What's Wrong With This 3Dice Screenshot?

[denamoutz]

same here ZM, it won't be me in red either

 

[Nate]

all i know is that some people are winning at 3dice. I have chat open all the time, and i see a lot of red, it may not be you or me but there are people winning. I always see a lot of red for the tut slot.

Red does mean that someone has won in real. This is a very 'clever' marketing tactic by 3dice.

Why? - Lets say i have a start balance of $2000. I play max bet at $5 a spin on Tut. I get the feature when my balance is $1100. Whatever i win over $120 (I stand to be corrected) will display in red in chat.

Now alot of happy chatters are under the impression somebody has 'Won', when in fact i just received $167 in the FS and my balance is now $1267...

Everyone would congratulate the winner, when in actual fact, he has won squat.

It often happened when i played Max bet on Payola ($15) and it snaps up $800 to give the FS and pays bet x 10... That will be displayed in chat as $150 win.. Far from a Win actually...

Don't be fooled... Looks can be deceiving

 

[ergopro]

Picking a casino based on your luck is like picking a wedding partner based on the amount of premarital sex you've had .. you're pretty sure it'll change

I'm honestly glad girls aren't as picky as your slots...and before you all crucify me, I said that with a tongue in my cheek...
Well, maybe it's like you hit a really good one and then you're married for life...at least with 3dice slots

Editor's note to self: Closed my account over a year ago...

 

[X-Raided]

Red does mean that someone has won in real. This is a very 'clever' marketing tactic by 3dice.
It often happened when i played Max bet on Payola ($15) and it snaps up $800 to give the FS and pays bet x 10... That will be displayed in chat as $150 win.. Far from a Win actually...

Don't be fooled... Looks can be deceiving

Thank you Nate, You're spot on as usual.

Once, I deposited $300 and got down to $55 on Super Suits. I got
the bonus feature and won $102. I took a break, looked in the
chat and it said in red, "Someone won $102 playing Super Suits".
Then all the chatters began congratulating that "someone" like I
won the lotto.

I got to give credit to 3Dice though, anyone participating
in their chat that sees that would make the average
gambler want to deposit and try their luck on the slot that spit out
the win displayed.

All in all, 3Dice has potential. I just wish that,
1.)They would add more slots.
2.)Enzo would hire a mathematician to balance out
the wins and losses for the player. Making it a better experience
with whomever deposits there.

 

[BMWSTACK]

Hi Blacklabrador,

Could I ask why you are so negative towards 3Dice ? I'd really like to know what is causing this issue. Surely you are not serious when you say its based on your experience - and if you are - are you basing it on the entire 3 weeks or are you excluding the first 10 days when you were over 100% ?

Casino's don't get to pick the winners - we cant guarantee good luck - we can guarantee a lot of other things, but alas we can't guarantee you'll win.

Picking a casino based on your luck is like picking a wedding partner based on the amount of premarital sex you've had .. you're pretty sure it'll change

You don't get to pick when you'll be lucky - but you do get to pick where.

Kindest regards,

Enzo

Come on Labador, I am watching this thread to see your response. Where are you? Im very curious why you are so mad at 3 dice. I remember when you started at 3 dice you got the top feature on Fortune Falls within a few hours. I remember this becasue i monitor chat as I play real, and remember you on chat saying how great it was to get a match bonus and how helpful everyone was. When you hit that Fortune Falls right away I was pissed because it probably took me a month of playing that game to get the top feature.

 

[X-Raided]

Come on Labador, I am watching this thread to see your response. Where are you? Im very curious why you are so mad at 3 dice. I remember when you started at 3 dice you got the top feature on Fortune Falls within a few hours. I remember this becasue i monitor chat as I play real, and remember you on chat saying how great it was to get a match bonus and how helpful everyone was. When you hit that Fortune Falls right away I was pissed because it probably took me a month of playing that game to get the top feature.

Which add to the presumptions that newbies get good wins to
get them hooked onto 3Dice and try to chase the same win for
however long they can afford to. Until they end up here griping
about the tightness of the slot games. Others hiring Auditors
to unmask the intricacies of their blackjack fairness. Nash.

 

[blacklabrador]

Come on Labador, I am watching this thread to see your response. Where are you? Im very curious why you are so mad at 3 dice. I remember when you started at 3 dice you got the top feature on Fortune Falls within a few hours. I remember this becasue i monitor chat as I play real, and remember you on chat saying how great it was to get a match bonus and how helpful everyone was. When you hit that Fortune Falls right away I was pissed because it probably took me a month of playing that game to get the top feature.

Sorry I have been absent, I own a home improvement business and things are booming here at years end because of the tax credit on windows, little overwhelming but not complaining I indeed did say how great the customer service was and how nice Enzo was giving me a 100% match on my initial deposit.

My problem with 3dice is that in my 37 years on this planet , I never played on an online casino and didnt have an oppurtunity to withdraw a couple hundred bucks at least on 25 straight deposits. I won a measly 600 bucks the 1st time and approx 24 times after that, I never get my balance above $250 on $50-$100 deposits? That was a huge red flag for me and since deleted 3dice, the payouts are just not near what they are on Microgaming casinos. RTG is garbage nowadays as well.

I don't know, maybe it was just a HORRIBLE run of picking the wrong slots to play, maybe I should give it another chance. A few people on here seem to really enjoy the casino but I dont enjoy losing every single deposit i make into a casino with minimal playback. If that makes me sound like a jerk on here as the one previous poster stated, then I guess I'm a jerk.

 

[Nate]

Which add to the presumptions that newbies get good wins to
get them hooked onto 3Dice and try to chase the same win for
however long they can afford to. Until they end up here griping
about the tightness of the slot games. Others hiring Auditors
to unmask the intricacies of their blackjack fairness. Nash.

I have seen a few posts concerning this. I am not one to speculate BUT, 3dice receives a lot of attention here.

I stand to be corrected, but 3dice commands the most threads as an individual casino with regards to poor returns. Is it not funny to anyone that (like others have mentioned today in the Winners Screenshots) that the Wins pop up furiously as soon as a thread is active concerning poor returns? You can put it down to coincidence, but if it happens more often than not, you be the Judge

Had a small peep at my Stats for a 5-6month period... almost $ 18 000 in deposits. the highest balance i was EVER on is $4100 *Which BTW was sucked up with a run of 700 spins without the feature on Supersuites and then the rest of the Slots ate like they were from Ethiopia*. My highest and ONLY Decent Profitable withdrawal was 2k off a 1k deposit at 3dice

My first try at Highnoon, I hit over 8k on Mystic Dragon... First try on LOTR I hit over 10k... i was able to convert my first comp of 250 to over 6k on RIVAL ... Ive deposited MUCH MUCH less at RTG, MG and Rival and it was easier to win...

Now having over 150 000 spins with wagering probably close to a quarter million in 5-6 months and a decent win still eludes me? With all the deposits and comps, should i feel that I am not getting a FAIR return? It's actually sick to be honest... no 3dice bashing here... Stating the FACTS!

P.S - Enzo often puts it down to lady luck... She's visited me on various occassions at all other software providers, BESIDES 3DICE ... Makes me wonder if it has anything to do with her at all?

Nate

 

[blacklabrador]

I have seen a few posts concerning this. I am not one to speculate BUT, 3dice receives a lot of attention here.

I stand to be corrected, but 3dice commands the most threads as an individual casino with regards to poor returns. Is it not funny to anyone that (like others have mentioned today in the Winners Screenshots) that the Wins pop up furiously as soon as a thread is active concerning poor returns? You can put it down to coincidence, but if it happens more often than not, you be the Judge

Had a small peep at my Stats for a 5-6month period... almost $ 18 000 in deposits. the highest balance i was EVER on is $4100 *Which BTW was sucked up with a run of 700 spins without the feature on Supersuites and then the rest of the Slots ate like they were from Ethiopia*. My highest and ONLY Decent Profitable withdrawal was 2k off a 1k deposit at 3dice

My first try at Highnoon, I hit over 8k on Mystic Dragon... First try on LOTR I hit over 10k... i was able to convert my first comp of 250 to over 6k on RIVAL ... Ive deposited MUCH MUCH less at RTG, MG and Rival and it was easier to win...

Now having over 150 000 spins with wagering probably close to a quarter million in 5-6 months and a decent win still eludes me? With all the deposits and comps, should i feel that I am not getting a FAIR return? It's actually sick to be honest... no 3dice bashing here... Stating the FACTS!

P.S - Enzo often puts it down to lady luck... She's visited me on various occassions at all other software providers, BESIDES 3DICE ... Makes me wonder if it has anything to do with her at all?

Nate

I hear ya Nate. I actually decided to give 3dice a few more shots, I deposited $70 yesterday and ran through it like water playing for .50 a spin mostly. I will try a few more time, I guess, but I know I am just asking for a beating Your statement about your biggest cashout being 2k after depositing 1k is rather disturbing. That is something else, u mean to tell me out of all that 18 k in deposits you didnt get lucky ONCE? Do you still play there?

 

[Nate]

I hear ya Nate. I actually decided to give 3dice a few more shots, I deposited $70 yesterday and ran through it like water playing for .50 a spin mostly. I will try a few more time, I guess, but I know I am just asking for a beating Your statement about your biggest cashout being 2k after depositing 1k is rather disturbing. That is something else, u mean to tell me out of all that 18 k in deposits you didnt get lucky ONCE? Do you still play there?

Yes I do, but i will not deposit like i used to. I had numerous conversations with Enzo and he put everything down to 'Very Bad Luck' so I stuck with them to play out my loyalty and make the occassional small deposit. I had faith (although very little) that it would eventually turn. As a gambler - you are used to bad luck turning around... its inevitable.

I did get lucky twice... The very first day i joined i turned a $100 Deposit into almost $1800 ... i didnt cash out... i was enjoying it too much... Then next time was the $4100 (after heavy losses) which i took to supersuites at a bet of $4.50 and after 700 or more spins, i didn't get the FS once... I left the slot and lost on everything else in no time. And then... i became VERY unlucky all of a sudden. Everything ..loyalty, comps, match bonuses, deposits, tourney wins were just sucked from my balance every subsequent deposit. Playing high, medium and low wagers didnt help....

I LOVE their games, but its truly been a really rough and bad experience thus far for me...

Nate

 

[blacklabrador]

The sad thing is is that if they would loosen up their slots and not be so greedy, they could be one of the top casinos online because of the unique games and great customer service.

 

[X-Raided]

Had a small peep at my Stats for a 5-6month period... almost $ 18 000 in deposits.
My first try at Highnoon, I hit over 8k on Mystic Dragon... First try on LOTR I hit over 10k... i was able to convert my first comp of 250 to over 6k on RIVAL ... Ive deposited MUCH MUCH less at RTG, MG and Rival and it was easier to win...Nate

No offense Nate, I respect everything you post because
it's genuine, but dude. 18K? You should of took a gamble
opening up a small bakery shop specializing in cupcakes
and hoped you double your investment within 5-6 months.

Instead you helped Enzo pay off his Ferrari.

 

[Tengil]

Which add to the presumptions that newbies get good wins to
get them hooked onto 3Dice and try to chase the same win for
however long they can afford to. Until they end up here griping
about the tightness of the slot games. Others hiring Auditors
to unmask the intricacies of their blackjack fairness. Nash.

Well I lost close to 2k before being able to withdraw and Im pretty sure Im not alone. Just because some have won at the beginning and not after that is nothing odd. Playing games with high HE and high volatility (probably up to 10 SDs on some games) can give "abnormal" results.

And the audit that Nash had performed was flawed.

To date I havent seen any 3Dice stats posted that would show anything wrong. I have over 500k spins at MG with an RTP of a bit under 91% for the past few years and even worse for RTG and to date havent seen anyones 3Dice stats being worse than those.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nate: I stand to be corrected, but 3dice commands the most threads as an individual casino with regards to poor returns. Is it not funny to anyone that (like others have mentioned today in the Winners Screenshots) that the Wins pop up furiously as soon as a thread is active concerning poor returns? You can put it down to coincidence, but if it happens more often than not, you be the Judge

All those screenies are just average wins at any other casino exceptl for 3Dice...no earth shattering ones as there are at other platforms sprinkled in. The RTG win was a very nice one and the one classymom caught was too...but 3Dice...just basic wins that should be a normal bonus round win but they seem to think these are the "great" wins and we should be satisfied...you can get 50-200x your bet most anywhere....as a regular bonus round...not at 3Dice...it is 1x-10x your bet on average, no wonder many think that they hit the jackpot on a basic bonus round at 3Dice that other casinos give freely as the norm..

funeral979: Been having a nice week at 3Dice (I think it helped having my account closed for 2 weeks) Payola was fun....got a total of 237 spins (78 + 78 + 33 + 16 + 16 + 16), took almost half an hour to play out. Thats what I call extended playtime!

I am amazed that anyone is satisfied with this. Betting 80 cents and win $124.08 on this many spins is truly a slap in the face IMO. Do the math...I believe 3Dice has a sick sense of humor....this many spins should have resulted in the hundreds if not close to a thousand in returns...Rival, as bad as they are beats this hands down in all areas on a 80 cent bet...

Yes, the screenshots are rolling in as usual after the complaints, but wait till the spigot is turned off again...we will be inundated with massive complaints by the same ones putting up screenshots.....and I am wondering... are they old screenshots or new ones?? Interesting to think about this...

Nate: I did get lucky twice... The very first day i joined i turned a $100 Deposit into almost $1800 ... i didnt cash out... i was enjoying it too much

This is exactly what I have said. We all do it. Nothing new. So why is this casino the only one not as balanced as others that we do this at regularly at and cannot at 3Dice?. We all enjoy a good session...we all blow back our wins becasue we are having FUN...I guess 3Dice still doesn't "get it".

To date I havent seen any 3Dice stats posted that would show anything wrong. I have over 500k spins at MG with an RTP of a bit under 91% for the past few years and even worse for RTG and to date havent seen anyones 3Dice stats being worse than those.

For the month of October at over 41 deposits averaging $55+/- plus a few free chips thrown in.

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Game Bets Average Bets Percentage

CoralClams 1036 1.31$ 82.05%
BlackJack_Classic 52 9.00$ 86.43%
MoolahLight 721 1.63$ 66.63%
FortuneFalls 235 1.52$ 52.46%
Payola 102 1.20$ 63.48%
WildWaves 441 1.20$ 62.09%
SuperSuitsPlus 92 2.00$ 56.26%
SquirrelPike 113 1.56$ 134.29%
Poker_new Dble Jackpot 15 2.67$ 50.00%
StickShifter 53 1.36$ 29.96%
Percentage 73.12%
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[just play]

No offense Nate, I respect everything you post because
it's genuine, but dude. 18K? You should of took a gamble
opening up a small bakery shop specializing in cupcakes
and hoped you double your investment within 5-6 months.

Instead you helped Enzo pay off his Ferrari.

He probably has a few Ferraris, parked in his 10 car garage off the mansion.

 

[Nate]

No offense Nate, I respect everything you post because
it's genuine, but dude. 18K? You should of took a gamble
opening up a small bakery shop specializing in cupcakes
and hoped you double your investment within 5-6 months.

Instead you helped Enzo pay off his Ferrari.

... True... I was stupid, hoping for a change in fortune... It may still come, but it WILL Cost another small fortune. I am NOT a Big depositor compared to other players...BUT for me i felt that with that much played / wagered i should have had better results...

Well I lost close to 2k before being able to withdraw and Im pretty sure Im not alone. Just because some have won at the beginning and not after that is nothing odd. Playing games with high HE and high volatility (probably up to 10 SDs on some games) can give "abnormal" results.

And the audit that Nash had performed was flawed.

To date I havent seen any 3Dice stats posted that would show anything wrong. I have over 500k spins at MG with an RTP of a bit under 91% for the past few years and even worse for RTG and to date havent seen anyones 3Dice stats being worse than those.

True Spiderzlegz... however, that RTP at MG / RTG may have had a few big cashouts inbetween. The difference here is my RTP is based on the return i get trying to get over my start balance. Its perfectly normal at 3dice to have an RTP within expectation and never peak above your start balance... thats the issue!

All those screenies are just average wins at any other casino exceptl for 3Dice...no earth shattering ones as there are at other platforms sprinkled in. The RTG win was a very nice one and the one classymom caught was too...but 3Dice...just basic wins that should be a normal bonus round win but they seem to think these are the "great" wins and we should be satisfied...you can get 50-200x your bet most anywhere....as a regular bonus round...not at 3Dice...it is 1x-10x your bet on average, no wonder many think that they hit the jackpot on a basic bonus round at 3Dice that other casinos give freely as the norm..

I am amazed that anyone is satisfied with this. Betting 80 cents and win $124.08 on this many spins is truly a slap in the face IMO. Do the math...I believe 3Dice has a sick sense of humor....this many spins should have resulted in the hundreds if not close to a thousand in returns...Rival, as bad as they are beats this hands down in all areas on a 80 cent bet...

Yes, the screenshots are rolling in as usual after the complaints, but wait till the spigot is turned off again...we will be inundated with massive complaints by the same ones putting up screenshots.....and I am wondering... are they old screenshots or new ones?? Interesting to think about this...
This is exactly what I have said. We all do it. Nothing new. So why is this casino the only one not as balanced as others that we do this at regularly at and cannot at 3Dice?. We all enjoy a good session...we all blow back our wins becasue we are having FUN...I guess 3Dice still doesn't "get it".

.

Payola is a fantastic game... with utterly poor returns. I played it yesterday (low rolled) - 60c spins. I got the feature about 10 times - 1 retrig and i swear my biggest win was not above 15x bet ... I repeatedly got 2x, 3x and less than 10x returns... I had a look at the Zetigeist and Payola has Nothing in the region of Bet x 1000 for its life period? Last big hit was bet x677 in April 2009. ALL the top Hits between x450 and x677 happened in 2008/2009. Seems the slot pays bet x 200 odd every 5-10 days according to Zeitgeist's latest stats...

Ah well...

Nate

 

[silcnlayc]

.. I had a look at the Zetigeist and Payola has Nothing in the region of Bet x 1000 for its life period? Last big hit was bet x677 in April 2009. ALL the top Hits between x450 and x677 happened in 2008/2009. Seems the slot pays bet x 200 odd every 5-10 days according to Zeitgeist's latest stats...

Ah well...

Nate

I too checked out the funny little mans stats (Zetigeist) and wasn't surprised to see how few wins over 1000x bet ...it has dropped tremendously from when I first joine 3 years ago...at that time, you used to see NUMEROUS wins with wins over that...so...what has changed to make them give such poor returns? I, as a casino, would NOT brag on stats such as those in that wins section...because they really are not impressive at all....just basic wins as I said before....at any other casino..

.

 

[Tengil]

True Spiderzlegz... however, that RTP at MG / RTG may have had a few big cashouts inbetween. The difference here is my RTP is based on the return i get trying to get over my start balance. Its perfectly normal at 3dice to have an RTP within expectation and never peak above your start balance... thats the issue!

Nate

At RTG one cashout (1k) and a few at MG (well under 1k). They didnt cover my losses for the particular week when I did cashout.

Only "luck" was that the betsizes were low, average 75c at RTG and 1€ at MG.

Didnt do much better at 3Dice either, a bit over 91%. Was on a pretty rough downswing when I stopped playing there.
Im the master of running bad.

 

[Nate]

Was on a pretty rough downswing when I stopped playing there.
Im the master of running bad.

... LOL .. Trust me, you are not alone

 

[katodog]

I play exclusively at 3dice. However I must say my biggest gripe is that the games have potential to be great games except for the fact that most of them have what I call a low Big Hit Potential (BHP).Another name for low variance i suppose.

This would include games such as Slotronomicon (sp), Payola, Aztec, Coral Clams, and some others. Those games for the most part are extremely diificult to get a nice satisfying win on. That is why I stick to Tut, Happy Valley and Supersuits for the most part.

I only dream of the possibilty that their other games had as many ways to win big like on Tut. Then I would certainly enjoy those games. That is what I mean by having potential to be great games. They look great on the outside and are well designed to a point but fall short in the "exciting" deptartment .I am looking for games that are exciting to play such as Tut and Happy Valley etc...

 

[funeral979]

@silc

Those are some really awful stats for that many deposits. I would be livid!

 

[funeral979]

Just as a point of comparison, I went and dug of some stats of mine from 3Dice. These are lifetime stats up until August I think. I was really amazed that I had done so well.

 

[nisosbar]

Sorry I have been absent, I own a home improvement business and things are booming here at years end because of the tax credit on windows, little overwhelming but not complaining I indeed did say how great the customer service was and how nice Enzo was giving me a 100% match on my initial deposit.

My problem with 3dice is that in my 37 years on this planet , I never played on an online casino and didnt have an oppurtunity to withdraw a couple hundred bucks at least on 25 straight deposits. I won a measly 600 bucks the 1st time and approx 24 times after that, I never get my balance above $250 on $50-$100 deposits? That was a huge red flag for me and since deleted 3dice, the payouts are just not near what they are on Microgaming casinos. RTG is garbage nowadays as well.

I don't know, maybe it was just a HORRIBLE run of picking the wrong slots to play, maybe I should give it another chance. A few people on here seem to really enjoy the casino but I dont enjoy losing every single deposit i make into a casino with minimal playback. If that makes me sound like a jerk on here as the one previous poster stated, then I guess I'm a jerk.

I honestly think there is nothing you've posted in this thread that can be seen as unfair, and I agree with your prior post that customer service is outstanding, the games are fun AND it also happens that the slots are too tight, no question about that.

I haven't deposited in a while now, not because I have sworn them off, but rather because it's more difficult to deposit with them now if you are from the USA. But even if this obstacle weren't there, I don't think they would be my primary casino, since as you say, numerous deposits without any significant cash out is simply a bore.