provided an adverse result. I basically blew the bulk of it at Baccarat. Did you see my post in the Suck thread? The history view only shows the most recent 22 hands, but the entire history trail (which I unfortunately don't have a screenshot of) looked much the same. I didn't play much more than about 50 hands anyway (how could I with that kind of 'luck'?). I bet on the banker the majority of the time, and only bet on the player 2 or 3 times. Here's what the Baccarat in real money mode looked like (after having won $400 from Ronin & Roulette):

    View attachment 6861

    After busting out, I logged on in "Fun" mode and played 22 hands - no more, no less, again, betting only on the banker. Here's what that looked like:

    View attachment 6862

    Obviously these are very tiny samples, so make of it what you will.
     
  36. Jul 10, 2007
  37. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    My observations of Goldbeard have shown me this: You will almost never get a pirate on the first reel if there is now a ship on the first reel. Why?

    I do not believe that the first reel is randomly generated. It is just a very long real. It will go through about five 'screens' of symbols each spin for awhile and then it will 'reset'. How it resets is to spin longer, this may be 9 'screens' or 10, or 11.
    Also, it seems the first reel is occasionally changed or swapped with another reel.

    In thousands of recorded spins only once has the pirate apeared on reel one when the ship was there before the spin. Your mileage may vary :D
     
  38. Jul 12, 2007
  39. KasinoKing

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    From another thread:-
    That is EXACTLY my theory on RTG slots, and I was going to post the same thing - so thanks again for saving me lots of typing! :notworthy

    I have always maintained that I can see the spinning reels at RTG & always know before they stop whether I definitely WON'T get the feature.
    After getting the first 1 or 2 symbols you need, if you see the feature symbol go past on the next reel you know 100% you will not hit it.

    This is particularly easy to see on Goldbeard due to the 3 triggering symbols being together.
    After reel 4 has stopped, you need the Pirates to have already just gone past to have any chance of hitting. If you see them while the reel is still spinning you are simple not going to hit it.

    I actually find this a bit annoying (like in the 'old days' of RTG when Cleopatra did a 'little skip' right at the beginning of a feature-hitting spin), because it takes away the element of surprise. :(
    So what I do now when I just need one more symbol for the feature, is close my eyes or look away from the screen & just prey to hear bells!

    :rolleyes:
     
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