When to leave an RTG game

[babs7262]

Well

Im not sure if this has been noticed or posted but I did a little "investigating" myself to see how they work.

It all started when I was playing Goldbeard one day. I was playing awhile and noticed that the pirates werent showing up at all on the first line. I stopped playing because I figured I couldnt win anything if that reel was gone.

Another time I was playing Honey to the Bee and I said to myself "hmm this odd, I usually get a bonus by now, plus I kept getting the big bee" I did 5 spins at the lowest amount and instead of watching each line, I only watched the last line to see if the "hive" was present and it wasn't!!

From now on....If you play an RTG, first do small spins 5 times, if you don't see the symbol on the line where it gives you a bonus, move on to another game.

This has happened to me several times at different RTG casinos, infact, I went as far as 10 spins without one hive or pirate showing up at all. When I say showing up, I don't mean stopping, I mean it didnt even fly by and wasnt even in the game reel.

Make sure you have a fair play and look out for this glitch or on purpose problem!

 

[Zoozie]

This is pure coincidence based on a very small sample. If you have a method to determine if a slot is 'hot' you should be very rich.

On average the slots are extremely cold with a payout of 95%. So my advice is always to play them at minimum bet unless you do not mind to pay for the
entertainment.

I am not bashing you, but when I have seen 10 of these post I just have to reply. You are just one in thousands receiving RNG for you game when you play and the RNG does not care of know who it are sending the generated number to.



Zoozie

 

[Mike031]

If you play an RTG, first do small spins 5 times, if you don't see the symbol on the line where it gives you a bonus, move on to another game.

It's not always so, because sometimes you must lose at first something and there comes really nothing about some spins, but sometimes after these losing spins, you'll get very often a bigger win, so you could never know before, what you'll get in the future

I play only RTG Video Slots and i thought also, that i can see a system, but it's certainly nonsense, because you can't see in the future

 

[mikepipe]

Well

From now on....If you play an RTG, first do small spins 5 times, if you don't see the symbol on the line where it gives you a bonus, move on to another game.

This has happened to me several times at different RTG casinos, infact, I went as far as 10 spins without one hive or pirate showing up at all. When I say showing up, I don't mean stopping, I mean it didnt even fly by and wasnt even in the game reel.

Make sure you have a fair play and look out for this glitch or on purpose problem!

Very interesting indeed!

I spent a lot of time "inestigating" the RTG slots.
And i am sure that there are patterns (tried to describe them weeks ago in another thread , dont know the name anymore).


How would you judge the situation at Ronin (has the middle line komoku diappeared? sometimes it seems as if...)

It is a bit different at fruit frenzy, where you need 5 symbols on a payline.

Howsoever:
I never play a single RTG slot more than 5 spins in a row. If its hot, it had enough opportunity to show it - if not: leave it!

Therfore i cannot follow your friednly advice, to start with 5 low spins.
I had my wins in the first 5 - or in the respins..

It actually hapens quite often that i hit a feature on the first or second spin (or never, which is even more frequently).

 

[Zoozie]

I spent a lot of time "investigating" the RTG slots.
And i am sure that there are patterns (tried to describe them weeks ago in another thread , dont know the name anymore).

These discussions seems to pop up again and again, unfortunately. For patterns in games I tried once to give a serious reply in the thread I am linking to. Even with a perfect RNG there will be patterns. Even some patterns you can define before even SEEING the result(I give an example). And the RNG is still working perfect so it is not a contradiction.

Seeing the results and then finding a pattern does not make sense - unless the pattern will emerge every time you repeat the experiment. (A 'global' pattern). And yet even if you find such a patterns, it can ever any useful at all in terms of winning/loosing. You can not beat the house edge, period. Software errors does exist though, but you must talk about software errors then and not the 'cold'/'hot' stuff.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/surely-streaky-is-rigged.14236/?highlight=pattern
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/surely-streaky-is-rigged.14236/?highlight=pattern

(Sorry for being such a party pooper...)

Zoozie

 

[mikepipe]

These discussions seems to pop up again and again, unfortunately. For patterns in games I tried once to give a serious reply in the thread I am linking to. Even with a perfect RNG there will be patterns. Even some patterns you can define before even SEEING the result(I give an example). And the RNG is still working perfect so it is not a contradiction.

Seeing the results and then finding a pattern does not make sense - unless the pattern will emerge every time you repeat the experiment. (A 'global' pattern). And yet even if you find such a patterns, it can ever any useful at all in terms of winning/loosing. You can not beat the house edge, period. Software errors does exist though, but you must talk about software errors then and not the 'cold'/'hot' stuff.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/surely-streaky-is-rigged.14236/?highlight=pattern
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/surely-streaky-is-rigged.14236/?highlight=pattern

(Sorry for being such a party pooper...)

Zoozie

oh - you are not a party pooper.
I simply need some elements of superstition when gambling, and i need only seconds to forget these most rational and smart threads. (as you saw... i had nearly repressed it...).

Yes, this point comes up again and again - its one of the most important or at least fascinating points for slot players.
So, lets discuss this once more, just a little.
Its much better than whining about FOOL CAT s manager, inst it?

 

[babs7262]

You may have misunderstood me

I wasnt posting this out as a "strategy" or how to "beat the system" I'm just pointing out that on certain games the bonus symbol is not present at all and to avoid playing that particular game if you notice that it's not there.

What's the point of playing that game if you know the symbol is missing. I don't have any method or strategy. It's gambling and unless you made the game, I doubt anyone out there can beat the system. I play for entertainment purposes, not to become rich.

I'm just posting because this was something I noticed and wanted to share with the group. Noone has to heed to it. It's just a shame that you can do 10 spins and the symbol (no matter the game) is nowhere to be found. Even in a B&M you see the "spin" symbol on wheel of fortune fly by every spin. You may not get it, but atleast it shows up.

I just don't understand. Sometimes when people share their thoughts to help others out in this forum, it's taken as a "this is how you become rich" or "I found a way to beat the system" thread.

This isnt that. It's just me informing you guys on what I noticed

 

[LaurieJim]

i always wondered why this "new version of lobby ready for install" always appears when i log back on to the casino that i have a good balance on . they said it was a rtg thing but seems funny to me.is this normal and has it happened to anyone else?

 

[Zoozie]

What's the point of playing that game if you know the symbol is missing. I don't have any method or strategy. It's gambling and unless you made the game, I doubt anyone out there can beat the system. I play for entertainment purposes, not to become rich.

The RTG software simulation of the spinning reels has been discussed before, but this is just GUI and should not have any effect on the outcome. But I agree I have also seen wierd stuff in the RTG spinning reels. A test for fairness you be to write down the reels and see if what you see spinning is indeed the reels and furthermore (most important) that all positions on the reels are equally likely to show up. (I did this test with MG software when I made the slot simulator)

Zoozie

 

[Zoozie]

.is this normal and has it happened to anyone else?

Pretty normal. I even once got booted from the casino when I playing a nice bonus on 9/6 JoB VP. (And I was ahead). When I log back on, there is an update and the paytable was changed to 8/5... This was VIP Lounge btw. - I played there before I realized what group they were part up.

Zoozie

 

[LaurieJim]

Pretty normal. I even once got booted from the casino when I playing a nice bonus on 9/6 JoB VP. (And I was ahead). When I log back on, there is an update and the paytable was changed to 8/5... This was VIP Lounge btw. - I played there before I realized what group they were part up.

Zoozie

so can the casino do this at whim or is it just done by rtg itself ? it always happens when im up on my balance or am making a playthru on comps, ect bonuses. laurie

 

[Mike031]

i always wondered why this "new version of lobby ready for install" always appears when i log back on to the casino that i have a good balance on . they said it was a rtg thing but seems funny to me.is this normal and has it happened to anyone else?

I'm sure, that's only a Casino thing and not from RTG directly, because i've seen the same thing at SciFi, but they changed their lobby nearly every hour!
But only two difference lobbies and they always switched between these both lobbies and this was also a fact, why i'll never play there, although i've won there more, as deposited, but what sin does it have, when you can only payout $ 500 in one day?

This rule sucks and it's only for very very low rollers, which maybe play only with $ 10 a day

 

[tencardcharlie]

Being superstitious about gambling is totally cool as long as one is aware that it is only superstition, and nothing else. The problem is that people often believe that those patterns actually can be used to determine when good or bad streaks will occur.

If I make a post that states I usually get luckier when my cat is around, noone will actually believe that that the cat influences the game outcome. However, if I post that I see certain patterns before a winning streak, some people might belive that there is a predictability in the games.

I don't mind if people try to find patterns and develop slot strategies or betting systems as long as it's just for entertainment. I do think it is a good idea to point out that it is just for fun when making posts about it, to prevent people from beliving that the strategies actually works. (and to avoid the endless "does systems work?"- discussions. )

 

[Kaynos72]

I play mostly RTG slots and goldbeard is one of my prefered. I spend lots of money in that one and from my experience, i tend to agree with the original poster.

Just last saturday i made a deposit of 100$ and start playing goldbeard at 1$ a bet. It was awesome, the pirates were coming all the time on the first wheel and maybe 25% on the last, i was winning constantly, i manage to get ahead up to 325$ in 20-25 min. In that period i got the feature maybe 5-6 times.

Since i'm not a huge gambler i decided to play it safe and made a 200$ deposit and keep playing with the 125$. Well guess what happen ? I lost it all.

The pirates that was coming very, very often on the first wheel, completly stop and i mean completly like in once every 25 spins ! Maybe this is just pure coincidence but i really felt something has happened here. How can you explain such a drastic change ?

It's not the first time i notice that, a slot will pay constantly for a while then turn cold and stop paying for a very long time. It's not a coincidence, their must be something inside the program that look at how it pays and trigger something that makes it pay, then once the slot has paid xxx amount in xxx time, it's turned off and the slot stop paying.

 

[Simmo!]

On average the slots are extremely cold with a payout of 95%.

And don't forget that also takes into account the Random Jackpot, so in actual fact they are probably a fair bit less than 95% without hitting one of those.

 

[Mike031]

a slot will pay constantly for a while then turn cold and stop paying for a very long time.

That's correct, because it's at most after a bonus round (free spins) and after that you get at most nothing, so it's time to change this slot directly, after maybe 5-10 spins, because sometimes you'll get directly after free spns the same one again, or a big win, but it's certainly not always so, but it happens to me not so rarly

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well, if you get a "lobby update" and find your J or B suddenly has a worse paytable, that isn't "superstition", it's the casino up to something. RTG lobbies DO seem to have an awful lot of "updates", yet seemingly nothing changes. It supports accusations made earlier that RTG casinos can and do change the odds for a particular player, either to put them off their stride, or increase the house edge on a game they are doing particularly well at.
Now we are meant to believe the non-appearance of, say, pirates on reel one, is no indication the slot is "mean". This is BS, if it were just the GUI it would ALWAYS show the same things, and these would not relate to the reel stops. if it chages between showing many "pirates" and none, then it is reacting to something - and then there is the case of those two triggers on raindance, followed by the slot freezing, and the bet being voided and the slot effectively resetting.
This is RTG, and I do not have a problem believing that SOME operators are resorting to "dirty tricks", and some ex employees have admitted that some of these so called "errors" really are the casino messing with the player's accounts in real time with on the fly changes when they are winning "too much". Mud sticks, so even with reputable RTG's where such interference is highly improbable, we can easily think it is still happening, rather than accept it is down to the internet, GUI, etc.

 

[SlotsWizard]

Well, if you get a "lobby update" and find your J or B suddenly has a worse paytable, that isn't "superstition", it's the casino up to something. RTG lobbies DO seem to have an awful lot of "updates", yet seemingly nothing changes. It supports accusations made earlier that RTG casinos can and do change the odds for a particular player, either to put them off their stride, or increase the house edge on a game they are doing particularly well at.
Now we are meant to believe the non-appearance of, say, pirates on reel one, is no indication the slot is "mean". This is BS, if it were just the GUI it would ALWAYS show the same things, and these would not relate to the reel stops. if it chages between showing many "pirates" and none, then it is reacting to something - and then there is the case of those two triggers on raindance, followed by the slot freezing, and the bet being voided and the slot effectively resetting.
This is RTG, and I do not have a problem believing that SOME operators are resorting to "dirty tricks", and some ex employees have admitted that some of these so called "errors" really are the casino messing with the player's accounts in real time with on the fly changes when they are winning "too much". Mud sticks, so even with reputable RTG's where such interference is highly improbable, we can easily think it is still happening, rather than accept it is down to the internet, GUI, etc.

As you may have noticed in some of my recent posts, I have been hanging on to the hope that big-name software brands wouldn't stoop this low. But I gotta say, my most recent RTG session sure felt like 'rigged' like this.

I deposited $100 and was playing Ronin, got a good feature and worked it up to a little over $400 and then played something else (Roulette, I think) and got up to $500. And that's where the decline began. It didn't matter what game I played, I could do nothing but lose. It 'felt' like the server/RNG/whatever was accepting my bets and making sure that it provided an adverse result. I basically blew the bulk of it at Baccarat. Did you see my post in the Suck thread? The history view only shows the most recent 22 hands, but the entire history trail (which I unfortunately don't have a screenshot of) looked much the same. I didn't play much more than about 50 hands anyway (how could I with that kind of 'luck'?). I bet on the banker the majority of the time, and only bet on the player 2 or 3 times. Here's what the Baccarat in real money mode looked like (after having won $400 from Ronin & Roulette):

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After busting out, I logged on in "Fun" mode and played 22 hands - no more, no less, again, betting only on the banker. Here's what that looked like:

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Obviously these are very tiny samples, so make of it what you will.

 

[lojo]

My observations of Goldbeard have shown me this: You will almost never get a pirate on the first reel if there is now a ship on the first reel. Why?

I do not believe that the first reel is randomly generated. It is just a very long real. It will go through about five 'screens' of symbols each spin for awhile and then it will 'reset'. How it resets is to spin longer, this may be 9 'screens' or 10, or 11.
Also, it seems the first reel is occasionally changed or swapped with another reel.

In thousands of recorded spins only once has the pirate apeared on reel one when the ship was there before the spin. Your mileage may vary

 

[KasinoKing]

From another thread:-

Also - I think I figured out the Goldbeard mystery.
It's hard to catch, but I think as soon as you click Spin (and the next reel stop is determined), the reel "jumps" ahead to where it needs to be so that it will land on the predetermined position after 1 ~ 1.5 second(s).
I watched it very carefully when I was playing my 50 spins on it, and I saw Goldbeard go by WAY too many times very close to where he had stopped.
The only way that would be possible is if there were a whole bunch of 20 - 30 Goldbeard symbols clumped together, which there are NOT.
So I think the reels probably ARE set up like Microgaming's, but because they spin much slower, they start out in the position that they last stopped in and then very quickly "jump" ahead - you will probably see what I mean if you try it out.
Right after the reel picks up steam, it looks like there is a very quick switch that occurs.
That would explain why you could go 15-20 spins without seeing Goldbeard, and why I saw him way more often than I would have if it spun 100% linearly.
Also, if it didn't "jump" like this, then it appears that the first reel only moves a few symbols on each spin, which can't be the case because then that would mean that it weren't random.

That is EXACTLY my theory on RTG slots, and I was going to post the same thing - so thanks again for saving me lots of typing! :notworthy

I have always maintained that I can see the spinning reels at RTG & always know before they stop whether I definitely WON'T get the feature.
After getting the first 1 or 2 symbols you need, if you see the feature symbol go past on the next reel you know 100% you will not hit it.

This is particularly easy to see on Goldbeard due to the 3 triggering symbols being together.
After reel 4 has stopped, you need the Pirates to have already just gone past to have any chance of hitting. If you see them while the reel is still spinning you are simple not going to hit it.

I actually find this a bit annoying (like in the 'old days' of RTG when Cleopatra did a 'little skip' right at the beginning of a feature-hitting spin), because it takes away the element of surprise.
So what I do now when I just need one more symbol for the feature, is close my eyes or look away from the screen & just prey to hear bells!

 

[Mike031]

(like in the 'old days' of RTG when Cleopatra did a 'little skip' right at the beginning of a feature-hitting spin), because it takes away the element of surprise.

The same happens always on Aladdin's Wishes, but there you can see it even much better, because always, when the 3rd reel starts to move and you can se directly a lamp, you get very sure a bonus feature, so you can say it to 98% before, if you can get one, or not

 

[SlotsWizard]

Another one is Outta This World - and this only works on your first feature since you opened the game (to "reset" you would need to go back to the lobby and then enter the game again) -

You know you are going to get the feature when the first reel stops spinning and it immediately starts playing the "you got 2 or more scatters" sound (the same sound they used in Achilles when he substitutes in a winning combination). As soon as that sound starts playing, then you hear the first "nuh!" orchestra-hit when the 2nd reel stops, 3rd reel doesn't matter, and the 4th reel starts going slower until it finally stops revealing another scatter.

But, after you have already gotten the feature, you have to leave the game and come back in order for it to work like this again, otherwise, it will function the way it's supposed to (no give-away sound even when you do get the feature).

 

[cynthial]

I too have noticed that on Out of This World. And the Robin Hood one (I forget the name) always has a screen jump prior to the first wheel stop, and I know it will be a bonus round. I don't even bother looking for a bonus when the bullseye target lands on reels 1 and 2 unless the screen jumped prior to reel one stopping. I have found this to be the same across every RTG I have ever played at. I use to find it annoying but am so accustomed to it now that it seems normal.

 

[Mike031]

I have found this to be the same across every RTG I have ever played at..

It's even on the most RTG Video Slots.
The same on "Crystal Waters", or the best example is "Enchanted Garden", where you get always the bonus round, when you can see on reel 5 directly the Princess, because then the reel stops also on exactly this one
But as KK has told, Cleopatra's Gold is the very best example for this, because if reel 1 & 2 are both Pyramids, i can tell you always wheter the Pyramid come on reel 3, 4 or 5, at the same moment, as the reel starts spinning.

 

[SlotsWizard]

So what I do now when I just need one more symbol for the feature, is close my eyes or look away from the screen & just prey to hear bells!

I generally do one or more of the same things. Another thing I sometimes do - which you should only do when you are alone, otherwise they'd haul you off to the loony bin - is make a fist out of my hand and extend my arm in front of me, blocking my view of the reels. If I hear the ding-ding-ding-ding-ding then I quickly pull my arm back inwards while uttering "Yesss!!!", and if it does not hit, then I extend my arm a few inches more and punch the monitor ... especially if it's the 10th false alarm in the last 11 spins.

Or lately what I have been doing is switching to a different window (usually the Casinomeister forum ) while the reels finish spinning, and listening for the ding-ding-ding-ding-ding. Especially with Enchanted Garden - as soon as the scatter appears on the first reel I get the hell outta there and switch to another window while reels 2-4 are still spinning, otherwise I will know early on whether or not I am going to get the feature (just like with Goldbeard, that cheap bastard).

NOTE: No monitors were harmed during the making of this post.