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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Nifty29, Apr 8, 2009.

    Apr 8, 2009
  1. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Just received this $25 ND offer from Windows Casino who had even gone to the trouble of creating an account for me (grrrr thats annoying).

    Anyway here are the terms...can YOU spot where the bulls*it starts??

    These terms are so full of c*ap I can almost see the steam rising off the words.
     
  2. Apr 8, 2009
  3. DemonUK

    DemonUK Senior Member PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Software
    Location:
    Warrington, UK
    Just smile, wave and tell them to have a nice day as you trash the email:D
     
  4. Apr 8, 2009
  5. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Yes well it was actually a snail mail which was even more annoying. :mad:
     
  6. Apr 8, 2009
  7. Paul@JetCasino

    Paul@JetCasino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Casino Manager
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    So you get $25 free, you win $125, you deposit $50, wager $100 and withdraw. Your minimum profit should be $25 :)
     
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  8. Apr 8, 2009
  9. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    OK here is my problem with this promo.

    It states:

    but then states:



    So first it says you have to complete the bonus requirements, and then it says you dont have to - in fact, when they say 'the bonus' it isnt clear whether they mean the $25 or the 1st deposit bonus. You could ASSUME they mean the deposit bonus, but it isnt 100% clear. i.e. do they mean 'play without the $25 bonus' or 'play without the 100% bonus'..??


    ALSO, what happens if you reach the 25x wagering for the $25 bonus and you have a balance of $1000, and you then make your $50 deposit and go down to $500 and then back up to $1500? Will they then say you can only withdraw $125 + $50, considering you used the $1000 you won from the previous bonus to win the extra $500?? The bonus is for PLAY purposes as well so you would actually have to withdraw $150.

    Add to that the 4 business days for withdrawal and all the ID stuff and even IF you win $25 its hardly worth it.

    It is also interesting to note that many playtech casinos wont remove automatic bonuses on an ad-hoc basis. You either accept bonuses on your account from the get-go or you dont, so not accepting the 1st deposit bonus may well retrospectively exclude you from the $25 ND.

    Anyway, the fact that I could write all this about what is supposed to be a FREE NO DEPOSIT bonus shows that it is indeed a crock of protein submarines.

    I personally think its unreasonable to expect a deposit from a player to who you have given a NO DEPOSIT bonus with a MAX CASHOUT. Its fair enough to require ID etc, but not a deposit.
     
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  10. Apr 8, 2009
  11. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    ** UPDATE **

    After scrolling RIGHT to the bottom of the promos page I found the terms for the 'special letter bonus' which is what I received, and the terms are different...WORSE!




    Geez what a load of nonsense. You actually CANT opt out of the 1st deposit bonus in this case (200% with 25xD+B).

    Its also interesting when you read these terms:




    So if you win your $125, you cant withdraw it because you wont be able to deposit your $50 and get your bonus (which you HAVE to according to the terms), but you cant get a bonus if your balance is greater than $2

    Why would anyone bother??????



    and then
     
  12. Apr 8, 2009
  13. Paul@JetCasino

    Paul@JetCasino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Casino Manager
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    As much as I would love to comment on the above, I don't think it would be professional too, so I'm afraid I can't!

    All's I will say is that I don't set people to 'No Offers' just because they choose to opt out of 1 promotion. Promotions are there to make playing more exciting and give you something to play towards, not to penalise people.
     
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  14. Apr 8, 2009
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    I agree with you totally but a promo such as this one from Windows just makes the heart beat faster - for all the wrong reasons though.
     
  16. Apr 8, 2009
  17. sweiger

    sweiger Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    IT consultant (IBM Mainframe)
    Location:
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    These kind of promotions does exactly that IMO: PENALIZE the player.
    And it's typical playtech casino terms: unclear, confusing, lots of "what if's" -half-hearted, so the casino can hold themselves free from their obligations at will, because they can interpret their terms as they want.

    [Thread derail]
    Many PT casinos are also notorious for sending multiple "offers" that interact with each other date-wise, so you never know what bonus you get until AFTER you deposit.[/Thread derail]

    Well, having said that, PT is certainly not the only casinos with bad/unclear terms. A certain "accredited" RTG has been the subject of this here more than once.
     
  18. Apr 9, 2009
  19. grazza7777

    grazza7777 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    CERAMIC TILER
    Location:
    AUSTRALIA
    weather it be playtech or RTG, they r 97% crooks, stck to microgaming and rival and save your self some greif, from 1 aussie to another, i feel for you m8...grazza7777:thumbsup::thumbsup::lolup::lolup:
     
  20. Apr 9, 2009
  21. alexbuzz

    alexbuzz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    online casino guy
    Location:
    London
    more than few CM accredited RTG casinos on the site, mate; think it's hard to brush all operators due to their software platform choice which is made by a number of factor (but especially commission back to the operator!).

    Not in windows defense, but let me tell you that coming up with compelling promotions that get players excited and give them a real shot at winning and yet don't break the bank is a tough job.

    Feel free to ping me with any suggestions (other than change platforms, cheers) for what you think are cool and fun promos and if we run it you'll be duly rewarded (in so far as I can given CM rules).
     
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  22. Apr 9, 2009
  23. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    I agree with Alex that we shouldnt treat all RTG casinos as one. In fact, over the past year more than half a dozen great RTG casinos have arrived on the scene. I hope that they will get a greater market share and boot the scums out so that no more players will get screwed by them. Ever since the safebet era RTG casinos are considered to be mostly rogue. I hope this changes as some of their games especially the slots seem to have better themes than the MG clones. The payouts though, are sometimes quite low but that's gambling I guess.
     
  24. Apr 10, 2009
  25. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    service
    Location:
    US of A
    Why must a promotion have a zillion ways to deprive you of any winnings?

    Why must you have to contact a lawyer to sort out the meaning of T's and C's.

    I am amazed we haven't seen in small print " we reserve the right to not pay you anytime we feel like it"

    If you speak badly of some casino's in a forum they can confiscate your money. I have seen these terms posted here lately!

    The most important thing is, why do people keep giving the jack ass casino's money?
     
  26. Apr 10, 2009
  27. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Playtech also seem to think us Brits are better at SLOTS. Surely they are EFFING RANDOM, or are we missing something:mad:

    I also have yet ANOTHER letter from these Jokers at Windows, with account number and password, and free 25. This only adds to the confusion, since I already had an account created through membership of Wager Junction RTG casinos, took the 25, and then played a bit. Then, they went all "Brit hating" on me, so they got uninstalled. I reinstalled once more for another free 25, and lost it, and now have yet another. This is a complete waste of effort. They have wasted a stamp on an offer that isn't going to get them any further than perhaps me playing out the 25 in an idle moment. The required deposit is presumably to prevent players winning by serially playing the free 25 chips but never depositing, HOWEVER, as soon as you deposit the 50, you might as well kiss goodbye your winnings from the free 25 AND YOUR 50 DEPOSIT (this is the cunning part of the offer, and is nothing short of trickery).

    Marketing the offer as they do is a breach of the law here in the UK, since they use the word "free", yet a PURCHASE is MANDATORY to BENEFIT (by winning & withdrawing) from what is offered as "free".
     

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