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VP Question!

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by KasinoKing, May 28, 2005.

    May 28, 2005
  1. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Bexhill on sea, England
    As most of you know - I'm not a big Video Poker player.
    But thought I would have a little dabble at deuces wild today.
    On my very first hand I got a deuces RF! ;)

    But my question is on the below:
    The autohold is going for another wild RF, but my instincts say hold the 4oak.

    What would 'the experts' do?

    (Note: I haven't played out the hand yet!)
  2. May 28, 2005
  3. vgyhnji

    vgyhnji Experienced Member


    Don't play much VP but I believe the Wizard would put the 4oak above 4taRF, so my guess is you are correct. I would imagine the thinking is that the 4oak is a guaranteed payout v a possible RF.
  4. May 28, 2005
  5. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Web Dev.
    No i'd disagree. The 4-oak gives you 80 coins back but with 5 cards left in the pack to get the DRF, you have a 40% chance (over 4 hands) of getting an extra 180% winnings.

    Of course you have chances of 5-oaks off the 4-oak, but this is probably countered by potential 4oaks (aces) off the DRF chance and of course, more than 1 DRF coming up. Whats more, you're guaranteed at least 25% of the 4oak win by going for the DRF as you have 4 lots of 3oak already. If that all makese sense :)

    The DRF for me every time. Actually, the software gives you all the odds if you look at the stats anyway...I'm sure this would back me up!


  6. May 28, 2005
  7. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    You hold the 4 to a royal.

    Holding the 4 of a kind gives you a 4/47 chance of 5 of a kind, and a 43/47 chance of 5 of a kind.

    Hodling the 4 to a deuces royal gives you a 5/47 chance at the royal, 7/47 chance at a flush, a 5/47 chance at 4 of a kind, 9/47 at a straight, and a 21/47 chance at 3 of a kind.

    Expectation of holding 4oak = (4/47)*30+(43/47)*8 = 9.87

    Expecatation of going for the royal = (5/47)*90+(7/47)*4+(6/47)*8+(6/47)*4+(20/47)*2 = 12.42

    The wizard's guide for deuces wild assumes a full pay table. This pay table has a lower payout for the 4 of a kind, and a higher payout for the wild royal flush.
  8. May 28, 2005
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Well, I took the 'experts advice - and the result was not pretty! :(
    Thanks anyway guys! :thumbsup:

    Those of a nervous disposition may want to look away now! :D
  10. May 28, 2005
  11. CJack

    CJack Dormant account

    From Bob Dancer's WinPoker

    Holding the 4 cards to a wild royal - expected return per coin bet = 12.6809
    Holding the 4 OAK - the expected return per coin bet = 9.8703

    Game return for playing 2 coins = 98.18%
    Game return for playing 5 coins = 99.37%
  12. May 29, 2005
  13. vgyhnji

    vgyhnji Experienced Member

    Tough do-da KK, I guess the mathematicians would be right in the fullness of time, given the paytable and your ability to see this hand enough times to make it pay!

    There is an old adage 'take the money not the risk' that sometimes pays better in the short term.

    Meanwhile I'll stick to BJ!

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