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Vulcan Alert-All Star Slots

Discussion in 'America the Beautiful' started by dreamguardian1, Apr 24, 2013.

    Apr 24, 2013
  1. dreamguardian1

    dreamguardian1 Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

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    Ok, so yes I like this game. NO, I do not like the fact that it does not show the feature guarantee wheel until you are within a certain number of spins. I actually talked to a customer service rep who said that he cannot change the game policy on this.

    We as players should be able to see when a feature is going to possibly trigger or when we want to use it. The casino's push to keep us honest, so this is the same to them. We cannot see if it is recording our extra bets correctly, the only other way is to mark down each spin we do but then to prove it is another story it would be our word against theirs.

    Club World in my opinion needs to show the feature guarantee wheel at all times and pull the game until such time as its visible 100 percent of the time. Not going to put any more money into it until this happens.
     
  2. Apr 24, 2013
  3. XOXOXOXOXOX

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    i am not really sure but i think this is how the game was design by the software company and operators cant change it.

    Vulcan Alert-All Star Slots: vulc.jpg,Apr 24, 2013
     
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  4. Apr 24, 2013
  5. weesie

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    You mean it doesn't even SHOW it is a feature guarantee ??? That would tick me off. I thought it was one I played today, but, I checked and it was Ninja Star. Did terrible on it too.
     
  6. Apr 24, 2013
  7. lnspin

    lnspin Senior Member webmeister

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    What i find funny is that if you retrigger 3 times you get a 500x multiplier,, Whats the point when all rtg slots have a max win?
     
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  8. Apr 24, 2013
  9. Nifty29

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    How the slot operates and what it shows are completely out of the operator's control i.e. there is absolutely nothing Club World or any other casino can do about it.

    Games are designed a certain way for a purpose. The FG here is 26 up to 250 spins, which is different to other FGs...in some ways better, as you could hit it at 26 spins, or worse if you hit it as 250 spins. Also, the multipliers are better if the feature is triggered via the FG.

    If you read the game rules, it clearly states how the slot works. If you don't like how it works, then don't play it. There are plenty of other FG slots to play.

    The casino and the slot are NOT being "dishonest"....whatever that is supposed to mean. You're turning this into an "It's rigged I tells ya!" thread without any basis whatsoever. In fact, you are inferring that CW is somehow "cheating" you or "lying" to you, and that they might be deliberately not recording your bets properly. If I were CW, I would close your account permanently for questioning their integrity without even bothering to educate yourself regarding the facts.

    Looks like you won't be playing Vulcan anymore.

    Honestly, this complaint is ridiculous and ill-considered.

    @Weesie

    No, it DOES show the FG feature. It just doesn't show the number of spins tally, or how many to go.

    However, it DOES give you a "25 spins to go until feature" notification, so it does give you some idea where you're at in regards to hitting a feature.

    You see, this is the trouble when people post stuff like the OP has here....everyone gets confused and thinks the slot is "dodgy" etc, based solely on the word of someone who didn't even bother to look into the matter properly.
     
  10. Apr 24, 2013
  11. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    You are certainly entitled to voicing displeasure with the fact that this slot seemingly 'hides' the number of remaining spins for the FG but blaming CWC for this is a bit too much. I can only speculate that you are not aware of the fact that casinos have no control over the software. Voicing your opinion hoping for a change and not depositing till that happens is a surefire way for them to listen.

    CW, or any RTG casinos, for that matter, should convey the concerns of players back to RTG. If nothing is done to address players' concerns, many will start voting with their feet.
     
  12. Apr 24, 2013
  13. nisosbar

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    And this is why I don't play much RTG anymore - that is, in fact, the biggest reason. I do like their slots, and Sloto and Club World, but even if THEY wanted to remove that restriction, they couldn't. It's really too bad, because I would likely play RTG more.
     
  14. Apr 24, 2013
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Actually this is a point that merits discussion. The max win cap was obviously designed to protect underfunded casinos from losing too much when a hi-roller gets lucky and hits big. Dogboy's explanation(excuse) that it doesn't affect the overall rtp that much doesn't wash with me. For casinos with financial clout, RTG should allow them to lift the cap, akin to having different rtp settings at request, and this will allow the casinos to promote this. Hi-rollers will be more at ease playing freely with the full knowledge that if they get a handsome win they are really paid the correct amount. This will also carve a better name for RTG.
     
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  17. bsilva028

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    it does not show the FG in any casino not only on CW

    however i think RTG should correct this to show the FG 100% visible
     
  18. Apr 24, 2013
  19. Nifty29

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    RTG won't do it. The whole "mystery" of when it might hit is part of the design of the game. It is actually supposed to be different to the others. Given that it could trigger at 26 spins, it can actually be a BETTER bet than the fixed 150 spin FG games if you get a run of early triggers.

    Counting the spins won't really achieve much, as the max spins are 250 and I imagine it won't get right up to 250 every time anyway. A 25 spins to go warning is provided, so knowing how many spins you have played doesn't really mean anything.

    It really is a case of "If you don't like the slot - don't play it". Expecting RTG (or the casino in the OPs case) to make wholesale changes to the slot design because a few players don't like something about it is unreasonable, especially since there are dozens of other FG games to choose from.
     
  20. Apr 24, 2013
  21. mrmark21

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    Is that true? Might explain why I can't get above 100-400x at RTG.
     
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  23. nisosbar

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    Yes, it is true - wins are capped.

    It's complicated to explain, and I can't recall the precise parameters, but to attempt a layman's explanation:

    Simply put, take as an example the Count Dracula slot with the expanding wilds. If you get counts on all five reels, playing 25 lines (the maximum number of lines), then all counts expand making every symbol on every reel a wild symbol - BUT, you win an amount equal to ONLY as if you were playing 5 lines, NOT 25. Thus, the win which you would have pocketed on the remaining 20 lines is canceled. And someone here DID get the five counts, playing $0.25 ($0.01 per line). The win was capped at $500. So if it had not been capped, the win would have been $2,500.

    If I have that wrong, I welcome corrections, and will apologize, but that's basically how it goes on all their slots, though as I said, I can't recall the precise cap multiple. To be fair, I think there are a couple of their newer slots for which they've raised the multiplier, but it's still been artificially capped below a full pay for all lines played, IIRC.
     
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  25. mattsgame

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    RTG have a maximum win of 50,000x bet per line. It has been on all Real Series Slots since I can remember.
     
  26. Apr 24, 2013
  27. dreamguardian1

    dreamguardian1 Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

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    Ok, so say something DOES go wrong, which does happen with online casinos/ Club World took down the dog slot because it wasn't working correctly and it took customers informing them of it for them to realize it and they did not put it back up until it worked properly. Say you hit over 250 spins, you been counting them and it doesn't trigger? Where is your proof? Where is your screenshot? Customers should be able to see the progress they are making when not winning, plain and simple, whether or not its club world or the other casino's to me is irrelevant as they are hosting the game on their site. IF it was another site, I would say the exact same thing.

     
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  29. Nifty29

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    What if they DID show the progress meter and it was WRONG. How would you prove it? Its exactly the same thing.

    You're asking "how long is a piece of string".

    Honestly, if you're going to be concerned about stuff like this, you should seriously consider not playing online casinos....or any casino for that matter. Its really ridiculous. I'm sorry.

    Just don't play the slot. It ain't changing.
     
  30. Apr 24, 2013
  31. KasinoKing

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    The casino can check how many spins you've played using the play-logs.
    (I think some RTG casinos allow players access to these logs themselves from within the casino, don't they?)

    I 100% agree with Nifty - if you don't like it - don't play it!

    KK
     
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  33. KasinoKing

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    No, that's not the reason.
    The cap is 50,000 x your LINE bet, so if you're playing MAXIMUM lines, on a...

    20 line slot, the max is 2,500 x total bet
    25 line slot, the max is 2,000 x total bet
    50 line slot, the max is 1,000 x total bet
    88 line slot, the max is 568 x total bet

    KK
     
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  35. weesie

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    Ok, thank you!
     
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  37. DogBoy001

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    Just to be accurate, there are several games that have greater than this cap

    Vulcan is one, as stated in its rules: Maximum win per paid spin is 150,000 times bet per line.
    Year of Fortune is another, at 88,888x line bet.
    Progressives are also excluded from this rule.

    Wooooof
     
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  38. Apr 24, 2013
  39. lnspin

    lnspin Senior Member webmeister

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    See a lot of people mentioning Club World/club usa in this thread..

    Got to remember this is an RTG thing not a Club World issue.
     
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