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What would you do...deuces wild

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Casinomeister, Feb 4, 2006.

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What would you have done?

  1. Held all five cards.

    8 vote(s)
    17.8%
  2. Held the three deuces - I have no fear.

    33 vote(s)
    73.3%
  3. I'm a dweeb - I play no VP.

    4 vote(s)
    8.9%
    Feb 4, 2006
  1. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Here's one for ya.

    I'm playing Loose Deuces at iNetBet - three hand, $1 a coin so $15 a pop.

    I'm dealt three deuces and a pair of fives pat. Now my gut instinct tells me to hold all five cards and accept the $225 ($75 x 3), but with Loose Deuces paying 2500 for 4 deuces. I'm tempted to discard the two fives and throw caution to the wind.

    The question is, what would you have done? (me thinks everyone knows what I did :D)
     
  2. Feb 4, 2006
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    And for the math heads - what would have been the right thing to do?
     
  4. Feb 4, 2006
  5. tantalos

    tantalos Experienced Member

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    Well, it depends. I would have holded all 5 cards in case I had a bad losing streak, or my bankroll had suffered some bad hits by that time. In case I was up, I might feel like trying ....

    Come to think of it, considering that I am a rather conservative player, I think I 'd settle with holding these 5 cards...

    Once I was playing Jacks or better 10-hands, and I was dealt 10-J-K-A-2 , all diamonds... I decided to keep just the 4 big ones and ,needless to say, I got absolutely NOTHING on any hand...
     
  6. Feb 4, 2006
  7. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    I voted for "hold the three deuces", course it wasn't my money, lol. So are you going to tell us what happened when the poll is over?
     
  8. Feb 4, 2006
  9. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Hold the 3 deuces. Youre playing 3 hands, there's 47 cards left and 2 chances per hand so you have less than a 1 in 8 chance. 8 x $225 = $1800 so odds say go for the $2500 every time :) (Plus of course you're always gonna win something back if you do)
     
  10. Feb 4, 2006
  11. Slotmachine

    Slotmachine Dormant account

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    As I'm just getting into this gambling math thing, I calculated an expected return of >$305 for holding the 3 deuces only, compared to the expected return of $225 for holding all cards, so my math says have no fear :)

    Maybe Grandmaster can check the result...

    I didn't factor in the probability of hitting 4deuces in more than one hands, but the answer to the question stays the same..hold the deuces..

    Regardless of the math, holding all cards would be very boring anyway...

    Cheers,
    SM
     
  12. Feb 4, 2006
  13. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    UK
    Assuming I got the correct pay table, if you have three deuces, you should always discard the other two cards, even if you have a wild royal. VP strategy master gives the expected value of the 3 deuces as $397.65, compared to $225 of holding the 5 of a kind.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2006
  15. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    If you have a wild royal with 3 dueces, you should keep this hand. It is a much
    better choice, even when Wild Royals only pay 25. (so when they pay 45 like on MG casinos, it would be a very bad decision to only hold 3 dueces)

    But yes, you should only hold the 3 dueces instead of 5 of a kind on all paytables I know.
     
  16. Feb 4, 2006
  17. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    A pat wild royal would only pay $375, so keeping the three deuces only is better.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2006
  19. liquidsoap

    liquidsoap Dormant account

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    i said dueces i no what you did, how did it turn out?
     
  20. Feb 4, 2006
  21. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Exactly, that's why I discarded the two fives hoping my meister mojo would kick in. :D

    Unfortunately it was a crap hand. Two four of a kinds and one straight flush - which paid out way below what I would have gotten if I had held the five cards. Boo frigging hoo. :(
     
  22. Feb 4, 2006
  23. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    I agree the pat wild royal pay 375$ (25 *15$).

    But keeping the 3 dueces only pay approx (15*15$)=225$

    This is from the wizard when you have 3 Deuces, it has the same paytable as the CM played.

    3 Deuces
    1. Wild royal flush (25.0000)
    2. 3 deuces only, non-pair discarded (15.059204)
    3. 3 deuces only, pair 9 or less discarded (15.057354)
    4. 5 of a kind (15.0000)
    5. 3 deuces only, pair 10 or greater discarded (14.938946)
    6. 4 to a royal flush (11.829787)
    7. Straight flush or less
     
  24. Feb 4, 2006
  25. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    Can we buy that anywhere? :)
     
  26. Feb 4, 2006
  27. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    You missed a very important point, it was Loose Deuces with 4 deuces paying $2500.
     
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  28. Feb 4, 2006
  29. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    You right, I completely missed it. Never played Loose Dueces myself.
    I was suspicious that you could make a mistake though :)
     
  30. Feb 5, 2006
  31. Daffy

    Daffy Experienced Member

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    I would have kept the three dueces...

    I have not played thousands of hands of Loose Dueces Wild...but I have played hundreds...ultimate goal is FOUR DUECES...THREE DUECES seems like a great starting hand to me...lol.

    the dUck
     
  32. Feb 28, 2006
  33. Genenco

    Genenco Dormant account

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    I'd have to agree, that no matter the progress of hands (Up or down bankroll) standing pat was risking the major side of a nice payoff...

    But then again, I've done the same..Yep, did hit (Not loose deuces) the 4 deuces, but having those 3 made is easy to run for the fourth.
     
  34. Feb 28, 2006
  35. morose

    morose Dormant account

    Location:
    China
    I played 4-lines decues wild in some casino, got 3 decues and 2 eights
    hold the three deuces, one of the line got five deuces:cool:
     
  36. Feb 28, 2006
  37. 42ndSSD

    42ndSSD Dormant account

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    Holding the three deuces is the correct move over the long term, at least for full pay; I calculate an expected long-term return of ~$135 per draw to three wild cards (which seems to agree with VP Strategy Master's mystery algorithms :) )

    But to play devil's advocate, consider this: how often do you play video poker? By drawing to three deuces you'll hit a hand worth more than $75 only 8% of the time; 85% of the time you'll win a Super-Special Surprise! (Errrrr... hand worth less than $75.) Given the relatively low frequency of three deuces (once every 1,000 hands or so) you'll be playing for a while before you make up for the "surprises".

    I'd try for the jackpot, but I'm in this for the long haul... and the whole point of this is gambling, after all! :D If you don't try for the near-impossible hands when the odds are good you'll lose more money in the long run.
     

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