Watched Free Spins Today For 1.5 Hours At Bodog

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I was playing on Bodog today and betting $2.00 on Raindance and hit the free spins. All five scatters at once for 100 free spins. Well while I was in the free spin mode I hit the free spins again 6 times and yes I said six times for a total of 700 FREE SPINS........Damn.....:D :D :D

Well this was a first for me, the total pay topped out at $4,000.00 stopping the free spin mode with 273 spins left to go, I guess RTG has this set to stop at a certain dollar amount no matter how many free spins you get or else it could run for days I guess. I watched the free spins turn for one and a half hours...1.5 hours...un-freaking-real.....Yea Bodog.....:notworthy

Here's the final screen shot...........Just before I took this screen shot, a message popped up and said " Maximum Bonus Feature Reached"
 
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RobWin

Well while I was in the free spin mode I hit the free spins again 6 times and yes I said six times for a total of 700 FREE SPINS


Unbelievable! :notworthy Now THAT'S something! :) As impressive as the win total was, I'm VERY impressed by the amount of FREE SPINS that you managed to get. The most I've ever done, was about 150 on "Thunderstruck" and I recall 125 "Aztec Treasure" (if you could believe it).


The only question that begs to be asked, is why is there a cap on the win? I was unaware of such a thing. :confused: Regardless, great screenshot/excellent win "RobWin"! :thumbsup: That's a "Casinomeister.com" "HOF" type-of-a-story! :)


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Unbelievable! :notworthy Now THAT'S something! :) As impressive as the win total was, I'm VERY impressed by the amount of FREE SPINS that you managed to get. The most I've ever done, was about 150 on "Thunderstruck" and I recall 125 "Aztec Treasure" (if you could believe it).


The only question that begs to be asked, is why is there a cap on the win? I was unaware of such a thing. :confused: Regardless, great screenshot/excellent win "RobWin"! :thumbsup: That's a "Casinomeister.com" "HOF" type-of-a-story! :)


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Thanks Steed, I was also unaware of a max bonus feature on these games, kinda disappointed that I did not get to play my other 273 free spins off. I have not found anywhere in the game rules that states that the game will be stopped when you reach a certain win amount. :cool:

Maybe a Casinomeister trophy, like a case of good German Beer should be awarded each year for the forum member with the most free spins gained.....HEY Meister...;)
 
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Thanks Steed, I was also unaware of a max bonus feature on these games, kinda disappointed that I did not get to play my other 273 free spins off. I have not found anywhere in the game rules that states that the game will be stopped when you reach a certain win amount. :cool:


Well, I'm extremely happy for you because:

a) you have $4,000!

b) you have a great story to tell when talking about your online gaming experience


But for your sake, I think that sucks that there's a cap on "destiny" and for something that's supposed to random. Another 273 spins at $2.00, they're playing with your luck, and I don't care for that. Who's to say that you couldn't have had "FREE SPINS" for 4-5 hours, and walked away with $25,000? It's very anti-climatic that they'd implement something like that. Frankly, with 273 spins remaining, you very well could have strung together a bunch more "FREE SPINS", and loads of cash.


I'm happy for you, but I'm disappointed by any casino that would do such a thing. You deserve better than that, because stuff like that literally NEVER happens.


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To quote the last two words from this week's episode of Heroes,

Holy sh...

Absolutely incredible!!!!!!! :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Too bad you didn't hit something like that on an MG where you wouldn't have to worry about the cap.

johnsteed - here's that little nugget of a rule, nestled deep within the fine print:
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So the $0.10 per line x 40000 = $4000 but can you imagine what that would have been uncapped?? 5 digits easy, I imagine.

Nonetheless... congratulations RobWin on a win of 2,000x your bet size!!!!
 

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Well "SlotsJunkie", I did not know that one. :) Hahaha, I love how you highlighted the rules (must learn how to do it like that)!


Regardless, great stuff! :thumbsup:



RobWin

Maybe a Casinomeister trophy, like a case of good German Beer should be awarded each year for the forum member with the most free spins gained.....HEY Meister...


Novel idea! I suggest one beer per "FREE SPIN" gained. ;)



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For the record, every Real-Series slots game has this 40,000x clause. I presume it's to protect the underfunded majority of RTG operators, but the better ones should have the option to remove it if they wish to really stand apart from the others.

So the general rule of thumb is, if you are playing all available lines, you will never win more than 2000x your bet size, except at Fruit Frenzy, where you will never win more than 1600x your bet size.
 

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For the record, every Real-Series slots game has this 40,000x clause. I presume it's to protect the underfunded majority of RTG operators, but the better ones should have the option to remove it if they wish to really stand apart from the others.

So the general rule of thumb is, if you are playing all available lines, you will never win more than 2000x your bet size, except at Fruit Frenzy, where you will never win more than 1600x your bet size.

Thanks for all the great info SlotsJunkie..I appreciate you clarifying this for me. I didn't know there was a max on these games till you brought it to our attention.
 

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don't MG and Crypto video slots have a similar limit?
I don't think either of them do. Or if there are any, I don't think it's all of them like it is with RTG.

I'll check into it later - I'm up very late tonight... I am so going to oversleep tomorrow (more than usual, that is :D)... I have to get up in about 4.5 hours... :rolleyes:
 

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The amount was won from different spins. From the Terms and Conditions, I am led to believe that 40,000x applies to individual spins. Just because the free spins were generated from a feature do not lump them together as one single spin. If the free spins are regarded as paid spins, each spin should be capped at $4000 and if they are not regarded as paid spins, they shouldnt be capped at all since there is no mention of this in the Ts and Cs.
 
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Congrats on the win!!

I'm with Chuchu on this one.

It says PER PAID SPIN - now how can a FREE spin be a PAID spin?? And even if it is considered such, how can multiple free spins be considered as ONE paid spin?

I must say Im a bit gobsmacked by this - I think a lawyer would have some fun with those terms :D

Vewwy vewwy interwesting
 

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Outstanding Rob!!! Superb... :thumbsup:

I too would be devastated if it topped out with 273 spins to go!!!! That's an absolute nightmare!

I'd be interested to see if MG and Crypto do have this sort of thing too!

Seriously though, outstanding!!! :notworthy
 

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The amount was won from different spins. From the Terms and Conditions, I am led to believe that 40,000x applies to individual spins. Just because the free spins were generated from a feature do not lump them together as one single spin. If the free spins are regarded as paid spins, each spin should be capped at $4000 and if they are not regarded as paid spins, they shouldnt be capped at all since there is no mention of this in the Ts and Cs.

Even though it is not an MG slot, here is what I think is the reasoning behind the 40000 rule:

For example, MG do not include FREE SPINS as part of your PLAYCHECK as it is an added bonus feature to the original spin.

So theoretically, it is just 1 spin.

I have questioned this with a MG casino before.
 

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Cheekymonkey,

I understand what you are saying but the terms certainly did not account for this. In Robwin's case, I dont know what the actual payout would have been if there was no cap. However, if the slots were designed to pay out at say, 95%, then this cap would reduce this drastically if some players got all the spins and others got nothing. So RTG can now claim that although so many players have not got the free spins so regularly in the Real-Series Slots, the number of average spins is much higher but what they dont tell you is that the actual payouts dont correspond with that. If this is true, it's just a rotten shame.
 

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Awesome!!!

That is awesome. Yeah, Bodog is good with those free spins. That's how I won that $300, Mr Money kept retriggering. I was only betting a $1 too.

Good for you!!!
 

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I just sent Meister a post in his thread about being at the EIG conference asking him if he gets time to check with Bodog or RTG while he is there and ask them how come I got cut off with 273 free spins remaining. Maybe he can obtain more info on this senario.
 

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Wow this "40,000x line bet" rule is interesting... if you had been betting $2 on one line you could have potentially made $80,000! This means that on a slot with this limitation (and no bonus for max bet) the E.V. would always be best if you were only playing one line, no? On top of this the random jackpots payout to any size bet randomly, so the best bet on all RTG slots is 1 cent on 1 line! Zoozie help me out here...
 

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Wow this "40,000x line bet" rule is interesting... if you had been betting $2 on one line you could have potentially made $80,000! This means that on a slot with this limitation (and no bonus for max bet) the E.V. would always be best if you were only playing one line, no? On top of this the random jackpots payout to any size bet randomly, so the best bet on all RTG slots is 1 cent on 1 line! Zoozie help me out here...
I'm sure Zoozie will jump in here soon but in the meantime, here's my input:

If you are only playing one payline, you are seriously limiting your chances of winning anything other than scatter wins. You would probably never even come close to reaching the 40,000x limit if you did this.

Let's assume a $2 bet on payline #1 only, and try for the best possible scenario:

During your regular spins, you hit 5 scatters (we'll assume that at least one of the scatter symbols was a wild symbol, so that the prize is doubled). That's 200 x $2 = $400 to start. The reels respin and pay again, so that's another $400 = $800. And now you have 100 free spins with a 5x multiplier.

My own personal experience with this game is a far, far ways away from what RobWin experienced last night. I have found this game to be similar to Isis - very tight most of the time, but with enormous potential during the feature. I mention this here because I have played hundreds of consecutive spins at this game without getting 3 scatters, and right now you only have 100 spins to try to do so.

During your free spins, every time you get 3 or more scatters you receive an additional amount of free spins equal to the number of free spins you started with, in this case 100 free spins.

Here is what you would get for each possible scatter win:
2 scatters, no wild = $10
2 scatters, w/ wild = $20
3 scatters, no wild = $20 plus another 100 free spins
3 scatters, w/ wild = $40 plus another 100 free spins
4 scatters, no wild = $100 plus another 100 free spins
4 scatters, w/ wild = $200 plus another 100 free spins
5 scatters, no wild = $1,000 plus another 100 free spins
5 scatters, w/ wild = $2,000 plus another 100 free spins

Since you started out with $800 worth of wins from the trigger, you would need to accumulate another $79,200 to reach the cap. Getting close to that would be impossible with 2-scatter wins. You would need to hit 3 scatters 1,980 times (with wild) or 3,960 times (without wild); 4 scatters 396 times (with wild) or 792 times (without wild); or 5 scatters approximately 40 times (with wild) or approximately 80 times (without wild).

The best thing you could hope for is to get 5 of the teepee symbols (the highest paying symbol) lined up on the payline, where one of them is the wild symbol. This pays 5000x your line bet, which would take care of $50,000 of your $79,200 quota. Then you would be left with $29,200 worth of winnings to accumulate.

My opinion is that, while it would not be impossible to reach the 40K cap by playing just one payline, it would probably be very difficult and unlikely.

But then again, I would have said the same exact thing about RobWin's session before he started this thread...
 

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Thoughts about how "Maximum win pr paid spin is 40.000 times bet per line." affects 5-reel videoslots, especially payout%.


This actually turned out to be more interesting than I had expected.

RobWin (lucky bastard, gratz!) was betting 0.1$/line on 20 lines for a total bet-size of 2$. The maximum win according to the rule is then 0.1$*40000=4000$, and this was exactly what RobWin experienced. So lets take for granted the rule works as written, since it did apply. Notice that 'paid spin' means that the spin that triggers the feature is the orginal spin and all wins from the feature comes from spins that 'free' ie. not paid; are considered as wins for the orgininal spin. So basically I think this cap-rule is defined very accurate.

So if a casino want to cap a given win from a paid spin, is this a fair way to do it? (given we find it fair to cap it at all, but we do for now)
No! No! and No!

The flaw is that this makes payout% depend on the number of lines played! If RobWin instead had played only 10 lines but with 0.2$ bet/line, then the total bet would also be 2$, but now the cap would be be 0.2$*40000=8000$. So the payout% for the slot DECREASES the more lines you play. So except from 'Fruit Frenzy' I can now add another slot that the list where payout% depend on the number of lines played, and that is 'Rain Dance' of course. (For 5-reel slot the base-wins from the symbols on the reels is independant of the number of lines played, when you take away the feature). I was not aware payout% decreases with the numbers of lines play at all RTG slots, but it is negligible though, but of theoretical interest to me.

Should we worry about this and take this into account when playing RTG-slots?
Case 1) All slots except 'Rain Dance'
Basically you can just forget all about it. It is still true that whenever you increase the number of lines you also decrease the payout%, but the effect is truely negligible. I would estimate this to be less than 0.001% decrease/line. Given that the payout% between different slots differs as much as 1%, worry about that instead. If you play 20-lines on 'Cleopatra's Gold' which is a very high variance slots and you hit 5 scatters during the free spins, this win will be 1500 bet size, it will not take you over the 40000 times bet pr. line (will take you to 75% of it). So besides this extremely rare hit during the free spins you would also need to hit another very good win. So I estimate that payout% for 'Cleopatra's Gold' with or without rule only differs as much as 0.02%.

You would need to play 'Isis' (MG though, rule does not apply there) and 5 scatters during the free spins the reach the limit (180% of the limit). So if Isis was RTG slot with that rule, I would worry treat that as case 2) But as a mathematically mind I do worry since I do not like this clumsy asymmetric solution. Also it is sad that the winning screenshots thread only can have picure of wins 2000*(bet size) for RTG slot (when playing 20-lines) and nowhere near the 5000+ * (bet-size) wins a few people have posted with 'Isis'. I have personally gotten around 2000*bet size on Isis.


Case 2) 'Rain Dance'
This slot is unique since it can give you a crazy amount of free spins at a high multiplier *5. All it takes is you get the 5 scatters during normal play. Of course this is very hard, probably one of the harder slot to get 5 scatters on. But hitting 5 scatters happen at least. But when it happen at 'Rain Dance' you get 100 free spins at multiplier 5 and now the crazy part: Whenever you just get 3 scatters during those free spins, there will be another 100 free spins added. This is really an amazing reward. Chance for hitting 3 scatters is normally around 1 to 150 for these slots, so with just a little luck actually you will get a crazy number of respins as RobWin did. (I might post some math about this later since which is only of academic interest). And then it is not hard to reach the cap in this situation.
A more logical implementation would have been that retriggers only award the number of free spins that they did orginally, but I do like this extreme slot though as it is.

So when you do play Rain Dance , I would never play more than 5 lines.
(Generally I always only play very few lines to increase variance, but remember Fruit Frenzy must be played at maximum line always)

Show RobWin feel cheated over missing 217 free spins? (actually probabably a lot more due to the 100 added every time you retrigger)
No. If the slot was implemented more logical as described above, RobWin would not have ended up winning that much. But had it happened on any other slot , I would actually think it was unfair that feature ended too early. The problem with Rain Dance that if you start a little lucky it will just go on almost forever.


What can be blame RTG for this rule?
From my knowledge of all other RTG slots except Rain Dance, it would just happen so extremely rare, so I would not bitch about it. But also we are talking peanuts so I do not understand why RTG has this cap rule in the first place. But for 'Rain Dance' it does really make sense.

But I blame the stupidity of the person that made the rule this way. Instead he should have made it is this way to get the same effect(20-line version):

"Maximum win pr. paid spin is 2000 times bet size."

Then payout% for the slot would be independant of the number of lines played and I would be happy since the math would then be symmetric.

That the payout% depend on number of lines played from this rule is so small it does not matter at all really(except for Rain Dance), but theoretically there is a difference. However the difference from other factors as the jackpot win not depending on bet size (claimed by RTG) also changes payout% slightly dependant on #lines.

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I noticed recently in Vegas, notices stuck on the free spin slots detailing the maximum number of free spins that can be awarded. Also on other feature games maximums between 200,000 and 400,000 coins attainable in the bonus.

There was a scenario long ago on UK fruit machines, its not something that effects the new so called random machines. The feature was win spins, crazy streak or the like where the machine would go into a feature mode and continually drop in wins. The payout for that credit and its feature though is still limited to the Machines Jackpot, during the feature the game would take a credit and continue on giving wins sometimes many times the machines natural jackpot but never paying more than a single jackpot in one credit. In effect the feature game could use up 10 credits to complete. The other way of paying more than a jackpot was to offer a repeat chance on a win or feature if the win repeated it would cost you a credit and pay out again, although rare 3,4,5,6 repeats did happen.

Whilst I can see the logic behind limiting the combined value of the free spin payout to the machines natural Jackpot (whatever this may be 5 * wilds * bonus Multiplier)) I dont see why the machine cant take a credit and continue on with the spins.

assuming no limits on coins although it will never happen off course the true Jackpot would be 5 x wilds on every spin of the bonus game becuase this is the maximum amount of coins that could be won on a single paid for spin. Now, theres nothing to say you cant win 3, 4 or 5 jackpots in a row during normal play so if a credit was taken once a combined total of wins reached the jackpot value then wouldn't this technically even out the percentages becuase each combined jackpot effectively would have been won on its own spin.
 
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