Whats the secret behind BJ?

free4all

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I've browsed the forum for some time and I can see that many of you are making
profits on playing BJ, and I dont mean bonus abusing ;)

how? When I play BJ after the right chart to the BJ game I am playing, I always win 50/50

so if I start out on 400$ I will always stay from 380-420$
and thats it, I saw some of you could get it up to 2000$ and maybe more.

thats crazy, whats the secret? how do you do it?

by the way, I make 3$ bets all the time (when playing 400$) is that to much or small?
 

pstnpstn

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free4all said:
I've browsed the forum for some time and I can see that many of you are making
profits on playing BJ, and I dont mean bonus abusing ;)

how? When I play BJ after the right chart to the BJ game I am playing, I always win 50/50

so if I start out on 400$ I will always stay from 380-420$
and thats it, I saw some of you could get it up to 2000$ and maybe more.

thats crazy, whats the secret? how do you do it?

by the way, I make 3$ bets all the time (when playing 400$) is that to much or small?
bet one hand all in with $400 and you get blackjack.
now you have $1000.

bet one hand all in with $1000 and you get blackjack.
now you have $2500.

you can win $2100 just two hand play.
 

fathead

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Don't most online casino's these days shuffle before each deal? I would think that this eliminates any card counting advantage.

I have bet a lot on the horses online, but am relatively new to casino play, so I could be wrong.
 

KasinoKing

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pstnpstn said:
bet one hand all in with $400 and you get blackjack.
now you have $1000.

bet one hand all in with $1000 and you get blackjack.
now you have $2500.

you can win $2100 just two hand play.
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that???

I'm going to do that every time I play Blackjack from now on! :D
 

Bruce Hamilton

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fathead said:
Don't most online casino's these days shuffle before each deal? I would think that this eliminates any card counting advantage.
I suspect they do. Wouldn't want players to have any advantage now, would we?
 

buck

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BJ My 2 cents

free4all said:
I've browsed the forum for some time and I can see that many of you are making
profits on playing BJ, and I dont mean bonus abusing ;)

how? When I play BJ after the right chart to the BJ game I am playing, I always win 50/50

so if I start out on 400$ I will always stay from 380-420$
and thats it, I saw some of you could get it up to 2000$ and maybe more.

thats crazy, whats the secret? how do you do it?

by the way, I make 3$ bets all the time (when playing 400$) is that to much or small?
First of all you need to find a decent casino. I would suggest Global Player, most MG casinos, Boss Media casinos, can be ok but streaky.
Stay away from RTG and Gaming Federation.

Select the best type of game for your play: Vegas , Reno , European etc. Stay away from double exposure or bonus games. Adhere to basic strategy with no exception.

Set some betting rules and stick by them.
It can be debated all day, but here are some of mine:

1. Stop if you lose 5 hands straight, give it a rest and come back later in the day.
2. Start with bets that are no more than 1/20 of your sessions amount.
3. Set thresholds for raising bets as you go up not down. IE you start with a
$100 with $5 bets if you reach $120 go for $10 bets unless you fall below a bottom threshold such as $80. If you reach the bottom stop for a break.
4. This will be debated but I also set thresholds for winnings for sessions, such stopping the session if I am 50% or 100% ahead. I will come back later in the day and start fresh.
5. Cash out to protect your initial stake when applicable.


I am not sure that all is random and some casino "fuzzy logic" is not the best.


BJ on line maybe streaky so be prepared for good days and bad and try to limit your bad. I am a small stakes player and biggest cashout has been +$800 and typical loss is usually no more than $100. Take advantage of free bonus that will not prevent you from withdrawing your winnings or initial amounts from orginal stake. IE a few MG will give me $20 free for 4 weeks if I deposit and bet a $100 prior. Cashout winnings or initial stake and you have free bonus that can be played with. Though $20 stakes are hard to buildup I probably end up 1 of 4 cashing out these free amounts at +$80 and will deduct $20 if WR not fulfilled.



Good Luck

Buck
 
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davescamp

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Make a constant profit playing Black Jack without using bonus: it's impossible IMO!!
You can't count cards, the dealer always has an advantage: math is against you...all the strategies of increasing and decreasing the bet are based on discovering when it's the moment the winning strike is coming, and even if you know very well the software it's very hard to be found (almost a myth).
You have just 2 ways of making money with black jack IMO:
-gamble very hard being very lucky
-bonus abusing
 

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Aaaah - the mysteries of gambling!

Ask yourself this: In all your sessions of Blackjack, how often are you ahead at some point?
Chances are, at least 8 out of 10 times, right?
The only reason you end up losing is because you carry on playing.
So the trick is to stop when you're ahead (even if it's only a little profit), go and play another game, or at another casino, and come back later.

Theoretically by doing this you will make a profit. But you do need will power.
(Of course, you also need to play at a casino with a fair game).

What really screws peoples brains is this: What is the difference between leaving the table & coming back later, and just carrying on?
I don't know.
... Well I did say it's a mystery! ;)
 

Vesuvio

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KasinoKing said:
Theoretically by doing this you will make a profit. But you do need will power.
(Of course, you also need to play at a casino with a fair game).
Never quite sure if you're just joking, but no, your only hope if you're not bonus hunting is a rigged game, assuming you can work out how it's rigged.

"Theoretically" you'll lose the house edge otherwise :D Stopping when you're ahead has a few flaws, the most obvious being what you do those times you never get ahead. Say you "cut your losses", the amount you've lost long term will work out slightly greater than the amount you've won when you got ahead (and how far ahead do you have to be before stopping?). Systems, money management & patience all make the casinos (& those loveable affiliates) a fortune.
 

johnsteed

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I found that I've done quite well, by setting boundaries on gameplay (w/BJ). Although, this could apply to VP as well.

a) If I deposit $100, I cash-out once I reach about 100% over (at $200 with no exceptions). I withdraw $150 from that (my deposit and 50% winnings). I then play off of the remaining credit (although I still have certain points wherein I must cash-out again, i.e. at the $300 mark).

b) In terms of actually playing a good game of blackjack. I only play multihand. I stick by the code of limiting your bets to only 1-3% of your total purse (although when winning, I increase a fraction up). I start with one hand at $1. If I win, I split the hands in two. If I win on either hand, I increase the bet by $1, and proceed to do so, but stop increasing after $3 (because you don't want to give too much of your profit away). If I lose on one hand, but win on the other, I don't increase the bets. If I lose on both hands, then I start over, with a single-hand of $1. I guess some observers will think that the player (using this system) doesn't win enough during the streaks, but I view it as a great way to limit losses (and I find single-hand too boring, and frankly, I do much better on multi-hand).

c) If you're only withdrawing small amounts (like I do), then I suggest going to casino's that pay-out within 1-3 days (max), without the hastles. If you're going to an RTG that requires a fax-back form on EVERYTHING, then it'll just piss-you-off, and you'll think that the low withdrawals are too meager and too much trouble. And you might as well forget about PlayTech, because it'll take forever to get your money back.

d) Although I clearly understand why others elect to use bonuses, and view this as THE only way to get ahead (or have a prayer), I see it differently. If
I'm withdrawing on small amounts, then I won't be making the cut on the playthrough requirements. So, I have to forfeit accepting bonuses by using this system. I'm not looking for the homerun, I'm looking to make the small moves, and that by the end of the month, comes out better than a homerun.

e) I know that this may sound off to some, but at times, the player has the advantage (only with reputable casino's), by which they can choose when to quit. Blackjack (or gambling) is all ebb-and-flow, and if you're not greedy, and patient enough, taking just a bit of that money as often as you can when things are slightly good will bode well for you in the long-run. I know, easier said than done.

As far as what software to use this type of strategy on, I guess MG would be the best (based on fulfilling my criteria). I find that there are a couple of good RTG (those that pay and don't ask for fax-back) casino's to try this on (and personally, I find RTG multihand to be quite decent). I've heard Global Player, and maybe it is good, but it was hell for me (and I will NEVER touch it again). Ditto on Intercasino BJ (I hear it's streaky and can go either way, but it's been on one helluva streak for a very long time with me). I wouldn't touch G-Fed based on horror stories, but oddly enough (on the no-deposit bonuses), I found the actual software to be the most fair (nutty, huh?). Someone had mentioned Casino-On-Net, and I would think that it may be the finest for BJ. But again, I've not been hearing good things about there withdrawal procedures.
 
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bpb

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johnsteed said:
e) I know that this may sound off to some, but at times, the player has the advantage (only with reputable casino's), by which they can choose when to quit. Blackjack (or gambling) is all ebb-and-flow, and if you're not greedy, and patient enough, taking just a bit of that money as often as you can when things are slightly good will bode well for you in the long-run. I know, easier said than done.
The player doesn't have the advantage. Vegas was built by good "money managers".
 

cashmirrors

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There are 3 ways of making a profit from online blackjack:

1) Own the casino.
2) Be an affiliate for the casino.
3) Bonus / comp (ab)use - if you follow the rules THEY set, they shouldn't complain it's abuse, but I digress.

Anything else is not a profit, it's variance. No matter what money management system you use, no matter how perfect your strategy, the house edge is unavoidable and unsurmountable.

Offline you can add:
4) Count Cards.

but remove #2 (and counting is TOUGH - at least for me).
 

caruso

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KasinoKing said:
The only reason you end up losing is because you carry on playing. So the trick is to stop when you're ahead (even if it's only a little profit), go and play another game, or at another casino, and come back later.
Theoretically by doing this you will make a profit. But you do need will power.
No offence, countryman mine, but this is absolute nonsense. The reason you lost is not because you carried on - it's because you started in the first place. The carrying on just made you lose more. And if you "come back later", you'll lose still more.

But you got one thing right: you need will power - because following your advice would result in going broke. You'd need a helluva lot of will power to see you through that, lololol.
 

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caruso said:
No offence, countryman mine, but this is absolute nonsense. The reason you lost is not because you carried on - it's because you started in the first place. The carrying on just made you lose more. And if you "come back later", you'll lose still more.

But you got one thing right: you need will power - because following your advice would result in going broke. You'd need a helluva lot of will power to see you through that, lololol.
No offense taken! ;)

So you are agreeing with everyone else here who says that no matter what you do (ignoring bonus use) it is absolutely impossible to make any long term profit playing Blackjack?

Or are you saying you know a way that does work?
If so, please tell!
If not, why do so many people (apparently) play it so much? :confused:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is possible, just suggesting one possible way that could work!
Maybe I'll give my theory a try over the next week or so, and see what happens! :cool:
I think I've mentioned quite a few times that I hardly ever play BJ myself anyway because a) It's too boring, and b) IMO it is 'rigged' at quite a few of the casinos I play at!
 

bpb

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KasinoKing said:
IMO it is 'rigged' at quite a few of the casinos I play at!
Blackjack is rigged at every casino. It's rigged by mathematics.

Same goes for every casino game with a positive house edge.
 

johnsteed

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bpb Quote:
Originally Posted by KasinoKing
IMO it is 'rigged' at quite a few of the casinos I play at! 



Blackjack is rigged at every casino. It's rigged by mathematics. 

Same goes for every casino game with a positive house edge.
CASHMIRRORS

Anything else is not a profit, it's variance. No matter what money management system you use, no matter how perfect your strategy, the house edge is unavoidable and unsurmountable.

So, does this ALL entail that 100% of the gambling population (which play BJ) loses? While I will agree that the house has the edge, by that there are many variables which favor the casino, there must be some BJ players out there who turn a profit. I know I've done quite well, and I'd assume there are other posters here who're ahead in their overall win/loss column.
 
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bpb

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johnsteed said:
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bpb Quote:
Originally Posted by KasinoKing
IMO it is 'rigged' at quite a few of the casinos I play at! 



Blackjack is rigged at every casino. It's rigged by mathematics. 

Same goes for every casino game with a positive house edge.
CASHMIRRORS

Anything else is not a profit, it's variance. No matter what money management system you use, no matter how perfect your strategy, the house edge is unavoidable and unsurmountable.

So, does this ALL entail that 100% of the gambling population (which play BJ) loses? While I will agree that the house has the edge, by that there are many variables which favor the casino, there must be some BJ players out there who turn a profit. I know I've done quite well, and I'd assume there are other posters here who're ahead in their overall win/loss column.
No, it means that 100% of the online BJ population has a negative expectation. Your expected loss at blackjack should be somewhere around .5% of the total amount wagered. So if you've played $100,000 worth of BJ in your life, your expected result would be -$500.

Some people will do better. Some will do worse. Some people will do so well that they'll actually positive overall despite placing negative expectation wagers. Those people are lucky.


Let's say we play a coin flip game where on every heads, I give you a dollar ... and on every tails ... you give me 2 dollars.

After 1 flip ... is it possible that you'll be ahead? Of course.
How about after 5 flips. Sure
10 flips. Sure
100 flips. Sure
1000 flips. Sure
10,000 flips. Sure
100,000 flips. Sure ... it's possible ... but you're the damn luckiest person on the planet. But it's possible.


Long term winners at negative expecation wagering have simply been really lucky. "Money management" had nothing to do with it. Dame fortune has smiled on those people. But the more they wager ... the more likely their overall results will drop.
 

cashmirrors

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What bpb said.

Basically, the expected loss is an Average figure. Obviously, some of the blackjack playing population will be above average. However, money management, lucky keyrings, or any other systems had NOTHING to do with it. It's just pure dumb luck (except for the minority who do create an advantage for themselves by counting, bonus / comp, or outright cheating).
 
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