What ARE the UKGC rules regarding Autospin and RTP display?

brianmon

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There seem to be some inconsistencies between game providers, and some casinos

A few examples

Netent - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 100 - compulsory loss limit
MGS - NO RTP info - limit autospins to 100 - compulsory loss limit
P&G - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 50 - NO compulsory loss limit
WMS - RTP in paytable - n/a (no autospins)
BTG - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 100 - NO compulsory loss limit
Thunderkick RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 5000 - NO compulsory loss limit (so basically, No limits)

As far as I know, the 100 spins is compulsory. But is the loss limit also compulsory?


Most casinos have an RTP% page or even display the RTP% along side each game (slotty Vegas IIRC).
While others ,for example Casumo don't seem to have any RTP% info.

So how do I know what the RTP% of an MGS game is at Casumo?


Do the UKGC actually check these things before issuing a license?
 

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As far as I know both the loss limit and RTP are compulsory.

It varies between casino's too, for example, play and go have a compulsory loss limit on some casino's, and some they don't (videoslots is one from memory)
 

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There seem to be some inconsistencies between game providers, and some casinos

A few examples

Netent - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 100 - compulsory loss limit
MGS - NO RTP info - limit autospins to 100 - compulsory loss limit
P&G - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 50 - NO compulsory loss limit
WMS - RTP in paytable - n/a (no autospins)
BTG - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 100 - NO compulsory loss limit
Thunderkick RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 5000 - NO compulsory loss limit (so basically, No limits)

As far as I know, the 100 spins is compulsory. But is the loss limit also compulsory?


Most casinos have an RTP% page or even display the RTP% along side each game (slotty Vegas IIRC).
While others ,for example Casumo don't seem to have any RTP% info.

So how do I know what the RTP% of an MGS game is at Casumo?


Do the UKGC actually check these things before issuing a license?

An MGS game will have the same RTP wherever it is found as the casino cannot change it.
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They are here along with the other major developers.

I agree though that some casinos list the RTP for their games, some don't possibly because in most you can see it in the rules or help facility the slot has.

There are no rules on how much the RTP should be nor whether the casino should list them. As long as the game is audited and approved by the UKGC that's pretty much it.

You should though be able to set a loss limit, that IS in the rules. That's why WMS have removed autoplay as they don't have the tool to satisfy UKGC rules. BGT you do have to set a loss limit?? I'm pretty sure I had to last time I played that bastard Bonanza slot. The rules may be woolly there, as they may specify the loss limit must be available, but not whether the player MUST use it on autoplay? The UKGC rules are full of loppholes as we've seen before though.
 

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There seem to be some inconsistencies between game providers, and some casinos

A few examples

Netent - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 100 - compulsory loss limit
MGS - NO RTP info - limit autospins to 100 - compulsory loss limit
P&G - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 50 - NO compulsory loss limit
WMS - RTP in paytable - n/a (no autospins)
BTG - RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 100 - NO compulsory loss limit
Thunderkick RTP in the help file - limit autospins to 5000 - NO compulsory loss limit (so basically, No limits)

As far as I know, the 100 spins is compulsory. But is the loss limit also compulsory?


Most casinos have an RTP% page or even display the RTP% along side each game (slotty Vegas IIRC).
While others ,for example Casumo don't seem to have any RTP% info.

So how do I know what the RTP% of an MGS game is at Casumo?


Do the UKGC actually check these things before issuing a license?



I think most is covered in the UKGC Remote Technical Standards document.

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colinsunderland

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I think most is covered in the UKGC Remote Technical Standards document.

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The gambling system must provide easily accessible facilities that:
(a) make available the following three controls, each of which stops auto-play functionality
when it is triggered-
(i) ‘loss limit’, ie where the player selects an option to not lose more than X from
their starting balance, where X is an amount that can be selected by the player. A
‘loss’ in this context equates to accumulated auto-play bets minus accumulated
auto-play wins.
(ii) ‘single win limit’ ie single win greater than Y where Y is an amount that can be
selected by the player and
(iii) ‘jackpot win’ (where applicable).
(b) require auto-play to be implemented in such a way that each time a customer chooses
to use auto-play they must select the stake, the number of auto-play gambles and at least
the first of the above three controls.

The number of auto-play gambles must not exceed 100 in one batch. During auto-play the
customer must be able to stop the auto-play regardless of how many auto-play gambles they
initially chose or how many remain

To me, thats stating a loss limit MUST be entered

b. For betting, gambling history should include bets placed, and the results of bets, including
winnings paid. For gaming (including bingo) full or summarised gaming information should be
available, for example, £10 taken into game, £100 turned over, £3 taken away from game.

Some casino's don't do that, for example videoslots.
 

colinsunderland

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Agree BUT let's not pick a fight on this. The mandatory loss limit setting is an unnecessary pain in the arse.

So is the 100 spin limit.

True nanny statism from the scum at UKGC.

Oh believe me I'm not lol, certainly don't want it introducing into casino's that ignore it :D. Do wonder how they actually get a license though, do the UKGC not check anything out before granting one?
 

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That's what I said - the loss limit IS in the rules specifically. And you DO have to set it on BGT slots.

Loss-limit is really a pointless exercise in running your finger along the keyboard to start playing and entering '23456789' or some other pointless shit.
 

brianmon

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I think most is covered in the UKGC Remote Technical Standards document.

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Thanks for the link :thumbsup:


An MGS game will have the same RTP wherever it is found as the casino cannot change it.
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They are here along with the other major developers.

I agree though that some casinos list the RTP for their games, some don't possibly because in most you can see it in the rules or help facility the slot has.

There are no rules on how much the RTP should be nor whether the casino should list them. As long as the game is audited and approved by the UKGC that's pretty much it.


RTS requirement 3C
For each virtual event, game (including bingo), or lottery, information that may reasonably be
expected to enable the customer to make an informed decision about his or her chances of
winning must be easily available before the customer commits to gamble. Information must
include:

i. a description of the way the game works and the way in which winners are determined
and prizes allocated;
ii. house edge (or margin);
iii. the return to player (RTP) percentage; or
iv. the probability (likelihood) of winning events occurring.

As far as MGS is concerned. There was a time when we thought that only RTG had multiple RTP settings.
But it's recently been stated by supposedly reliable sources that most (if not all) game providers produce multiple RTP settings.
Is this why MGS don't list the RTP in the help file?
Then the onus is on the casino to display it

You should though be able to set a loss limit, that IS in the rules. That's why WMS have removed autoplay as they don't have the tool to satisfy UKGC rules. BGT you do have to set a loss limit?? I'm pretty sure I had to last time I played that bastard Bonanza slot. The rules may be woolly there, as they may specify the loss limit must be available, but not whether the player MUST use it on autoplay? The UKGC rules are full of loppholes as we've seen before though.

This provision comes into force on 30 April 2016
RTS aim 8
To ensure that the customer is still in control of the gambling where auto-play functionality is
provided.
RTS requirement 8A
The gambling system must provide easily accessible facilities that:
(a) make available the following three controls, each of which stops auto-play functionality
when it is triggered-

(i) ‘loss limit’, ie where the player selects an option to not lose more than X from
their starting balance, where X is an amount that can be selected by the player. A
‘loss’ in this context equates to accumulated auto-play bets minus accumulated
auto-play wins.

(ii) ‘single win limit’ ie single win greater than Y where Y is an amount that can be
selected by the player and

(iii) ‘jackpot win’ (where applicable).

(b) require auto-play to be implemented in such a way that each time a customer chooses
to use auto-play they must select the stake, the number of auto-play gambles and at least
the first of the above three controls.


As far as BTG goes, you do have to change the loss limit setting. but it can be changed to no limit.


BTW, I'm completely against all these auto-play rules. I'm just don't get all the inconsistencies that UKGC allow to happen
 

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The UKGC seem to be a complete oxymoron. Highest rated licensee on here, and any casino that you join who are licensed by them are almost always completely trustworthy (and you feel comfortable joining and depositing at).

And yet... they have some bizarre rules and restrictions, allow shoddy operations to have gambling licenses, and are utterly inconsistent across the board :confused:
I believe I started a thread some time ago asking what was so good about the UKGC.
 

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The autoplay restrictions are so annoying its unreal.

The UKGC love treating everyone like 5 year olds, and when they should take action to stop a dodgy casino/practice etc they do sod all.
 
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