Was banning bonus buys the right decision?

satchnz

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I’ve never purchased a bonus buy so this change had no direct impact on me. I’ve now added an offshore crypto site to my regulars which does allow me to purchase bonuses, but I still don’t do it.

But I’m all for others having a choice.

Why couldn’t the UKGC have just allowed the other RG tools to police this? If say you had a £500 per month deposit limit, and you decided to piss it all away on one NLC bonus buy and lost, then that’s you for the month. Simples.

UKGC stands for incompetence.
 

CertaCas

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Absolutely YES. From a bankroll perspective you need like 3000x the bonus buy amount to comfortably be able to play them. Hardly anyone can afford that and those who can don’t need the money anyway. BB amount = stake, 100x @ 0,20 means your comfortable stake should be 20 per spin.

Right … case closed. And that’s often the lowest possible BB. Even at 10 most people couldn’t afford it.

Having said all that, I loved the €6 DoA 2 BBs 😂
 

playforcash

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You kind of answer the question yourself, any regulation that limits the players, so they go to unlicensed casinos like crypto casinos is bad. As it both removes the option to protect the players and create income from taxing the casino. So from my point of view, removing bonus buys, auto-spins, max bets, spin times, etc are all helping to drive players to unlicensed casinos where there's no protection
 

satchnz

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I would simplify my answer and say that any changes that make players go to the grey/black market are not the right decisions.
This sums it up perfectly. When you are choosing between a regulated casino and an offshore unregulated casino, and you choose the unregulated casino because you feel you’ll get a better experience, something is very wrong with the regulations.

I wonder if CM has ever tried to get a UKGC rep involved with the forums? Probably a solid 101% chance they would decline, but it might be worth giving them a chance?
 

Guntis

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Personally, I don't care because I never bought a bonus feature. When I play slots, I usually hope to get out 2-10x of my deposit, and if I deposit £1000 in one go and play at £3-10 a spin, I think there is a better chance to achieve something within this range than buying ten £1 features at £100 each. Sure there is also a chance to hit something decent, but I'm happy with less.

But as a whole, I wish the bonus buy thing had never been introduced, and everyone played the traditional way.
 

Itaghai

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I find in the UK now I can do over 200x in spins and not land a single bonus easily ripping a decent sized deposit
Last week I went to Fruit Party, I just wanted to get a bonus before going to bed and since I had a 800x base game on Gates of Olympus I was fine with grinding a little.

Played for 1 hour and 22 minutes, almost 500x down and didn't got a single bonus.

Last year, while we had the auto spin available in the UK, I did over 800 spins in sweet bonanza until I land a bonus that paid 7x.

Honestly I don't agree with the removal of bonus buys since there are slots that just become unplayable without them and you end up spending way more to get a bonus than just buying it directly.
 

perunamies

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Bonus buys are just bad for the player. Good for the casino though. Should've never been invented in the first place. Bonus buys pay like shit and the base game pays even shittier now. No sense for the player.
 

goatwack

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You could just as easily say gambling's bad for the player, as is watching £100 dwindle down to £0 without so much as a sliver of 'entertainment'.

I can't really recall ever feeling full of the joys of Spring when seeing yet another deposit turn to dust over an extended period of time, albeit with absolutely nothing of note happening, and bonuses just a pipe dream.

I don't know if Bonus Buys existed in any guise pre- BTG or White Rabbit, but given the game's great bonus feature, absolutely snooze-inducing base game and reasonable price, I know what I'd rather do - and it ain't watching yet another stoned caterpillar misplace the multiplier, or seeing another two blocks of rabbits, with the third conspicuous by its absence.

The implementation of these early BBs was perfectly fine in their default setting of £10, and more often than not would be commensurate with what you spent. Bonuses would often be in the £7-13 range anyway, so the notion that they were just 'wham bam thankyou m'am' money pits is absurd.

What designers are charging these days, however, is (yeah NLC, I'm looking at you).....and has actually managed to kill the slotting aspect of slots altogether - an impressive feat in itself!
 

ChopleyIOM

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NLC's latest game ROAD RAGE is available to play on their affiliate site. It might be more appropriate to call it PLAYER RAGE as after 1000 spins in demo play with very little happening and three of the basic features that paid poorly, I started dabbling with the top tier feature buy that costs 666x stake.

Worst return it managed from a 666x buy was 5.75x, so that was nice.
 

brianmon

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NLC's latest game ROAD RAGE is available to play on their affiliate site. It might be more appropriate to call it PLAYER RAGE as after 1000 spins in demo play with very little happening and three of the basic features that paid poorly, I started dabbling with the top tier feature buy that costs 666x stake.

Worst return it managed from a 666x buy was 5.75x, so that was nice.
That went live yesterday. So now's your chance to do it for real money :D
 

Jeroensgambling

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Bonus buys with gamble features where tilting as fuck. And they still are at times, where your presented a bonus game, you can pick 15 spins with a 1x multiplier. 10 with 5. 5 with 10 or a random mystery spin that could yield 15 / 10. The amount of times i was arsed by one after the other deposit landing a 5x1 is just mindblowing.

The country i play from still has BB up; why should i waiger through a 100 spin first with zero to none outcome to landing a bonus while i could buy one (and still potentially lose tho). The only reason i'm playing in a normal fashion way is to actually get a 6 scatter feature and clicking the mystery to have that 23 spins 13x multiplier a once and for all (and hopefully tap into the game max potential of 20000x).

However more and more i feel like all these games are designed to tilt you as soon as possible. You win 200 ~ 400 euro on this slot, your guaranteed to have the next few bonus buys on other games as a pure loss. If your lucky you end up with the same balance after a few buys and if it's your day it'll actually push through and grant you some better winnings.

You'd think that if they disable BB the trigger rate for bonus should be much better or faster. I watch some streamers like Rocknrollah from the UK and it's just sickening seeing how many spins this guy in some games is going through to get something going. Maybe the volume just drasticly lowered over time, whats the fun in having a autoplay button removed and the BB feature gone? Just saying. Most from the UK start seeking their guilty pleasure elsewhere.
 

bamberfishcake

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No.

Any control measures introduced to stifle the freedom of many for the benefit of the minority is bad. I know this because I saw it on Star Wars.
 

09237653

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I did use them sometimes when they were available but am also fine with them being gone, what sucks is the games being designed for feature buys and the base games being utter crap because of them (like 90% of pragmatic games)

'extra bet' is pretty annoying too just make the base stake 25p and make the features more likely to trigger dont intentionally gimp the games just to add 'extra bet'
 

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