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what's up with Mega Moolah?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Fleur-De-Lis, Sep 16, 2008.

    Sep 16, 2008
  1. Fleur-De-Lis

    Fleur-De-Lis Senior Member MM

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    I just logged in to play and noticed that even MINI jackpot (which is usually around 9-10 bucks) is up to 480$... Same for Minor and Major JPs - they are HUGE. Does it mean that nobody won RJ for loooong time? Is it normal?..
     
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  2. Sep 16, 2008
  3. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    There is already a thread about this fleur.
    I think it is called Somethings changed at microgaming
     
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  4. Sep 16, 2008
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Personally I think we should use THIS thread to discuss Mega Moolah.
    (Mainly because the name of the slot is in the title).

    The other thread is more about a general feeling that all games have changed, this is specific to MM and this change is VERY serious IMHO.

    It looks like MG have increased the smaller jackpots by about x 50.
    Now unless they've suddenly gone all charitable (very unlikely), this means the chances of hitting the bonus wheel must have been reduced by x50... :eek:

    Has anyone received any official notification of this change?

    Anyone play it often enough to be able to tell if the chance of hitting bonus feature has dramatically changed?

    Feedback please!
    KK
     
  6. Sep 16, 2008
  7. kmay87

    kmay87 Meister Member PABnononaccred PABaccred2

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    I can vouch for that KK. Mega Moolah recently became my favourite slot, after months of playing and normally just one random - the mini as it often was - in a session, to hitting half a dozen minor jp's in the same session.

    I noticed the other day that the mini and minors were way over the usual. The mini at one point was more than the minor by 400 odd, compared to 10 which it always was, and while grinding out a WR at minimum stakes (with a balance of 500) I never hit it once.

    Probably not linked, but the usually frequent 2x scatters (with 3 required for the free spins) were also few and far between.

    I've always hesitated at playing at slots with random jp's, due to the reduced payout, but this was the first time I did that many spins - over 4,000 - not to hit it once.

     
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  8. Sep 16, 2008
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I was just observing the jackpots at Ladbrokes, and saw the Minor won at 2,000+ and reset to 1,000.

    So it has definitely changed. However, the Paytable still says this:-

    View attachment 13879

    What on earth is going on here??? :what:
     
  10. Sep 16, 2008
  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    I just put 10 through it, left over in one of my accounts - it's gone now, but the Mini is nearly 800, with the Minor over 1300. The two higher ones seen normal.

    All are ticking up as expected, so the slot is certainly being played, however, this maybe by players "chasing" what they believe is a one-off freak build-up of the two lower jackpots. If nothing has changed, this would be a damn good strategy, but if MG HAVE changed something, a lot of burnt fingers are going to be suffered.

    There could also be a bug, with the wheel not being triggered properly.

    If MG have indeed changed the game, they have, for the first time, left incontrovertible PROOF, and now we have some grounds for the feelings that OTHER games are now "somehow different".

    I have felt that Munchkins has changed to give fewer bonus rounds, and this seems to have been the case for some months. I KNOW Munchkins well, I used to play it EVERY Monday at Casino Action since it came out, and I KNOW how the variance of the bonus rounds goes. It FEELS different now, VERY different indeed!! Bonus rounds are now about as frequent as on Thunderstruck, but in the past Munchkins would drop them far more often, often with only a few spins, or a few dozen, between each one. Now, this simply DOES NOT HAPPEN, the average interval has increased, and pairs of scatters (the "heartstoppers") are less frequent. There is STILL the same reel layout for the scatters as far as I can see, so either this is a VERY long lasting extreme of random variance, and if we can believe the current situation with Mega Moolah is the same kind of extreme of natural variance, then I can believe my experience at Munchkins is also just one of those extremes of variance.

    Mega Moolah is the proof, it should revert back to "normal" after this fluke of variance is over, and if it doesn't, we have to believe that MG DO change OLD GAMES, and DO NOT TELL PLAYERS.
     
  12. Sep 16, 2008
  13. kmay87

    kmay87 Meister Member PABnononaccred PABaccred2

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    Take a look at the screenshot below (apologies for the quality). I played for about three hours today, no-one won any of the jackpots. Then the mini (which was at 600) went, went back down to 10, then it was won again straight away - coincidence? - and went down to 1!

    Just after I took this screenshot, the major went from 2800 to 600.

    This slot has definately been changed. 15 free spins paying 3x and the only win was for the initial three scatters. And that's happened quite a few times today.
     
  14. Sep 16, 2008
  15. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    Thanks for the heads up

    Mega Moolah has always been one of my favourites, but I haven't played MG in more than a month. I think I will wait while it gets sorted. If it does :rolleyes:
     
  16. Sep 16, 2008
  17. Swede

    Swede Hell is only a word PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I know this thread was supposed to be about Mega Moolah but since VWM's thoughts about Munchkins is here, I'll just reply here.

    I too have been playing Munchkins for the longest time. Not because I expect it to pay out huge, which is rare, but rather for the frequent free spins. Lately however, I've found myself playing for hours without even getting a decent number of heart-stoppers. The last session took the cake, I spun ~400 times before I got the free spins which I guess isn't that horrible. The round payed shite so I kept playing as I know (knew) it can pop up right away again. This time it took just under 1000 spins to get them, during which I say two scatters on reels 1-4 a maximum of 8-10 times.

    I brushed it off simply because nowadays I'm used to going several hundred or even a thousand spins between bonus rounds, no matter what MG slot I choose. As stupid as it may seem, I did go back the next day to try again, playing 60-90c as I always do. This time it took exactly 663 tries to get the free spins and needless to say, I got mighty pissed. The line wins are too puny and the good ones are too far between to sustain you in this game, you need to hit the free spins somewhat frequently to avoid going bust. As I recall, getting them somewhere between 150-200 spins apart is quite normal, at least for the years and several tens of thousand spins I've put in playing this machine.

    I know two sessions aren't enough to cry wolf but hitting thrice in 2000 or so spins made me stop and wonder. Just my two cents on a recent event.
     
  18. Sep 16, 2008
  19. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

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    Also noticed mega jackpot right up there mind you i have only been picked once to spin the wheel. I just did 50 spins on this game and before i use to read over and over jackpot won by another player, during those 50 spins i never read that once.
     
  20. Sep 16, 2008
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    No, it can't be that. I saw the minor won & reset to 1,000 with my own eyes.
    (Not to 100, as the paytable says).
    They must have increased the starting level which means they must have reduced the chances of getting the bonus wheel.

    I don't play the slot much (though I am playing it a bit every day at the moment for the Ladbrokes Slots Splash promo) and I've only hit the bonus wheel twice in ?,??? spins.
    I guess I'll never hit it now... :mad:
     
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  22. Sep 16, 2008
  23. HUNTS!!!!!

    HUNTS!!!!! Dormant account

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    did nobody ever notice when the minor got to say 25 and it was won it would'nt go back to 10 would go to like 16 then if it was won again fairly quickly would goto 10

    IMO i think mega moolah pucked up for a while and was'nt triggering the wheel MG fixed it now and i bet they will all be back to normal by tonight

    just my prediction :)
     
  24. Sep 16, 2008
  25. kmay87

    kmay87 Meister Member PABnononaccred PABaccred2

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    If it is the case that the levels have been increased without any prior notice, and no current notice, then it's a shame this decision was taken without consulting the players themselves.

    I'm sure I speak on behalf of many in saying we'd prefer lower jackpots with a higher frequency of hitting, than higher ones, which arguably are high enough to be a pretty decent win, but with even less chance of hitting.

    Granted, should the random jackpot screen suddenly pop up, you can be confident of getting a good win regardless of where the wheel stops, but now looking at that screen, it feels more like all the jackpots are unfeasible, as opposed to originally only the mega and major ones.
     
  26. Sep 16, 2008
  27. kmay87

    kmay87 Meister Member PABnononaccred PABaccred2

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    See my earlier post. I watched as the minor was won at 2800 and went down to 800, and the mini did likewise. I don't think the issue is what the jackpot does when it's won, but more of the levels the jps are hitting and the lack of frequency of these hits.

    To my knowledge this has been the case for at least 36 hours. Seems quite a while for a big problem not to be fixed. And it still doesn't alter the fact that this, and another slot Vinyl mentioned, don't play the same anymore.
     
  28. Sep 16, 2008
  29. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Apparently that is not the case as the jackpots were still being won but being reset to higher levels and then taking roughly 100Xlonger to trigger.

    The minor jackpot would usually hit every few spins and in all the time it has existed I never saw the minor much over 20.
    For people to report it as high as they have and play for hundreds of spins without it being won something has to have changed, surely?

    The odds of a statistical anomaly that large being variance are astronomical.
    It is an interesting One though because if MG have changed the game without telling anyone or even changing the paytable info a lot of people are going to wonder why.

    As for the other games I know a lot of people here have said the same thing about the slots playing differently.
    Are you all saying the same thing that feature rounds are more infrequent or is it something else?

    I generally only play the new MG slots so can not say.

    ps

    Have I got minor and mini mixed up?
     
  30. Sep 16, 2008
  31. kmay87

    kmay87 Meister Member PABnononaccred PABaccred2

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    :D Yep
     
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  32. Sep 16, 2008
  33. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Well, time for a little test;)

    Ruby Fortune laboratories:D


    I have a lucky draw till Friday, deposit 50 and wager 1x for each entry.

    I will therefore deposit and wager several blocks of 50 on MEGA MOOLAH, and see what I see (I know from past experience what I SHOULD see).



    Results are in:D

    Base game seems normal - eg, TIGHT as ever:mad:

    300 spins, ONE free spin round after 74 spins, nothing else. It paid 75 from a 2-50 per spin bet.

    Total wagered 750, and ended 150 down DESPITE the bonus round.

    A jackpot was won only ONCE during the session lasting 26 minutes. Unusual, but not impossible, HOWEVER, when it was won it was over 200, AND reset to 120 and not 10 as normal.

    The minor climbed from 1455 to 2003, and the mini had climbed back to 278 at the end of the 20 minutes.

    Looking in later, the Minor was around 600 and the Mini a mere 50.

    Looks to me like they have added a "reserve pot" for the resets, so that the reset is not simply back to 10 credits. It is also possible that they have added an adjustment for CURRENCY either with, or instead of, a reserve pot. This means that if the Minor or Mini is won in a currency such as the dollar or the SA Rand, it only takes the equivalent in UK Pounds from the pot, and leaves the rest as a reset value. We KNOW this happened when the MEGA was first won in SA Rand, it only lost a small fraction of it's value, but this has NEVER been the case for the Minor or Mini, which have reset to 100 and 10 irrespective of the currency they were last paid in. The INTERVAL between hits has been much reduced. The annoying "another player has won the jackpot" only came the once, whereas the Mini would rarely make it past 20 before hitting, and would hit once every minute or so at times.

    The changes probably do NOT affect the overall RTP, and merely ensure the Minor and Mini are not so worthless when they are hit. Most players will ONLY ever win one or the other.

    What MG DIDN'T do was announce this MAJOR change as an "upgrade" which they should have done when publicising the new games. The change is VERY significant, and to most progressive players would be seen as a GOOD thing, but the fact that MG sought to get away with yet another quiet "fix" only undermines the trust players have that the OLD games never really change, and that it's just our brains THINKING something has changed.

    Now, MG have set a precedent, they WILL and DO change the OLD games if they think they need a popularity boost. The other changes seem to have affected low variance slots, and seem to have been designed to increase the variance towards that experienced with the very popular Thunderstruck slots.

    How they can change variance without changing paytables or reels is a puzzle given what they CLAIM are how the slots work, but are NO MYSTERY for anyone who has played UK AWP machines, or the newer 500 pseudo-slots (which, because of a loophole in TAX laws, are really BINGO games that display the winning amounts as a slot result - random they are, but they are NOT slots, if they were, they would have been illegal, whereas "bingo" was LEGAL(ish) in machine form, and reel analysis will NOT give you a true answer to the odds and variance of the payouts).
     
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  34. Sep 18, 2008
  35. Shocked

    Shocked Quit Gambling

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    As I was doing the Ladbrokes cashsplash anyway (kinda buggered it for this week now..ho hum), decided to overplay on Mega Moolah..do a few hundred quids worth of spins.

    :rolleyes:

    Managed to get to 140 worth of spins at 50p a throw (i.e. 280 spins). No free spins and the highest line with was 210 (around a 8x), though that was a bit of an anomoly. The mini jackpot was not hit at all and the minor jackpot was hit once. Just checking and the mini jackpot has reached 1040 and the minor jackpot is 800something.

    50/280= 17p per 50p spin..amongst the worst returns I've had at MG

    Oh and a pretty picture:
     
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  36. Sep 18, 2008
  37. brianzz

    brianzz Dormant account

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    I did a little test late last night took $50 and played max coin on penny on the flash version which lasted about an hour, no jackpots won during that time and I got 0 bonus spins, line wins kept me playing but nothing over about 10X my bet.

    But... from the rules of the game

    This isn't true as we're all seeing, unless that minimum value varies from minute to minute, or in most cases, half hour by half hour as the jackpots seem to only be won once per half hour.

    The most disturbing part about the help file for MM is....

     
  38. Sep 18, 2008
  39. j_l

    j_l Banned User

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    This is not true.

    I have (many times) observed that the Mini or Minor jackpots had not reduced to the default jackpot amount. When these jackpots were won in Rands or Dollars it used to reflect whilst I was playing in Pounds.
     

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