What is the true story behind The Frankstein slot by Netent?

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So, as far I've heard the slot was pulled because you could basically force a certain outcome during the bonus rounds, something to do with the multipliers.

Now that they are back out there and that has been fixed, could anyone shed some light on how you could cheat the slot? It shouldn't matter anymore right?

Netent ofcourse refused to admit anything when Letsgiveitaspin asked him at ICE.. :)
 

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I do not think we will ever know. The poster who reported it said they will not tell. They probably also signed some sort of NDA so they are silenced.

And as for Net Ent saying. They will never tell either. It will only tarnish them. And make them look bad lol

But I was also always curious. But it is just one of those things we will never know even though we would like to know lol :)
 

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Didn't Nicola know what it was? Happened a while ago, mind. Someone round these parts knows for sure. Just spill the beans already. Or make something up, not like we'd tell the difference! :oops:

Speaking of which, someone wheel out Trancemonkey. About time we found a use for him! :p

(He knows alright. Just like he knows slots are rigged)
 

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Didn't Nicola know what it was? Happened a while ago, mind. Someone round these parts knows for sure. Just spill the beans already. Or make something up, not like we'd tell the difference! :oops:

Speaking of which, someone wheel out Trancemonkey. About time we found a use for him! :p

(He knows alright. Just like he knows slots are rigged)
thats NOT what he said



he said RIGGED RIGGED I tells ya :p

I dont even recall...was it something to do with an exploit? Since the mults were rare and random on the 5th wheel, I'm not even sure what was exploited; still curious too
 

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thats NOT what he said



he said RIGGED RIGGED I tells ya :p

I dont even recall...was it something to do with an exploit? Since the mults were rare and random on the 5th wheel, I'm not even sure what was exploited; still curious too

If I recall, it was something to do with the fact you could stop the reel on the bonus symbol. I cant remember if that was it though. I read soo many things over the years. But it does seem that, that could be what it was. But it might be something completely different though! :p

But saying that, that above might have been a guess some others made in the thread at the time. So I might have just had that stick in my mind lol. As I said, I read a lot over the years :p :D :D
 

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thats NOT what he said



he said RIGGED RIGGED I tells ya :p

I dont even recall...was it something to do with an exploit? Since the mults were rare and random on the 5th wheel, I'm not even sure what was exploited; still curious too
You just had to say the 'R' word in this thread, didn't you!

I think you could type a sequence on your keyboard or something or other and trigger an exploit?

Word on the street was you had to type

“Even broken in spirit as he is, no one can feel more deeply than he does the beauties of nature. The starry sky, the sea, and every sight afforded by these wonderful regions, seems still to have the power of elevating his soul from earth. Such a man has a double existence: he may suffer misery, and be overwhelmed by disappointments; yet, when he has retired into himself, he will be like a celestial spirit that has a halo around him, within whose circle no grief or folly ventures"

to grant the player a 120% RTP, but these rumours are unfounded.
 
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You just had to say the 'R' word in this thread, didn't you!

I think you could trigger a sequence on your keyboard or something or other and trigger an exploit?

Word on the street was you had to type

“Even broken in spirit as he is, no one can feel more deeply than he does the beauties of nature. The starry sky, the sea, and every sight afforded by these wonderful regions, seems still to have the power of elevating his soul from earth. Such a man has a double existence: he may suffer misery, and be overwhelmed by disappointments; yet, when he has retired into himself, he will be like a celestial spirit that has a halo around him, within whose circle no grief or folly ventures"

to grant the player a 120% RTP, but these rumours are unfounded.

Well what ever the exploit was. I and I think many others would love to play a slot with 120% RTP lol who wouldn't lol.

Wouldn't it be great if a slot provider actually made a slot with 100% RTP :p it would still not mean they would lose money on it would it?

Because even slots that have 98% RTP we still have losing sessions on them lol. So what difference would that extra 2% make to actually winning?

I reckon the bigger slot providers could probably afford to do it, they could offset it with the other lower RTP slots in their portfolios. Oh am I dreaming again? hahahaha
 

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Well what ever the exploit was. I and I think many others would love to play a slot with 120% RTP lol who wouldn't lol.

Wouldn't it be great if a slot provider actually made a slot with 100% RTP :p it would still not mean they would lose money on it would it?

Because even slots that have 98% RTP we still have losing sessions on them lol. So what difference would that extra 2% make to actually winning?

I reckon the bigger slot providers could probably afford to do it, they could offset it with the other lower RTP slots in their portfolios. Oh am I dreaming again? hahahaha
I'm certain there's been a few slots close to or at 99%, sure I've heard it somewhere:cool:
 

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I seem to recall that it was some combination of keys pressed on a keyboard (which did something to the game but I do not know what); I must have read it somewhere here because I do not read any other gambling forum.
But it would make sense - from what Nicola posted, it seemed she stumbled across this by chance. And probably others did, too.

I took it as a great example and lesson - despite all the certification mechanisms, a coder was able to slip something like this in the software. So playing a slot has always been a double gamble to me since then :D (not knowing what the slot will do according to the set rules and not knowing what other additions might have been included in the slot on the sly).
 

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Ahhhhh this old chestnut :p

All I can say is honesty is the best policy when you notice a bug in a slot game. Afterall, it's the casino operator that loses out not the provider.
 

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I cant remember who it was, or on what slots, or if the games were ever even released in real play (aint i helpful..) , but there was someone here, i beleive a rep, who gave a key command here on ceartin slot(s) that triggered the bonus everytime u pressed them while in free play mode.

I wont ask if it was a similar command as i know i wont likely get an answer lol, but i did wonder if that was actually possible then this "combination" could have been used in test mode sorta thing, before frank went live, and somehow accidently not removed from the final release.
.....Or dare i say it... left in on purpose when released and someone(s) was slowly milking it in an not too obvious way?

I mean, you could in theory (if the above is at all possible to acheive!) Have a close friend playing lots of different casinos and triggering the bonus every so often when required, no need to take the piss constantly lol. and it would be hard to notice them doing it if also playing other slots, not to mention over many many casinos, seemingly in turn making it very hard to trace it back to whoever originally had the idea.

Bit like trancemonkeys favorite step brothers son possibly having a casino wide rtp on trancemonkeys particular game of about 969000% ;p
 

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Ahhhhh this old chestnut :p

All I can say is honesty is the best policy when you notice a bug in a slot game. Afterall, it's the casino operator that loses out not the provider.

So I take it you wont elaborate as to what it was if you know? would be nice to finally know the real reason behind it? lol
 

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of course there is back doors to every game everywhere,how else would the house bots clean up on all the games ready to pay:lolup::lolup::lolup:
 

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Wouldn't it be great if a slot provider actually made a slot with 100% RTP :p it would still not mean they would lose money on it would it?
BetVoyager have a whole casino suite of 100% RTP games (including slots).
The only "catch" is you pay a fee of 10% of your winnings (only) when you cash-out.
I think most people don't mind a charge being made only when they win. I'm surprised the casino isn't more popular...

Back on topic: Come on Nicola - spill the beans already - I REALLY want to know what the glitch was! :mad:

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If I recall, it was something to do with the fact you could stop the reel on the bonus symbol. I cant remember if that was it though. I read soo many things over the years. But it does seem that, that could be what it was. But it might be something completely different though! :p...

No, I can tell you it wasn't that. Frankenstein was one of my favorite Netent slots couple years ago. It was one of those few slots that would have a lower RTP if not played with maximum lines !

At some casinos you could stop the spin manually and at some you couldn't do that (like it was for Piggy Riches, another favorite of mine). I'm telling you 100%, you couldn't stop the spin and catch the 3rd mill to trigger the bonus.
Neither stop the spin when you saw one or two wilds rolling on the screen ! I do not know what the exploit was, but certainly was none of the above ! Later though, most (all ?) casinos didn't allowed the manual stop spin anymore.....
 

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...Wouldn't it be great if a slot provider actually made a slot with 100% RTP :p it would still not mean they would lose money on it would it?
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I reckon the bigger slot providers could probably afford to do it, they could offset it with the other lower RTP slots in their portfolios. Oh am I dreaming again? hahahaha

I'd say you're certainly not dreaming and it is not at all unlikely to wake up one morning and see a high variance 100% RTP non progressive slot game advertised as such ! Out there are a few no zero roulette games with 100% RTP, right ?
 

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I guess you can make a slot with 100% rtp which pays 10000000000000000000x stake but there's only a 1 in 100000000000000000000 chance of hitting it and the rest are dead spins . Fk it lets make it 200%rtp and pay 200000000000000000000x stake when you hit since it never will :p
 

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I'm certain there's been a few slots close to or at 99%, sure I've heard it somewhere:cool:

As far as I know, "Mega Joker" (progressive classic style slot from Netent) does have a 89.1 up to 99% RTP (depends on how skilled you play in the Supermeter mode).
And "Cosmic Quest - Mystery Planets" from Rival (non progressive slot) is advertised as 98.85% (regardless of how many active lines in play, and no skill involved to get to that) RTP.
 
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Ugga Bugga and that DreamRJ haahaha!!
Yeah, from Playtech are: "Goblin's Cave" 95.7% to 99.32 RTP (but skill based, pretty much like Mega Joker from Netent); "Ugga Bugga" 97% to 99.07% RTP (also skill based, like the other one); "Ocean Princess" 97% to 99.07% RTP (also skill based, like the other ones); "Tropic Reels" 97% to 98.95% RTP (also skill based, like the other ones).

Important and useful question: does anyone have the optimal (perfect) strategy for these Playtech skill based slots and can share with the community so that when we play these games, play with the smallest disadvantage ?

And around the 99% RTP figure from Playtech also worth mentioned "Cinerama", which is a progressive video slot with a 98.94% RTP (not skill based like all the others). But probably this RTP figure is not valid for the starting (seeded) Progressive Jackpot?
 

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I seem to recall that it was some combination of keys pressed on a keyboard (which did something to the game but I do not know what); I must have read it somewhere here because I do not read any other gambling forum.
But it would make sense - from what Nicola posted, it seemed she stumbled across this by chance. And probably others did, too.

I took it as a great example and lesson - despite all the certification mechanisms, a coder was able to slip something like this in the software. So playing a slot has always been a double gamble to me since then :D (not knowing what the slot will do according to the set rules and not knowing what other additions might have been included in the slot on the sly).

Yep, that must have been the case ! And your conclusion is standing up in my opinion too. Despite all the certifications and tests, from time to time we are proven that the are some back doors and games not functioning as designed to be functioning.

Would be useful if someone dig deep enough and find that thread or post/s (if it was not deleted) that you talk about ! Everyone is curious as Netent is a big name and a standing out one, making a couple new millionaires from average Joes every year.
 

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BetVoyager have a whole casino suite of 100% RTP games (including slots).
The only "catch" is you pay a fee of 10% of your winnings (only) when you cash-out.
I think most people don't mind a charge being made only when they win. I'm surprised the casino isn't more popular...

Back on topic: Come on Nicola - spill the beans already - I REALLY want to know what the glitch was! :mad:

KK

Betfair also had (still have?) a Zero Lounge room with effectively zero house edge on roulette and jacks or better video poker !
In the same section it also had a "almost" zero edge version of baccarat and blackjack. And were charging no fees on cash outs.
 

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Yep, that must have been the case ! And your conclusion is standing up in my opinion too. Despite all the certifications and tests, from time to time we are proven that the are some back doors and games not functioning as designed to be functioning.

Would be useful if someone dig deep enough and find that thread or post/s (if it was not deleted) that you talk about ! Everyone is curious as Netent is a big name and a standing out one, making a couple new millionaires from average Joes every year.

I can say that I'm quite knowledgeable surrounding the development process in this particular company. Although I do not know of the specifics of this particular case, more than what I've been reading on this forum.

To be clear, I've only heard that there supposedly was an issue through this forum.

I would however say that a backdoor, as described in Janek12's post, is highly unlikely. It would require several individuals from different sections of the company to pull something like that off. And then it also has to go unnoticed by the rest of the developers involved.

Possible? Yes. Plausible? Nah.

But, by mistake, I guess something like an in-game console could've been left in the production version of the game. Which could work in the way Janek12 describes, where a player by mistake opens the console by keyboard shortcut and would in that case get access to outcome controls. But if this was the case, several mistakes must've been made by several persons as well, as outcome controls are disabled on several places in the game/platform.
 
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