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Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by cipher, Jan 28, 2005.

    Jan 28, 2005
  1. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    WATCH OUT FOR SPORTBET.COM AND ISLAND CASINO.COM

    As most everyone here is aware, I used to do a considerable amount of sports wagering and my interest in internet casinos was secondary to sports wagering. After about 3 years or so, I had a pretty nasty run-in with none other than Scores Sports Book and the matter of $10,000.00 in Blackjack winnings that they (SCORES) were refusing to pay based on their theory that a robot had been employed.

    Page 2, SCORES ended up paying the 10 large.

    Then came the Pirate deal, and the matter of 1.4 million dollars. All of us know the robot issues that came to the forefront there.

    Page 2, Pirate was able to finally able to realize the fruits of his labor. I cannot divulge the dollar amount that this matter settled for but let's just say it was a tidy little sum and that the DELANO casinos is no more and that the Keith is gone from the HAMPTON casino.

    Now weve got this SPORTBET.COM and ISLAND CASINO.COM group playing the same silly little games as SCORES did initially with the Hampton and Delano casinos to follow. It almost seems as though weve got to have a yearly episode like this in the industry, its almost like a yearly flu strain.

    This one is very serious, guys and gals, as this Sportbbet.com and Island Casino, along with their GREG ROLLINS wannabe JAKE SLATER, have been stiffing players on quite a regular basis, and Im not too keen on what might come about with more than a few players with the SUPERBOWL coming up within the next couple of weeks.

    The latest little number from these fine folks is where a player deposited $300.00 and parlayed that $300.00 into $11,700.00 with the help of a couple of Basketball parlays in the amount of $6,000.00. Then came the robot this and the robot that and some wild notion that the player had been playing Blackjack too fast????

    But to get a real flavor for these guys, all you need to do is go to their Rewards Page on their websites; its priceless! Where they ever came up with the term "OUR REWARDS" is far beyond my comprehension as it resembles more that of a paid advertisement page than anything else. The first thing that caught my eye was the INTERNET GAMING COMMISSION logo, and I thought what the heck, those guys went out of business years ago and during the time of me dust up with SCORES.

    Then there was the old thumbs-up logo from theprescription.com, and I wondered if maybe Shrink knew a little something about these guys that I didnt. So I went to theprescription.com to check it out, and just as I had thought, neither Sportbet.com, nor Islandcasino.com are anywhere to be found on the Prescriptions recommended list. In any event, I hope that everyone will stay far away from these folks, and, you know, it might not be a half bad idea to tell a few friends where you saw this article, as well, so they can tell a few friends to stay away from: You must register/login in order to see the link. and You must register/login in order to see the link. Have a good one.

    Cipher

    SEE ATTACHMENTS
     
  2. Jan 28, 2005
  3. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Secret
    Location:
    UK
    Good work Cipher. :thumbsup:

    Mitch
     
  4. Jan 28, 2005
  5. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Thanks Mitch!
     
  6. Feb 1, 2005
  7. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    We have been in contact with Island Casino.com regarding a complaint elsewhere here from a player (Eshee33) who has accused the manager, Jake Slater of confiscating his winnings for using a robot. One of the problems was that a portion of his not insubstantial winnings was derived from sports bets and should not therefore have been disallowed.

    Asked for a comment on this, Jake Slater told us that the casino did not permit robot play despite advances today like Viper, and that the software provider had concurred with him that robot play had taken place.

    However, the casino is also insisting that the player's past record with financial arrangements and multiple accounts justified disallowing all of his winnings, and apparently information has been supplied backing this allegation to Bill Dozer at SBR and to Ken Weitzner, The Shrink at The Rx. These journals have apparently been investigating Eshee33's complaints, but I don't know whether any findings have been published?

    The final par of the casino manager's response says: "Now, my contention is this: due to this clients past history with us, due to the fact that the funds originally deposited were never captured by our bank, and due to the fact that I continue to feel the client used a robot in our casino, this client's account remains closed and the funds frozen. However, I remain open to mediation by any and all forums who would like, as I am confident that when all is said and done, we will be proven in the right.

    "In answer to your question, Island Casino does not permit any type of automated assistance in our casino. It is so stated on our website, and has been since the inception of our casino rules and regulations.

    "Thanks again for coming directly to me. I appreciate it. If you should need anything at all, please let me know. I can be reached at 800-214-9666.

    Jake Slater
    General Manager
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    1-800-430-5896
     
  8. Feb 1, 2005
  9. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Jet:

    I know you've been at ICE so I'm not sure how dated this information might be. But I can tell you that every item that JAKE SLATER has brought up in this letter is absolute BS and has been disproven on every point a long time ago, in short and again JAKE there's nothing new here. PAY THE MONEY JAKE.

    What might be helpful is to refer all posters to the literally hundreds of complaints about not being paid by JAKE SLATER, SPORTSBET and ISLAND CASINO et. al., at places such as theprescription.com. I've attached a couple of the more priceless ones. Have a good one.
     
  10. Feb 1, 2005
  11. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    The email I quoted from was dated 26 January this year, Cipher.

    From what you say it sounds as if the Rx and SBR investigations referred to have actually been completed and found in favour of the player, is that correct?

    I need to be accurate in our reportage on both perspectives here, and even more importantly regarding the outcome of independent investigations.

    Are the findings from Weitzner and Bill Dozer posted anywhere?

    Eshee33, would you like to step in and comment here?
     
  12. Feb 1, 2005
  13. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Jet:

    I have no idea if the SHRINK has even been involved in this issue and the references that I made incident to The Prescription are incident to the many posts and numerous threads on the prescription and incident to SPORTBET and ISLAND CASINO as I exampled in the previous posts.

    I have talked with BILL DOZER from Sports Book Reviews and I think Mr. Dozer is getting every bit as tired as I am in chasing down these dead end or perhaps I should say "dead beat" reasons as to why JAKE SLATER is not paying the money.

    JAKE SLATER had every opportunity to discuss the matter with me as the representative of Eshee33 and you can be certain JET that everything has been documented to the MAX.

    This latest little number from JAKE is NOTHING MORE THAN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT on the part of JAKE SLATER to stay in business AT ALL COSTS for the SUPERBOWL every Bookie's dream day. JAKE SLATER knows that there are more than just a few people THAT ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE GAMES THAT JAKE SLATER IS PLAYING and those same people are not about to sit back and let him get away with it.

    Have a good one.
     
  14. Feb 1, 2005
  15. Petunia

    Petunia Dormant account

    **This lot sounds serious... Yet, i cannot help but notice that nothing is stated with regards to the findings. was it found in the players favour? Or are we still awaiting an outcome?**
     
  16. Feb 1, 2005
  17. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Eshee33 is in honest and capable hands if his case is being mediated by Cipher, who I wish the best of luck with this casino / sportsbook. We will be reporting the issue in due course once we can get a response from SBR and Rx.
     
  18. Feb 1, 2005
  19. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Petunia:

    To this point Petunia, I have no information whatsoever as to any findings by anyone. I knw that I'm involved in this case on a daily basis and the longer I'm involved in this case the more I see an absolute and deliberate pattern of stiffing players by JAKE SLATER.

    You're absolutely right Petunia, this is a very serious matter and that's exactly why I've gotten involved in it. Have a good one.
     
  20. Feb 1, 2005
  21. jmildstone

    jmildstone Dormant account

    Location:
    Vermont
    i never had a problem with sportbet before, it must be a rough football season
     
  22. Feb 2, 2005
  23. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Jmildstone.

    Count yourself amongst the luck ones. Here are a couple links that will give you a real good idea of what your dealing with whedn you're dealing with Jake Slater and the likes of SPORTBET.COM and ISLAND CASINO.COM.


    Have a good one.
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2005
  24. Feb 2, 2005
  25. jmildstone

    jmildstone Dormant account

    Location:
    Vermont
    contact Bill Dozer at the You must register/login in order to see the link. he is da man!!!, he will help get your $$ in no time.
     
  26. Feb 2, 2005
  27. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    I had a great conversation the other day and I agree he's got a lot on the ball. Have a good one.
     
  28. Feb 2, 2005
  29. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    We contacted Bill earlier today and now await his views and information on this case.
     
  30. Feb 2, 2005
  31. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    We've been in touch with SBR's Billdozer, who has thrown some independent light on this specific incident. Bill was involved in investigating the player and casino counter claims, and in summary this is what he found:

    1) The software provider said there was no conclusive proof of robot play by the complainant, and Bill therefore concluded that there was no justification for the winnings being witheld when this issue first surfaced.

    2) However, he feels that Island Casino does have some grounds to investigate certain other irregularities which apparently came to light during the intensive examination of records that attended this complaint.

    3) SBR and Bill are "...no longer assisting this player" due to some apparent inconsistencies with which they are not comfortable.

    The above is in no way an attack on the complainant's credibility, but a de facto summary from an independent source who has been involved in the dispute.
     
  32. Feb 2, 2005
  33. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Jet:

    I know that Bill Dozer has an account here at the Casinomeister. Is there some reason why Bill doesn't want to speak for himself on these issues?????

    "However, he feels that Island Casino does have some grounds to investigate certain other irregularities which apparently came to light during the intensive examination of records that attended this complaint."

    Jet do you think that might be just a little bit vague?????

    ....and then there's

    "The above is in no way an attack on the complainant's credibility, but a de facto summary from an independent source who has been involved in the dispute"

    So are we to assume that this statement is attributable to Bill Dozer rather than yourself??????

    Have a good one.
     
  34. Feb 2, 2005
  35. Petunia

    Petunia Dormant account

    ** hey Jetset, i don't question cipher's ability, and from what I gather, this outfit is about as cheesy as the name of it's rep? Cipher, i understand what you are saying, and it is a bloody sad day in hell when one has to try and out-smart a crook when you are the ONLY one abiding by the rules! I wish you best of fortune with this one... and to eshee. keep me posted will ya?! **
     
  36. Feb 2, 2005
  37. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    I'm not sure I care for the rather aggressive tone you are employing here, Cipher. I appreciate that you are trying to assist this player, and more power to you for doing so. If you look back at this thread you will note that I have been trying to get a balanced view of this specific back-and-forth, rather than the generalisations and track record attacks, however justified which have thus far characterised some of the posts by both player and casino.

    It was for that reason that I contacted Billdozer who I regard as an independent. He has been given access to information and has formed opinions (not judgements - independent opinions) I think the even-handed content of the summary I posted speaks to its impartiality. If you find my summary too vague and want more detail, then I'm sure you will be able to get it from Bill direct - he has been very open and straightforward with his responses to me.

    He sent me an email and I have summarised its content here, as we will be doing in our news reportage on the matter.

    I am quite puzzled by your focus on my closing sentence, where I tried to emphasise that the player is not being discredited here, these are independent opinions.
     
  38. Feb 2, 2005
  39. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Petunia, I would be the last one to doubt Cipher's integrity or mediation ability as my earlier posts have indicated. I'm not sure I follow the rest of your comments.
     

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