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Visa to no longer allow debit card trx to online casinos

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by buck, Mar 29, 2005.

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    Mar 29, 2005
  1. buck

    buck Experienced Member

    Location:
    Midwest USA
    Hi,

    Probably only pertains to U.S. residents, but, I received notice yesterday that Visa was not going to allow transactions including debit cards as of March 31. Good bye to prepaid cards etc. used to fund our vices. I received notice from First Internet Bank it looks to cover everthing.

    Sometimes my Neteller gets low and had been using such, but not any more.
    Not sure if Clicktopay or Neteller are be banned.





    Buck
     
  2. Mar 29, 2005
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I doubt the check based ones such as neteller and others will quit doing casino transactions....I'll have to look for a url regarding this, as I haven't gotten a letter yet, but my bank's just a small credit unlion.



    edit: err, banned? how do you mean? Banks stopping neteller transactions? That'd be up to the individual banks, not uniform such as visa/mastercard...
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2005
  4. Mar 29, 2005
  5. buck

    buck Experienced Member

    Location:
    Midwest USA
    Visa

    My reference to neteller and clicktopay was if Visa will allow funding to those sites.

    Yes I know you can go through your regular checking account, but that creates an audit trail that I would prefer not to have.


    Buck
     
  6. Mar 29, 2005
  7. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    Ahhhh, ok.

    Can always use PPATM!!! :eek2:
     
  8. Mar 30, 2005
  9. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    Location:
    LA, California

    Wouldn't a Visa debit charge leave an audit trail as well?

    I use Neteller through my checking, and it is reflected on my monthlies as a Neteller transaction. I would assume that a Visa debit transaction would reflect the same thing.
     
  10. Mar 30, 2005
  11. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    Location:
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    It depends on the processor they use. Some actually show that it's from a casino in your statement. I'd rather use Neteller.

    Whether or not you use Neteller, western union, debit/credit card, etc etc, you're going to have a paper trail.
     
  12. Apr 1, 2005
  13. jmildstone

    jmildstone Dormant account

    Location:
    Vermont
    If you dont want to leave trails send cash in an envelope ;), neteller is public-traded company
     
  14. Apr 1, 2005
  15. buck

    buck Experienced Member

    Location:
    Midwest USA
    Audit Trails

    Non U.S. trails are much better than domestic bank audit trails. Neteller is not obligated to provide the info that US banks would. IRS would ask for bank records let us see them get to Neteller records.

    As soon as Neteller starts accepting ATM deposits we will have funding via cash in envelopes. I do pull my money out that way.

    However international bank laws are getting tougher.

    Plus I don't have to to explain to my wife the cash that flows to and from my Neteller account, mid 6 digits in a year. Maybe I can get it flowing out at that rate some day. (doubt it though)

    Buck
     
  16. Apr 1, 2005
  17. Chill

    Chill Dormant account

    Location:
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    Did anyone say "land of the free and brave", I would soon strike the first one ;)
     
  18. Apr 2, 2005
  19. rez

    rez Dormant account

    Location:
    United States
    Buck,

    From my understanding, the IRS would not ask Neteller to produce records of your account activities, they would order you to provide these documents to them.
     
  20. Apr 2, 2005
  21. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    I've been debating on whether or not to reply to this paragraph, and decided I will. Only take this as insight on your situation. I'm not telling you what to do....take it as you wish.

    But look at the moral issue here. Deception is the worst thing that can happen to a marriage.
     
  22. Apr 3, 2005
  23. buck

    buck Experienced Member

    Location:
    Midwest USA
    But look at the moral issue here. Deception is the worst thing that can happen to a marriage.[/QUOTE]

    Some would say gambling itself is immoral.

    Buck
     
  24. May 20, 2005
  25. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    Are you sure this letter wasn't just saying your bank isn't going to allow the visa transactions for gaming? I just used my visa debit card last week without any problem.
     
  26. Mar 29, 2006
  27. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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  28. Mar 29, 2006
  29. buck

    buck Experienced Member

    Location:
    Midwest USA
    Visa Debit cards

    Only works for non US based customers
     
  30. Mar 29, 2006
  31. texas hooters

    texas hooters Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Oil and Gas
    Location:
    Texas
    For the first time in 3 years my prepaid Netspend card isn't working at any MG casino. I was afraid this might be the problem ! :eek:
     
  32. Mar 29, 2006
  33. texas hooters

    texas hooters Dormant account

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Texas

    PPATM has become useless IMO. There are very few casinos that even use this service any longer and I can now understand why. They no longer have an ATM service and if you happen to have any money in your account it takes forever for them to send you a check. If and when I finally get the check from them I plan to close my account with PPATM. :mad:
     
  34. Mar 29, 2006
  35. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
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    Location:
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    When making a deposit via a CC or debit Visa/MasterCard there is a universal generic four digit code (MCC) that the merchant sends which identifies the type of business it conducts.

    In the case of online gambling the Merchant Category Code is 7995:

    Category: Entertainment
    Description: Betting

    This affects US players as not only will casinos, sports book, bingo and other gambling sites be a no go zone for your CC or debit card, but it will also prevent you using them at Web Wallets ect ect ect.

    Some gambling venues may risk running the gauntlet, however, if caught they will be heavily fined or their Visa/MasterCard merchant account is pulled.

    This explains why some of those Russian casinos and others are still able to process transaction via Pay Pal and your CC. They declare a fraudulent MCC.

    Not sure how or if this affect Diners Club or American express but at a guess; and in the case of US players, I'd say it would.

    The alternatives for now are Bank Wires to Neteller or using ECO cash which accepts WU and Money Gram.

    However, knowing the "industry" I'm sure they are working away as we speak on alternative methods to circumnavigate this issue for US players.
     
  36. Mar 29, 2006
  37. pacers31

    pacers31 Banned Used - Repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    It's true, I have had every deposit I have attempted rejected lately with my visa debit/ATM card. Microgaming as well. It would appear that the do gooders in the USA have won the battle without even having to settle the legality issue of online gaming. The only place I am able to deposit now is at Bodog with their instant check deposit feature. (creates a debit right out of the checking account). Hate to sound defeatist, but the good times in the USA are over. They got us.
     
  38. Mar 29, 2006
  39. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Location:
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    Amex does not allow the use of Amex cards for online gambling.
     
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