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What's the precise meaning of "Flush"? (nothing to do with toilets please)

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by johnsteed, Apr 7, 2006.

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Which of the two do you believe the term "FLUSH" best reflects?

  1. To "flush" still allows the player to reverse their withdrawal by request.

    9 vote(s)
    45.0%
  2. To "flush" does not allow the player to reverse their withdrawal, despite request.

    11 vote(s)
    55.0%
    Apr 7, 2006
  1. johnsteed

    johnsteed Ueber Meister

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    Hello fellow forum members,


    Without naming the specific MG casino, I'd like to know what you believe the meaning of "flush" (as in "flush your winnings) is.


    a) To "flush", it to skip the pending withdrawal/reverse period, and start the process of withdrawing your winnings (however long that may be).


    b) To "flush" is to override any kind of reverses that you may request (IOW deny any request you may have) UNTIL your withdrawal is finalized.


    To the best of my knowledge, I always thought that "b)" was the correct meaning of the casino term "flush".


    To be precise in what was said by the customer support operator, that person had stated "flushing your withdrawal means taking out the "reversible" period and sending it through for processing, but if you request us to credit it back to your casino account then we'll do so for you...". :rolleyes:


    As far as I'm concerned, if to "flush" is in fact option "a)" (or what the operator had stated), it's hardly something that deserves any kind of praise on the casinos part. It's no more than a useless formality that makes the casino look great for "seemingly" helping the player out.


    Thank you for your time.


    Steed

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  2. Apr 7, 2006
  3. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    I'm with you JS, always assumed it was option B. Mind you, anytime I've flushed a withdrawal, I've never asked for it to be reversed. Now I sort of wish you hadn't said it is reversible, lol.

    How are ya anyway JS? Long time no see. :)
     
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  5. johnsteed

    johnsteed Ueber Meister

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    Pinababy69


    I don't know if this meaning of "flush" (as it was explained to me) applies to all MG casinos that do in fact include that option. Regardless, I'll have to ask all the casinos that do have that specific option if in fact they do deny reverses after making a request to have winnings "flushed" (by request). For me, it's incredibly disappointing that it can be reversed, because it was a practice (and a positive sign on the casino's part) that's been appreciated by various forum members here (myself included). Now, I'm not so sure...




    I've been busy lately, but I'm doing well (thank you for asking :) ).

    Steed

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  6. Apr 7, 2006
  7. tennis_balls

    tennis_balls Dormant account

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    flush twice.....it's a long way to MG Casino
     
  8. Apr 7, 2006
  9. LisasLuck

    LisasLuck Full Member

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    On numerous occassions I have called and requested a (partial) reverse after having my account flushed... they will do it as long as the withdrawl isnt already being processed .....so if you request it within the first 24 hours its usually still available for reverse just as if it was still in the banks pending section...the casino I dealt with was more then happy to reverse my funds for me :rolleyes:

    I think flushing an account is just a courtesy that some casinos do at the players request to remove the temptation of reversing the withdrawl. Flushing has never made me get paid any quicker ...

    PS when I saw the title of this thread I thought you were asking what a *flush* is like in poker... lol Im thinking wow .. could there actually be a debate on that? ;)
     
  10. Apr 7, 2006
  11. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    Ha ha Lisa......that's exactly what I thought too, poker. Neither one of us is blond, so it must be a Lisa thing. :D

    Any chance that all too accomodating casino was one of the Grand Prive Group? I'll betcha. Ah, the good old days when Grand Prive were actually a great group. How the mighty have fallen.
     
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  12. Apr 7, 2006
  13. Let_It_Ride

    Let_It_Ride Quit Gambling

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    unfair comment

    they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, The way I see it is the casino provided the player a service he asked for, it is not up to them to tell u how to manage your money!
     
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  15. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    No......it's not up to the casino to manage your money for you, but the point of the thread was "what is the true meaning of flush"? Like JohnSteed, I always thought that it meant you skipped the pending period and the money went straight to accounts to be processed in the next batch....and became non-reversible. I won't even play at a casino anymore that won't flush my cashout, I have no willpower. And the worst is cashing out on a Friday night, and being told it has to sit in pending status all weekend.
     
  16. Apr 7, 2006
  17. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator

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    That's exactly what it is. It simply moves the money from the "Reverse Withdrawal Available" queue to the "Pending Processing" queue which removes the ability for the player to reverse it into their account.

    The casino reps will generally have the abilityy in the administration software to move it back into the casino acount manually if asked to do so. Some casinos don't like to do this, most are happy to (obviously).

    Because with some casinos having "Live Chat", i found it all to easy to request it back if i got bored. So I manually requested 32Red to remove the "manual reverse" facility, which they did immediately. Plus they set my Reverse period to 1 hour for me. As a result, I always play 32Red first and only switch to say Roxy when the luck's not there. I haven't reversed at 32Red since - I still lose but over a longer period of time - lol :D
     
  18. Apr 7, 2006
  19. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

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    I've always understood "flush" to mean immediate end to the period during which the funds can be reversed.

    It doesn't mean you necessarily get your money faster, as that would depend on how often the casino processes payments, or even exactly when they process a payment.

    But, for all intents and purposes, this equates to "A". And "B", for that matter, since you should no longer be able to reverse the withdrawal after a flush.

    The support staff that was quoted was exactly right in the first breath. But extremely ignorant, or unknowing, or maybe just overly friendly. Maybe it's time someone firmly defined what "flush" is and set a standard.

    The only reason casinos which follow option "A" get any praise is because they do as they are asked. I realize that this should be the norm but sadly it is not.

    Besides, when you say "Sit" and the dog sits, you give him a treat. If one day you stop giving him treats even after he follows your instructions, what is the dog to think? :D
     
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  21. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator

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    Agreed but there is a far better solution. It's time the software providers showed some responsibility in this area and allowed the player to control the "Reverse Withdrawal" time they wanted themselves.

    In light of HR4777, the industry has an opportunity to prove that it acts responsibly and that it is not simply trying to exploit the weaknesses of some consumers.

    NB: Cryptologic deserve some kudos in this area for not having a reverse withdrawal procedure, while Ladbrokes (MG) also allow the player to flush themselves (metaphorically!) instantly.

    Now, if anyone needs a reminder of what player opinion is on reverse Withdrawal: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/7443-reverse-withdrawal.html


    Hobby horse? Me? Never!
     
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  23. Slotmachine

    Slotmachine Dormant account

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    I did the same. 1 hour is OK in my book.

    I always thought "flush" means that it just disappears from the "reverse withdrawal" menu but is reversible by e-mail or live chat. I know, what's the point then..

    I agree with Jetset that whichever way you look at it, it's always in the casino's best interest to reverse a withdrawal, pronto. a) the player will lose back his winnings, b) the player is happy that the casino does as they're told

    My experience is that there is nothing casino support will do faster than reverse withdrawals.

    Cheers,
    SM
     
  24. Apr 7, 2006
  25. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

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    Interesting idea, Simmo!

    I think the casinos will probably resist this as long as possible though... LOL...
     
  26. Apr 7, 2006
  27. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator

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    LOL - you don't say ;)

    Actually i think a lot are frightened it will cut earnings, when in actual fact i don't think it will at all. Its had no effect on how much i gamble. Just means i do it steadier, with less negative vibes, and at the same place :)
     
  28. Apr 7, 2006
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Speed up payment.

    When I request a flush, my concern is to cut the period between withdrawing and being paid. I have a personal taboo about reversing a withdrawal just to play more. The only time I would do so is if in a tournament where I will cash in some to make my balance lower, which should instil discipline in how I complete the tournament.

    I would like to have the option to initiate a flush myself from within the software, and get paid during the next cycle. Casino Action effectively have this with their instant Neteller payment system, although the amounts are limited (only an issue with a big win). Jackpot factory will flush, and it DOES speed up payment a little as there is a payment cycle 3 times a day.
    the 1 hour at 32Red is almost as good as having a permanent flush set, another option worth having.

    I have always understood flushing as being a means to shorten the payment cycle rather than preventing a manual reversal if the cycle has not yet begun.
     

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