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What casinos were looking out for the US player ?

Discussion in 'America the Beautiful' started by GGW Laurie, Jun 3, 2010.

    Jun 3, 2010
  1. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Self Employed
    Location:
    In the Beautiful South !!
    Well the June 1, 2010 deadline came and went and the US player has been kicked to the curb again.

    Microgaming doesnt seem to know what they intend to do from one day to the next concerning the American market, which is huge by the way and yet they still treat us like second class citizens.

    I was really happy that some casinos have been on the ball and were prepared for the credit and debit card transactions, while some were not.

    3 Dice has always said Netspend was the prepaid card to use, well think again folks, its no longer welcome there, for US players its either QT or E wallet if you wish to play. There is no problem with this card or other pre paid cards at other casinos, those casinos were prepared for this to happen and had processors in place to make sure the American player was taken care of.

    So what will 3 Dice do, will they bring in different processors, like some of the better prepared casinos or will we be kicked to the curb again by yet another casino, who has made a huge profit off the American player, who has so ever remained loyal to them .

    Get prepared casinos, take care of your US players , we do make up half of your bread and butter.


    Laurie
     
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  2. Jun 3, 2010
  3. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA
    I was wondering about this also....I asked in the other thread but no one answered yet.

    So Laurie, I can deposit at RTG's/Rival with my Netspend?

    I went and asked at 3Dice about Netspend today and was told they no longer accept that card. Which sucks for us because it costs $4.95 to load, then 5% to load QT. So if I am loading $100, it will cost me $10.95 before I even click a spin. Where as it would cost $5.95 before. ($4.95 to load and then the $1.00 charge) it's not a big difference, but if you like to load your card with the smallest amounts possible instead of a huge lump sum, it adds up.

    What I don't understand is why people aren't putting up more of a fuss, even non-gamblers. We are being told what to do with OUR MONEY. It makes no sense to me. Next week are they going to tell me what colors my clothes have to be on certain days?
     
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  4. Jun 3, 2010
  5. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

    Occupation:
    mom
    Location:
    az
    yes and then they will tell us what we can eat and weather or not we can use salt and then we will have no rights at all left caz we r not making a big enough noise for obama and his puppits to hear.
     
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  6. Jun 3, 2010
  7. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Self Employed
    Location:
    In the Beautiful South !!

    Yes just play, you can use your Netspend at some RTG casinos, i used my small amount i had on my card at a reputable RTG listed casino, the billing codes were different from before , so it leads me to conclude that some casinos were thinking ahead of the game, while others did nothing.


    Laurie
     
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  8. Jun 3, 2010
  9. kakata

    kakata Banned User - hyper flamming PABnonaccred PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    it will only cost $2 to re-load a netspend card if you go to any check cashing store.:thumbsup:
     
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  10. Jun 3, 2010
  11. lost2much

    lost2much Banned User

    Occupation:
    pharmacy
    Location:
    NorCal
    Hi Laurie,

    Have you heard anything concerning QTs ability to handle withdrawls into our bank account?? If they can't get the transaction into our bank accounts, then there really is no reason to play. I hope QT has this part figured out, otherwise we will have to wait for the next BIG thing in processors to come along. So sad to be at the mercy of one option, I look for QT fees to increase if they handle the withdrawl issue (just my feeling). I know this has been mentioned in other threads, but someone, anyone that has used the QT withdrawl sucessfully, PLEASE LET US KNOW! Holy Shit! The sky really is falling!!

    Brian
     
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  12. Jun 3, 2010
  13. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Self Employed
    Location:
    In the Beautiful South !!
    Its my honest opinion that any QT withdrawals to your bank account will be fine, as it will not appear as a gaming transaction but merely an international wire coming in, alot of people get paid by their employers this way that work abroad or online , so i have no worries about QT, i worry about the casinos finding new options for the American player.

    Every American player should be asking their casino reps that question right now, if you dont ask, they wont get on the ball like some of the other casinos that do not wish to lose such a vast market.


    Laurie
     
  14. Jun 3, 2010
  15. just play

    just play closed account

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    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA
    We don't have any around here. I would have to drive to the big city which is about 20 minutes away. With gas prices it probably equals out.

    I believe Anniemac is going to keep us updated, she is waiting for one. It's in the other thread. (netspend phone call)
     
  16. Jun 3, 2010
  17. lost2much

    lost2much Banned User

    Occupation:
    pharmacy
    Location:
    NorCal
    I hope you're right Laurie, but most banks tend to scrutinize foreign bank wires a little more closely (many comments here on various threads about how "my bank won't accept an international bank wire"). I just hope that QT is the golden loophole (so to speak). I tell ya, if they do figure it out, they will corner THE market (no offense to you out of towners). If I were QT I'd be working overtime to ensure the big windfall!
     
  18. Jun 3, 2010
  19. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

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    In the Beautiful South !!
    Just got off chat with a nice lady from QT, we (US) should be just fine, make sure all your banking details are in order tho', that is a big must do:thumbsup:


    Laurie
     
  20. Jun 3, 2010
  21. PNWGirl38

    PNWGirl38 Senior Member

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    Speak w/ your wallent, folks.

    Don't spend a dime w/ MG Casino's.

    They have treated US players like 3rd class citizens.

    I mean, come on folks. Stop depositing at ANY MG USA friendly Casino's!!!

    Why be from the USA and promote Casinos like MG, is totally beyond me.

    Is the USA affliliates more interesting making a buck off us USA players, even tho they are fully aware of the crap MG has delt the USA players w/o warning. <just sayin>
     
  22. Jun 3, 2010
  23. love2winalot

    love2winalot Dormant account

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    Hiya: I am Soooooooooooooooooo Glad I left................My hair is not falling out as fast now, and the other ones are not as grey as before........or maybe my mirror is dirty?;)
     
  24. Jun 3, 2010
  25. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Web Dev.
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    England
    Without meaning to sound like a party pooper :)D) why are people blaming the casinos when it was the software provider that pulled out. And why are people blaming the software provider when its the Government that have effectively told them to go?

    I see a bigger picture here that will actually benefit US players. If MG pull out now and stay on the right side of the Government, they stand a much better chance of getting a US licence - and deals with US companies - when they come online. RTG are basically f**ked on that front and will have to operate outside the law eventually.

    Short term pain, long term gain, surely, or am I missing something obvious here :confused:

    Cheers

    Simmo!
     
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  27. PNWGirl38

    PNWGirl38 Senior Member

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    ~~~~~> AKA People

    There is plenty of blame going around. Yes, it's our gov.

    My beef was w/ ONE Casino... and that is the way they handled it.

    The software as well is to carry a share of blame.

    The software provider treated US players like 3rd class citizens...ie, play no new games, no progressives.

    US the USA Players can carry the blame, for we kept on depositing there.

    To quote a Rep to one Casino...... was mainly, why would we have warned US players they had three days left to play.

    Sorry Simmo! but my friend that is happy horse shit.

    It's bad enough our goverment is messing w/ our rights.....

    Then we have MG Casinos/software messing w/ us........... for a rather long time.

    People can blame all they want on our goverment. Trust me, I do. When I also put some blame on MGCasinos/software!

    Signed:
    AKA People :cool:
     
  28. Jun 3, 2010
  29. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Web Dev.
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    England
    There's kinda two problems here: one is the pullout itself, the other is communication. I don't really think MG had a choice on the first one, but the second one could have been handled better for sure. That said, we at Meisterland all pretty much saw it coming at least a couple of weeks before it happened so at least this time wasn't quite the nasty surprise that was handed out back in 2007 when Playtech and MG ops pulled out first time round.

    Edited To Add: we also don't know how this change will affect payment processing. If it turns out processors can't operate, you'll have a faction saying well the casinos are quick to take our money but don't pay out. It's a no-win really - whatever decision is taken, there will be people upset and frustrated.
     
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  30. Jun 3, 2010
  31. love2winalot

    love2winalot Dormant account

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    Hiya: I think one thing keeps getting overlooked. America is not, "Anyones sole customer base". There is no Casino, or software, or merchant provider, "ie, click2pay", that services american players only. Most of the American player base left years ago, just after Neteller and Moneybookers said they do not want to lose their entire customer base, just to keep the Americans, and keep getting fined for doing it.

    If you look at this from the other side of the fence, it is verry different. I am a perfect example. Should i risk playing at a Casino that is still allowing players from America? Should I risk using a Money transfer service, that is still moving money in/out of Casino's for American players, and risk them leaving the market like Neteller did?

    Taking care of American players is one thing. Doing so, without putting your entire operation at risk is quit another. If this was not true, Both Neteller & Moneybookers would still service USA Players. All the Casino's that pulled out of the USA Market would have stayed. They did Not, and they did not, "FOR A REASON".
     
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  32. Jun 3, 2010
  33. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    The one HUGE problem is no-one knows when the "long term gain" will arrive...
    Will it be in 6 weeks time?... or 6 months?... or 6 years?... or never? :eek:

    If American players knew the answer to this question I'm sure the "pain" would be much easier to tolerate...

    KK
     
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  34. Jun 3, 2010
  35. lost2much

    lost2much Banned User

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    NorCal
    Exactly KK, and with the prospects of a big Republican congressional takeover looming as a distinct possibility, the long term situation may very well get worse over time instead of better. The republicans aren't going to ease up on this issue, the dems may not have power to affect it either. Sad to say, but I think B. Frank's efforts on our behalf died a wimpering death! Best hope is that the banks become so burdened trying to sort out what is and isn't gambling transactions that they lobby the congress to undo this law. I guess that if mis-coding transactions has worked so far, see no reason why it won't continue. Stalemate.
     
  36. Jun 3, 2010
  37. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    England
    One advantage of allowing the States to decide on their own is that it is less likely to matter which party gets in next time round. If they start opening it up State by State, and it proves lucrative, the next Government won't be able to easily blanket ban it.

    It's gaining momentum now:

     
  38. Jun 3, 2010
  39. Antonia1953

    Antonia1953 Senior Member

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    The Sonora
    Considering the economic standpoint and the history of failure in implementing prohibitions on it's citizens in this country, the US should have been onboard a long time ago. Prohibition brings civil disobedience, which in turn, puts people in harms way because of the "black market" end of the industry they are forced to associate with. "Pushers" are never fair.

    Yes, the US government is guilty of being short-sighted and over-stepping their boundaries. Gambling regulations are the states domain and the processing of deposits should be handled the same way they are now in landbased casinos. The problem is in processing withdrawals.

    No, the US government's decision to ban gambling does not excuse the online casinos for taking advantage of the US players that are standing in civil disobedience against their country's tyranny. We feel they should be more appreciative, but that is because we assume they want online gambling legalized in the US. Alcohol prohibition in this country generated a new and prosperous industry for the underbelly of society. The end of prohibition was financially devastating for that underbelly.
     
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