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What happens if a casino ask for your I.D (creditc card) and its expired

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by deepsky2, Sep 29, 2013.

    Sep 29, 2013
  1. deepsky2

    deepsky2 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    maintenance manager
    Location:
    toronto ontario canada
    Was just wondering I play at Spin Palace time to time and some other casinos that have never asked for I.D and I have made withdrawls. But was wondering being I have made some deposits with a credit card that has now expired and I no longer use and had the account closed as I got another card with better rates. What happens if they ask for this old credit card for I.D and I don't have it?
     
  2. Sep 29, 2013
  3. Andy Walker

    Andy Walker Full Member

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    Tax Payer
    Location:
    UK
    What planet are you on? expired cards simply don't work, you need to register the new one. The old one is done and dusted they have no care for it, it is the plastic it is but with no value, I doubt they need new I.D. you are an existing account holder?
     
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  4. Sep 29, 2013
  5. deepsky2

    deepsky2 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    maintenance manager
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    toronto ontario canada
    The new card is from a different bank it is registered but being I have made deposits in the past with a different card can they ask for that being I made deposits with it but now is expired and I never renew it.
    Hope Im being more clear.
     
  6. Sep 29, 2013
  7. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    On a less facetious note, I assume you mean if they ask for the credit card you made the actual deposits with back then? If you have it, it will be OK as it was valid when you made the deposits - if not a statement near the date of the last deposits. Remember a credit card proof is not for ID purposes but to prove the validity of your payments/deposits. If you have scanned it and sent it it protects the casino against chargebacks by providing irrefutable proof you made the deposits.
    Any old transactions you made with the expired card whether deposits or w/d's will be archived and settled now and would not be subject to proof requests by the casino anyway.
     
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  9. Andy Walker

    Andy Walker Full Member

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    Your old card is not usable it's expired the new one is fine when linked with a valid username, password and email address, is this not a simple concept to see?
     
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  11. Andy Walker

    Andy Walker Full Member

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    Oh bless :lolsign:
     
  12. Sep 29, 2013
  13. deepsky2

    deepsky2 Senior Member

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    maintenance manager
    Location:
    toronto ontario canada
    I understand that............ my point was being that they have never asked for ID or credit verification, say in the future being that I did make deposit with this old card in the past could they request verification of it. Being I don't have the card of or any old statements could it be a problem? would they even ask verification of a old card?
     
  14. Sep 29, 2013
  15. Borgie

    Borgie Senior Member

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    Really not sure why you are being so obnoxious. The op asked a valid question. A simple answer would suffice.
     
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  16. Sep 29, 2013
  17. Andy Walker

    Andy Walker Full Member

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    The new card links to the account if it did not you would not be able to play, sorry if my tone seemed interdependent I will make amends.
     
  18. Sep 29, 2013
  19. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    The op is asking as to whether or not the casino is going to ask for a copy of the card. It is a valid concern as we have seen casinos ask for scans of old/expired/pre paid cards before that people simply do not have anymore.

    I would jump on live chat before destroying the expired card and ask them if they will need a copy or if a statement will suffice if it arises down the track.
     
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  21. MisterBJ

    MisterBJ Account suspended until further notice - please co

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    Atlanta
    OP, If you have a copy of the old expired credit card. Scan a copy on file and save it. When sending in your forms. Send them a copy of the card as well. Let them know the card is no longer valid as it expired. But here's a copy for their records also.
     
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  22. Sep 29, 2013
  23. Andy Walker

    Andy Walker Full Member

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    UK
    In my experience an old card means nothing, as soon as the expiry date hits you have to prove once again who you are, submitting old credit card details as I.D. seems a nonsense and opens up a can of worms of confusion in the event of a high withdrawal.

    In other words our records show this audit trail for a card that has now expired but using a new one from a new company that may use different terms and conditions on how the card is used, what is a valid transaction and what is not permitted, technically the op may be violating the terms and conditions of the credit agreement on the card that stipulates the use of the card to gamble is a misuse and an unnecessary risk of the account.

    A typical example of a credit card is a maximum daily cash withdrawal of “X” amount but purchases, goods and services above and beyond the cash limit are allowed.

    There is the services part where buying a bed for example for “X” amount is considered proper use of the card but using it to buy services that give short or long term risk and/or high risk to the consumer would be exempt as it would seem an irresponsible act on the card lender.

    I am not here to deliberately step on peoples toes but sometimes you have say it how it is.
     
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  25. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Actually, I've had several casinos asking for copies of old CCs, or even ones going waaaayyyyy back to my first deposit. For me, as I explain to them, I always and only use prepaid CCs - i use it, I chuck it. I used to keep them, until well, let's say the pile is pretty offensive lol.
    In the end, the casinos have always been fine, and will take a scan (if needed) of my most recent card. If even that's been chucked, theyve foregone the procedure. Pretty much the casinos I play at now, know what a prepaid is, and dont bother with the scan at all
     
  26. Sep 30, 2013
  27. Andy Walker

    Andy Walker Full Member

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    Without Prejudice ​

    Upon reflection and speaking with friends on the phone I have to admit I was wrong, I don’t like being wrong but when this happens I have to hold my hands up and admit this.

    Your point is valid; submitting out of date details seems absurd but sometimes is necessary, I am deeply sorry for my prior posts and hope you can accept my apologies.

    Best regards
     
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  29. bsilva028

    bsilva028 Banned : multi-account fraudster PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    portugal

    yes, they can ask by the old card.

    do you have statetments of the old card or have you already destroyed all?
    what i suggest: (at least here is possible to do that)

    go to the bank of the old card and ask them for a statement or a copy before the casino ask, because casino may not ask, but they also can ask, and if they ask for it and you dont have it, and if a withdrawal is requested it will take more time.

    if you already have it, than, it will be faster
     
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  31. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    I would actually argue, if they requested it after 6 months from the last purchase, that it is pointless as you can't dispute the charges anyway and they have already been paid by the processor.

    If a casino did ask this after a year or something, I would stand my ground and even PAB if necessary.

    Although it seems less and less common to be asked for CC faxbacks/copies these days, for me anyhow.
     
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  32. Sep 30, 2013
  33. Andy Walker

    Andy Walker Full Member

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    UK
    I thought that too but fell on to my sword after asking friends who had similar issues, myself I would refuse to even contemplate such an action, I see and still now disagree that old card details have a valid audit trial, they are past, spent and have no compliance to an existing bank account.

    I’ve always been told by my bank to cut up and destroy expired cards even when they go through the transition where you can still use the old card but it is best to use the new one.

    In my experience as soon as you use the new card, the old one has no relevance and is actually a security risk.

    Sorry to go on
     
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  35. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Well, if you all practice good housekeeping and scan your relevant credit cards, bills and ID at the time of signing up and keep 'em in a folder then it really isn't an issue if they ask months after the card has expired. You'll have the scan there ready. As Nifty says chargeback period is 180 days, so pointless them asking after that has expired, but even so if you manage your card online you'll still have access to the last 12 months of statements.
     
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  36. Sep 30, 2013
  37. Firehawk

    Firehawk Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Masterton
    I'm sure this wont amaze you as you have probably heard it before but I had a dead credit card which I told this
    particular casino about one time when it came to the crunch at verification up till then no probs but soon as some
    money was requested at the all famous withdrawal then needed proof.
    I was asked at this time to provide a teller stamped verification of my account because the old card was somewhere down
    at the local dump lo.
    Without mentioning any names of casinos that same card was simply deleted off the system its not a biggie if no dispute arises in a set amount of time its not really an issue but you can expect delay tactics if they can find an excuse aye ?
     
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  39. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Asking ID upon first w/d is pretty standard practice, so don't worry. If the casino is accredited then they would be reasonable and wouldn't delay over something like this. Their system simply requires them to have a proof of all payment methods both historic and current.
     
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