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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Quickwin, Jun 12, 2017.

    Jun 12, 2017
  1. Quickwin

    Quickwin Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Media
    Location:
    Norway
    I lost 4000euro deposit yesterday at iGame, with terrible payout on Netent slots as usual (2-5euro bet) (i'm down €50K last 6 months total on netent)

    Also it is normal to not being rewarded almost anything when you had really bad RTP on all slots? for instances iGame rewarded me €100 with 50X on my 4000euro loss, FYI i had my igame account for years but havent touched unitl this weekend (i wish i didnt)

    I can't seems to get ahead on netent games no matter what, it is a point where i am about to stop comepletely and stick to the slots that we have on norwegian market (they are at least payable)

    I can't see the point of gambling online when 9/10 times your starting balance is the highest you will have when you start playing.
     
  2. Jun 12, 2017
  3. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

    Occupation:
    Turns Tricks
    Location:
    Londonia
    See, I feel bad when I lose £40, nevermind 4K. Unless you're filthy rich, 50K in six months is an awful lot to donate to Netent.

    Chasing isn't fun in either case, so I'd knock that on the head first, and surely look to trim that expenditure in half at least :cool:

    And yes, all of Netent's games are designed in the pits of Hades, with Satan setting the RTP individually :eek::cool:
     
  4. Jun 12, 2017
  5. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Chasing losses on netent will not end well. Unless it's on DOA. I don't suggest chasing anyways but if you are no matter what anyone says do it on big time gaming and hope to hit one of their monsters. Or Microgaming..immortal romance..jurassic park...fish party..finer reels. I would suggest game of thrones but that's likely to just destroy you.
     
  6. Jun 13, 2017
  7. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    That "bonus" was an insult :mad:
    I would dump that awful casino in a heartbeat.

    I'm always saying it, but results do depend a bit on WHICH games you are playing.
    Though with the amount of play-time you have obviously put in, I wouldn't expect results to be that terrible on any games.

    If NetEnt isn't working for you - try Play'N'Go low variance games.
    I have got deposits up to 3x, 4x, or more several times this year just playing Gemix, Golden Ticket, Cloud Quest, Energoonz & Troll Hunters.
    Viking Runecraft seems to be a damp squib and Book of Dead too high variance for my liking. I haven't played many others.

    KK
     
  8. Jun 14, 2017
  9. Quickwin

    Quickwin Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Media
    Location:
    Norway
    Yeah, i contacted again iGame to see if they got something better as i deposited another 500euro to see if i would get any action back of 4000 euro deposit loss but no, they said they already gave me 100euro bonus. really bad loyality, they wont see me putting more money to them any time soon again. (considering i did not receive any deposit bonus on my deposit and had amazingly low payout on all games i mean all games including black jack.

    My stats are scary, i don't know what is going on, i play mostly - dead or alive, book of dead, jackpot 6000.

    i havent seen 5 wild in almost 8months i would get even for the loss if i hit 5 line wild on 18euro bet now..

    My worst slot that been really bad is jackpot 6000, it usually would give me the jackpot nearly 600X each time, but now it eats at least 1800X before it give our the jackpot.

    Dead or alive just keeps eating, no matter what, its more like a AWP now, where it eats and give it to very few from the pot.
     
  10. Jun 14, 2017
  11. Gonzo

    Gonzo Abusive troll

    Occupation:
    own company
    Location:
    Sweden
    Atleas they gave u 100Eu bonus. Verajohn gave me 10euro and 15frespins with a coinvalue 0.10. After a deposit on 2k euro in very few hours. And the worst of all was that she thought she have done something big and that i should be gartefull and happy. HAHAHAH its so sick i dont know what went srong in my childhood that im sitting and press spinn on the couh at home and risking money.Making other people rich..And netent games it is totally pointless sitting and bettin 1-10 euro spins when you are down as much as u are, I was down this year i think 14k and yeasterday i won 29k whitdraw 24k .

    When i loose big as u have done. I give myself 2 oppertunity.. that is chase the loss and bet big if it comes it come or just accept the lost . have a nice day
     
  12. Jun 14, 2017
  13. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    50 spins at 10 cents 50x wager and thats if your lucky and the way they carry on you would of thought they gave you there winning millionaire lottery ticket, unfortunately alot of sites are just in it to make as much cash as they can now day's and players come second.

    But they have to realize that no player = no casino and there are plenty of casino to chose from with them opening up on a daily basis, all the bigger sites have cut there purse strings on the shit they give out :eek: players are sick and tired of being treated like dirt and will be looking at alternatives in the future.

    I would rather have £10 profit and make customers happy and give away what I can, but casino would rather make £20 and piss players off get bad name, lose players just for that few £ extra

    Players are started to see this routine of what casino do and reward you until they got you in there pockets and than its speak to the hand, good thing is that as there so many sites now days people do look and what comes with looking is sites like this. If casino do not sort things out they are going to feel the effects, the times casino used to sell for big bucks is long gone as there a 100 to a penny now days, very few casino are worth the money that casino used to go for.

    but saying that if you lost 4k and say the casino has a 5% edge that means the casino only make 200 from that 4k take into account the fees that incur for for depo and towards expenses, as even low casino took 4k of you another site may have lost that and it works both ways, but even still 100 is abit of a piss take
     
  14. Jun 14, 2017
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    You been drinking again T? :p

    If he lost 4K, the casino made 4K, less expenses and overheads, NOT just 200 less costs.
    I would guess the casino would come out with AT LEAST half (2K) as clear profit after all deductions & fees.

    KK
     
  16. Jun 14, 2017
  17. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    :) no drink for a while

    of course the casino has TOOK 4k of that player but may have paid some one out 4k for only 100 depo so not necessarily mean there 4k better off

    its like the affiliate business, lets say the deal you have is set across all your sign ups, say 100 players and 99% of them lose so you got profit but lets say that one 1% won what all the others put in and now you be sitting at 0

    lets just say the casino made 2k profit from that as you said. There be losing money because if say a casino runs of a 5% profit taking a game pays out 95% than over the long run there are only making £50 out of every 1k deposit, that is before expense, You have to remember if somebody is losing than somebody else is winning in the long run and visa versa.

    Lets say there is a bunch of us playing a fruit machine and at the end of the day that machine has to pay out dead on 90%

    There is 10 players all with £10, machine pays out £90 and 10 profit for the bar man, I lose, you lose, and so does another 5 of us, now 3 people have got 30 each and 7 of us has lost, if we go to the bar man and say oi that machines rigged me and a few mates as we have just stuck a £10 in each, now if we ask even for 10% back =£1 each to us that lost £10, now that 10 profit has drooped to £3, bar man has to pay staff members and electricity bill and hire of the machine out of that, if we asked for £1.50 each than he would be out of pocket before expense

    Hopefully you get the idea ~:)

    another example is that the OP stuck 4k in and somebody else stuck 4k in, OP lost but the other player managed the to beat the odds took out 10k, I let you do the maths
     
  18. Jun 14, 2017
  19. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Given the recent amount of conspiracy threads, I'd go with 500 players have done 4K and one lucky winner walked away with £100 from his or her £90 deposit :p

    The fat cats are getting fatter and fast! :eek:

    I agree with your earlier post Tez, drip feed our dosh away and "Rome wasn't built in a day" would be my business ethics also (well at least to start with until I was established)

    Competition between casinos and the ever increasing volumes, rogues and AP's are what I feel are the major causes of the loss of the "good old days"
     
  20. Jun 14, 2017
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    No, no and more no!
    A slot paying RTP of 95% does NOT mean the casino only makes £5 for every £100 deposited.

    It WOULD if the player only played their £100 through once, and then withdrew what was left - but it doesn't work like that...
    Generally players will carry on playing until they are either broke (the casino makes the full £100) or they reach their cash-out target & withdraw (this could mean a loss for the casino of anything from £1 to £1,000's)
    Yes there are winners, of course, so the casinos definitely don't get to keep everything that is deposited, but their margins are not simply based on the RTP's of their games.

    KK
     

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