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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Simmo!, May 31, 2004.

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    May 31, 2004
  1. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi all

    99.94% on Double Bonus VP at Cryptologic casinos and 99.54% on JoB at Microgaming...but aside from these two software providers, are there better odds to be had, or even any 100%+ optimum stragey VP games, at online casinos (preferably reputable!) ?

    Actually, this raises another question: do all casinos that use MG or Wagerlogic s/ware all offer the same VP paytables or are they at liberty to define their own?

    Its a mugs game eh!


    Cheers

    Simmo
     
  2. May 31, 2004
  3. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

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    They cannot change the paytable too drastically otherwise they will either
    lose too much or nobody would play those games with lousy paytables.
    However they can and often do modify some of the payouts by shifting
    a dollar here and a dollar there (or $5 if you play 5 coins). It is common to
    see a 4-of-a-kind, fullhouse etc medium range winners being paid a dollar
    less than optimal ($5 less if you play 5 coins). That is why there is
    the so-called for example 9/6 and 8/5 Jacks or Better variants.

    Someone corrects me if I am wrong!
     
  4. May 31, 2004
  5. hhcfreebie

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    Wager logic and MG cannot change pay table by the casinos operators. It seems they can't change the payout of slots neither.
    RTG can change their pay table any way they like. They can also change the payout of their slots.
    Sci-fi and Breakaway both offer 100%+ payout on some of their VP games, up to 10 cents level. They pay in 3 days.
     
  6. May 31, 2004
  7. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Interesting - thanks hhc. I'd come across sci-fi but the nam eput me off - sounded a bit dubious :) I just found out RTG casinos can change theirs but we all know you take a gamble (sic) on some of these.

    Rgds

    Simmo
     
  8. Jun 1, 2004
  9. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Check double double jackpot at RTG casinos, I think that one runs just over 100% at some of them. I was playing this last nite and ran the analysis and I think it was over 100%.
     
  10. Jun 1, 2004
  11. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

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    Their double bonus poker (10/7) do pay 100.17%, up to 10 cents level. I prefer their deuces wild, its variance is lower and pay better (100.76%).
    To be honest, I hate variance. The lower the variance the better for me. If there is a game offer 100.01% payout with zero variance, I'd quite my job and play it day and night! :D
    Sometimes, progressive video poker will have over 100% payout when the jackpot is high enough. I always check the slotchart before I play, here is the link:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  12. Jun 2, 2004
  13. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

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    Is that site paid for by GlobalPlayer? Why are they on top of everyone else
    on almost everything?
     
  14. Jun 2, 2004
  15. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah but thats an interesting site nonetheless - the constantly updating page is a nice touch! Thanks hhc. jpm: i have a couple of RTG casinos here (Cirrus and Goldcircle) but the stats on their VP paytables always seem to be around 98.5% tops.

    But Double Double Bonus Poker sounds like fun :) And the old 100-hand thing looks amusing too...might have to give that a bash at 1 pence a hit!

    Anyone come across Triple Bonus yet?
     
  16. Jun 2, 2004
  17. 9wishes

    9wishes Dormant account

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    Pickem has a simple to learn strategy (I have Jean Scott's Frugal VP program, it's great!). At full pay it's 99.99%. I also ran the Joker Poker paytable through the software and it came out positive (over 100%), but that sequential royal may have something to do with it, plus not all places pay 20,000 for the SR, at iNetBet, on single line it's 50,000 for instance, so math wizards, do your thing. I find that the 100 for 4 of a kind makes this a more often than not profitable game for me. You won't find that in Vegas with 7/5. Really spoiled me for Joker's Wild in Vegas, most pay 85 for 4oak. Also, watch for Pickem paytables to be altered to short pay it. Full pay would be 6000-1199-600-90-75-55-25-15-10. Common alterations I've seen are the 90 to 75 and or the 55 to 50. Also a tough game to find in Vegas at full pay now.
     
  18. Jun 2, 2004
  19. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    I prefer the 100 hand versions for a penny at full bet. Its quite fun. And I was playing double double jackpot the other nite when I was dealt a full house, aces full of queens. At first blush you think, hold that hand and take the quick 4500 coin payout, but I ran it past Bob Dancer's Winpoker and it said to toss the queens and go after the 4 aces which pay big $$. Well he was right, I did that and ended up with a payout over 12000 coins! Hit something like 6x4aces and a couple of 4 aces with JQK for 1750 coins. Be sure you know the right strategy, or have a reference handy, when playing a game like this. It can be tricky!
     
  20. Jun 2, 2004
  21. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    12000 - nice :) Ah yes, more than familiar with the double bonus strategy and ditching the pair against Aces. Doesnt quite hold on 2/3/4 in normal DB VP but may sqeak it at 100 hand DDB VP - need to check.

    Oh and iNetbet is 2000 for the AAAA+ combo by the way :thumbsup:
     
  22. Jun 3, 2004
  23. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    2000? Wow, I'm going to check that out. Thanks! Do they let you double up?
     
  24. Jun 3, 2004
  25. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Ah no i dont think so, not in Multi mode wher ethe 2k is jpm.
     
  26. Jun 5, 2004
  27. bradleyt

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    I was dealt 4 aces on a 50 play penny machine in vegas 3 weeks ago. 800 coins per game for a total of 40,000 coin ($400) payout :)
     
  28. Jun 9, 2004
  29. BlackjackInfo

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    Nope, that site is my work. Global Player is frequently near the top of the list because they have a lot of progressives, so it is almost inevitable that they'll have a few in the top spots based on theoretical return.

    The one item that is unusual is the #1 ranking for their Sevens Wild game among all progressives. Those rankings aren't based on theoretical return, because that information isn't available for slots. Instead, the site ranks games according to how high they are compared to their average value when hit. The Sevens Wild game at GP hit only once since tracking began just over a year ago. It hit pretty low at $2274, so it's getting an artificially inflated SlotCharts score at the moment. In fact, I'm considering tweaking the rules and requiring a game to hit twice before it can be ranked.
     
  30. Jun 10, 2004
  31. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

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    Are you really the webmaster of that site? Or you own that site?

    I have a feeling that your score system on the various progressive games are
    not really that accurate. No I am not saying it isn't a good baseline for judging amongst the various games. It is just that for example Microgaming is one of the largest software supplier, therefore more people will play their games. As a result their jackpots got hit more often just purely because more people play them. Their score will therefore almost always not near the top.
    I say this because I saw that for example CashSplash got hit 2 times in
    3 days.

    So may be your score should be adjusted by the number of casinos offering that particular progressive game or even the approximate no. of people who play those games? Probably too hard to do in practice?
    Oh here is another thought, may be the score should be adjusted by the no. of days per month or per year that each jackpot got hit?

    Oh well just my 2 cents!
     
  32. Jun 10, 2004
  33. hhcfreebie

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    If the jackpot has only been hit 2-3 times, it's very easy to have a high score.
    I think a more resonable approach is to calculate the standard deviation of each jackpot, then use the STD to estimate how likely the current jackpot is. That way the probability of each jackpot is not related to number of times it has been hit. Even a popular jackpot which has been hit daily would have a good chance to be on top of the chart.
    The problem is for those jackpots that has been hit less than 3 times. Well, if people don't play these slots much, I don't think they would care if these slots are not listed.
     
  34. Jun 10, 2004
  35. spearmaster

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    He is the webmaster/owner of that site and has put a lot of work into it. The SlotCharts score simply provides a number which indicates that jackpot's relation to its historical high - according to the history that is in their database. It has nothing to do with frequency, popularity, etc.

    Compare that with my site (awesomejackpots.com) which posts current top 5 according to actual value. In the end it depends on what you are looking for - SlotCharts is particularly useful for people looking for value in a jackpot, historical trends, etc. Awesome Jackpots provides information such as return on investment.

    As for calculating likelihood... ummm... technically that's impossible LOL. AJ does have tools (for members, and signup is free) which do time of day and day of week analysis... and more to come... but it would be a bit presumptive to tell you that CashSplash is most likely to be hit at 3 am EST on February 29th at a value of $77,777.77 by a nomad in Siberia.

    Better we webmasters just give you the tools and let you come to your own conclusions - both sites do that pretty well if you ask me, though in different manners. But SlotCharts is the first and still the most useful in my opinion.
     

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