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WBN and multiple account rule "gotcha"

Discussion in 'Bingo!' started by NAVYMANS-MOM, Mar 29, 2009.

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    Mar 29, 2009
  1. NAVYMANS-MOM

    NAVYMANS-MOM Dormant account PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Computer Tech Support
    Location:
    Southwest Virginia
    I have been a long time member of the WBN network, mainly BingoWorkz. I never deposited to any of their networked sites until the end of January or beginning of February 2009. I had no problems depositing, playing the games, sending tt's to ask questions, nor did I have any problems in the chat rooms.

    Immediately after running out of money to play, I made the decision to not deposit there anymore and sent a tt and an email requesting that they close my account. However, within three minutes of sending that tt/email, I received an email from them telling me that because I have multiple accounts with them, I would not be able to play any of their promotions or win/cashout anything, etc. (I have the email still.) I wrote back and pointed out the timing of this notification as being suspicious since I never received anything from them in years about having multiple accounts with them until I actually deposited, played, and spent the entire amount.

    I suspect that because WBN had recently acquired a couple of other sites and merged them into their network, those particular sites are the ones that flagged the 'multiple account' issue because I also had belonged to those newly merged sites. However, there is nothing on their site that indicated that these extra sites were going to be a problem for any members who had also belonged to them.

    The following is my response to their email and I urge everyone to be aware of a potential problem with WBN if you belong to any of the following sites because two of them are new to their network.


    The worst part of this is that WBN normally has an easy to find list of all of their sites (or at least they used to have it) and it was easy to send a tt asking that all accounts be closed that are considered to be multiples, which I had done about a year or so ago when I first started doing a search for BPU about all the sites that had numerous sisters. I specifically sent emails, sent tt's, or went into Live Help at all sites I knew I had already signed up at in order to avoid a multiple account issue at all of them. The fact that I was always going into my accounts everywhere and updating my profile for new email addresses, phone numbers, etc. left it wide open for these networks to get in touch with me regarding any changes made at their sites. I was getting emails from WBN on a weekly basis telling me about promos, comped bb's because I hadn't been there for a month, etc., and there was never a single word that they had acquired some very old sites I had registered at years ago and never had gone back to because I either I had forgotten about them, they were part of the UK sites that no longer allowed USA players, etc. Had I known they had acquired those sites, I would have again told WBN to close those accounts out in order to stay in good standing at WBN with no multiple accounts. Instead, they bided their time waiting for me to finally deposit, play out the entire balance, received my email requesting they close my account because I didn't care for the same winners in rooms that had over 80 players each and the odds were ridiculous that those few winners would continuously be so 'lucky', and within three minutes according to the email time stamps emailed me back to tell me I was basically no longer welcome at their site because of 'multiple accounts'. They gave no indication about how they determined that and it took me about twenty minutes of searching my mailbox folder for registered accounts at bingo sites to locate the two new sites they acquired for me to realize that those two old sites were probably the 'gotcha' and had I won anything substantial at Workz, I would have been denied a payout request. All through no fault of my own because there was no way for me to suspect after four years that they had recently acquired those sites without players being notified of it. You would think that when those sites were acquired that they would have sent a warning notice to any and all players at those sites that we had 'x' amount of time to close those accounts in order to stay in good standing with WBN. If I hadn't closed my account with WBN on my own just before receiving that 'multiple accounts' email from them, I would have had to forfeit any and all winnings I might have been lucky enough to steal away from one of their 'same winners'.

    Let this be a lesson to all of us.....contact support via email, tt's, or Live Help frequently (at least every month or so) and ask them if they have acquired any new sites recently and if you have any multiple accounts without realizing you do. Get a complete list of all networked sister sites so you can compare that list with any saved registration information you have accumulated over the years. Protect yourself and your deposits, winnings, etc. because it's obvious that even the 'old timer' bingo sites are still yanking the rug out from under you any chance they get. Don't just look at and read their rules for changes made....some changes are NEVER going to be in the rules, such as merging older sites into their network, and those changes are the ones that will come back to bite you.

    AJH
     
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  2. Mar 29, 2009
  3. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Did Sandie finish school:confused: "PLEASE NOTE THE FINE PRINT layers with ACTIVE duplicate accounts .......". Almost meaningless, particularly since this seems to be a UK site/network.

    When a group takes over other sites, they should NOT use the change of ownership to spring a confiscation of winnings on active players on their CURRENT played accounts.

    Lucky you didn't win & cash out, but it seems clear they were not going to tell you about this whilst they were receiving your deposits. Since they would never have paid, you are entitled to the return of your deposits, and the first step in making this group face up to this gross incompetence is to PAB. If there is any hint of this being anything more sinister than gross incompetence, this should at least generate a CM warning and help other players who are being lead into the same trap.

    Players have been advised (by me, as well as others), to keep lists of ALL accounts they have EVER opened, so that they can cross check with their currently active accounts to avoid these multiple account issues. You have done this, updated your profile regularly even in dormant accounts, and asked for support to double check for duplicates. Despite doing all this, they have STILL managed to conveniently find a shed load of problems ONLY after you decided not to play any longer.

    If the same player, or group of players, keep winning, it is probably because they usually buy the maximum allowed number of cards. This would then easily be within expectations for a random sequence of called numbers.
    Even with 80 players, if 70 buy only a small number of cards, and 10 buy loads, these 10 will still appear to win a disproportionate number of games.
     
  4. Mar 29, 2009
  5. NAVYMANS-MOM

    NAVYMANS-MOM Dormant account PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Computer Tech Support
    Location:
    Southwest Virginia
    What is a PAB?

    I never even considered the possibility of getting my deposits returned due to their never informing me (or probably anybody else either) of the merger with sites I had belonged to years ago. Thanks for the nudge in that direction...now I just have to find out how to go about trying to get it.

    AJH
     
  6. Mar 29, 2009
  7. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
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  9. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    service
    Location:
    US of A
    gawd, most bingo sites are just terrible.

    I would love to play some legit bingo but most of the sites seem a joke.
     
  10. Mar 30, 2009
  11. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    Per the OP's request I am temporarily closing this thread while I process their PAB.
     
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