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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by KasinoKing, Jun 18, 2014.

    Jun 18, 2014
  1. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Found these bonus terms in a casino I've been looking at and I'm struggling to understand them, so what do YOU think, dear CM members?

    This is all part of 1 term on the site, but I've deliberately split it by the sentences here:
    "The Deposit Bonus cannot be withdrawn as cash and can only be used to play the Games.
    You may withdraw any winnings gained from the use of your Deposit Bonus only after you wagered at least 50 times your Deposit Bonus.
    If you have opted out from receiving the Complimentary Bonus, then you may withdraw any winnings gained from the use of your Deposit Bonus only after you wagered at least 5 times your Deposit Bonus."


    Q1) Reading sentences 1 & 2, do you think this is a Cashable Bonus, or a Phantom one (bonus funds removed when you cash out)?

    Q2) What do you think sentence 3 means exactly?

    KK
     
  2. Jun 18, 2014
  3. gagamel

    gagamel Professional smurf hunter MM

    Occupation:
    Care Manager
    Location:
    Switzerland
    Q1: Phantom bonus

    Q2: Sorry, I have no idea :oops:
     
  4. Jun 18, 2014
  5. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    No 1, thats like a 25x b&d on a 100% which is about the norm now days,
    2nd, How on earth can you turn bonus over 5x if you do not have 1 to begin with if u opt out, point us to the site KK
    Who ever does or makes these rules I do not no, But just goes and show that dipsticks are running alot of sites now days, And we more of dipsticks by deposit on um lol
     
  6. Jun 18, 2014
  7. IanO

    IanO Regular Human

    Occupation:
    Marketing and promotions
    Location:
    Ireland.
    To me it looks like the casino in question has (or had?) a free XX offer just for registering, and if you take that the WR is 50X. If you opt out of the free cash and ONLY take the phantom bonus that comes with your deposit, that playthrough drops to 5X ?? Thats how I interpret it, but that cant be right can it??
     
  8. Jun 18, 2014
  9. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Ian, I can see if you took a free bonus out, and deposit just to withdraw than wager is more than fair BUT it mention nothing about frrebies just depo bonus, whicj=h if u dnt take out than there is not 1,
    Nearly as bad as 1 withdraw per week :)
     
  10. Jun 18, 2014
  11. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    It means the bonus is phantom, treated as one and tied in with your deposit so it is all effectively bonus funds. You either make the 50x WR at which point the bonus amount disappears from your balance and cash something out, or you lose the lot.
    Sentence 3 reads almost as if they have got 'complimentary' and 'deposit' switched round. If not then not taking the freebie means you have reduced your WR to 5x which is nonsense.
    Either it should say 50x instead of 5x, or more likely IF you win from your complimentary chip I reckon in order to withdraw you must turn your deposit over 5x first.
    In fact that's bollocks because it states if you opt out of the comp.
    Actually sentence 3 is all complete bollocks and CS should be immediately asked to explain it before depositing to anyone thinking of playing there.
     
  12. Jun 18, 2014
  13. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    In all fairness peeps I have blown a gasket trying to read fuk*ng t&c from sites, I do not like mention sites but why not simple instructions? Look at the ips aldernaly site and there csasinos, Simple rules & not omly that but but compare to most sites ther wgaer is good, It is a few days on hold but someting other sites should look at, I wouls rater wait a day or to b4 geting paid than a day or two trying to understand terms
     
  14. Jun 18, 2014
  15. SlotsLover

    SlotsLover Senior Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred3 MM PABinit PABaccred

    Occupation:
    teacher
    Location:
    California
    1. Phantom bonus

    2. I believe the word "bonus" should be excluded and that it means the deposit must be rolled over 5x before a withdrawal.
     
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  16. Jun 18, 2014
  17. IanO

    IanO Regular Human

    Occupation:
    Marketing and promotions
    Location:
    Ireland.
    Ohh, that would certainly make sense. (more sense that I could make from them :) )

    KK... what did support say when you asked them? (or have you not yet?)
     
  18. Jun 18, 2014
  19. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I don't want to say yet. First I want to see if other members are as confused as I was.
    Also, I have now asked them twice to explain the 3rd sentence and am still awaiting a further reply. I guess the enigma decoding machine must be fully booked today!:rolleyes:

    KK
     
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  20. Jun 18, 2014
  21. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    Are you planning to promote these guys? Seems like a bad decision at the moment. :rolleyes: Even worse, to deposit there! :D
     
  22. Jun 18, 2014
  23. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    The site is luckywinslots.com

    Actually KK if you had provided ALL the terms we would have had some context to your 'sentence 3'.
    It makes sense now. Basically the seemingly generous 5% in your post is just a silly variation some sites use to disguise heavy WR's.
    They do this by reducing the contribution of certain games, so guess what?? If the contributions were 100% you'd still end up playing 50x bonus or deposit.


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  24. Jun 18, 2014
  25. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    And more crap terms......

    27. Subject to these Terms and Conditions (including, but not limited to, certain requirements from You in connection with such withdrawals), the settlement time for each withdrawal depends on the withdrawal method, as follows: (i) Credit and debit cards – up to 10 business days; (ii) Neteller – up to five business days; (iii) Skrill (Moneybookers) – up to 7 business days; (iv) Cheque – up to 32 business days; (v) Bank transfer – up to 14 business days; (vi) Ukash – up to five business days.


    28. We draw Your attention to the following additional withdrawal restrictions: (a) Visa credit and debit card withdrawals are not available in certain jurisdictions due to local issuer restrictions; (b) MasterCard credit and debit card withdrawals are not available due to issuer restrictions; (c) the maximum withdrawal amount per account is (i) 1,500 £/$/€ per week, and (ii) 3,000 £/$/€ per month, except in the case of progressive jackpot winning.

    Slow withdrawals, and God forbid you get a CM 'mega screenshot' of 3000+ x stake on anything but minimum stake because they have a poxy w/d limit of 1500 euro/$/£ per week.

    I hope if you promote this lot you point that out. It sucks. :(
     
  26. Jun 19, 2014
  27. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

    Occupation:
    IT Manager
    Location:
    Florida, USA
    None of this makes any sense to me at all. Complimentary bonus, deposit bonus....blah blah blah....my eyes hurt and are bleeding just from trying to read this crap.
    The worst part is that you automatically get the bonuses and then have to opt out(I think) so most people will probably never cash out on this bonus because it's completely undefinable.

    I would never play here.
     
  28. Jun 19, 2014
  29. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    Freelance Designer
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    Yes that's what I thought too. If so then it's crap.

    orrrr....could it be casinomoolah.com?
     
  30. Jun 19, 2014
  31. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

    Occupation:
    A bit of this and that
    Location:
    EU
    Yes, it is a phantom bonus. Yes, there is another ND bonus. If you opt out from the ND bonus, your WR is only 5x on the deposit bonus.

    Back, in the old good days (7 years ago), I used to enjoy 1x, and 4x WR on MG accredited casinos..………… good times. :cool:
     
  32. Jun 19, 2014
  33. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    Definitely not a cashable bonus but not necessarily phantom either as it does not say that the bonus is removed after cashing out. There were a couple of casinos in the past that allowed the bonus to remain in the account even after a cashout.

    As for sentence 3 look no further than the reply from Slots Lover.
     
  34. Jun 19, 2014
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    No, it's not actually - and that's not a casino in the group I'm looking at either.

    Looks like that term is IDENTICAL though (and the rest too probably - I haven't had time to check) - so someone has been copying someone else's site!
    (Either that, or they are carefully hiding the link between the two groups).

    Nope - not that one either.


    Interesting that everyone who has replied so far agrees with me, that it reads like it's a Phantom bonus, because when I asked about it I was assured it's Cashable.
    I was actually looking at promoting this group, but until they get their bonus terms sorted out (for starters), they can take a running jump!

    KK
     
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  36. Jun 19, 2014
  37. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Well it's highly suspicious that supposedly unrelated sites have IDENTICAL T&C's. Either that or there is some serious plagiarising occurring.
    Whichever, I agree that you should avoid them until all is clarified.
    Or maybe I simply supplied more than one site in my role as 'unofficial T&C's editor'.....:D
     

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